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    Priority Test: Health Care or Prisons?

    By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
    Published: August 19, 2009
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    At a time when we Americans may abandon health care reform because it supposedly is “too expensive,” how is it that we can afford to imprison people like Curtis Wilkerson?

    Mr. Wilkerson is serving a life sentence in California — for stealing a $2.50 pair of socks. As The Economist noted recently, he already had two offenses on his record (both for abetting robbery at age 19), and so the “three strikes” law resulted in a life sentence.

    This is unjust, of course. But considering that California spends almost $49,000 annually per prison inmate, it’s also an extraordinary waste of money.

    Astonishingly, many politicians seem to think that we should lead the world in prisons, not in health care or education. The United States is anomalous among industrialized countries in the high proportion of people we incarcerate; likewise, we stand out in the high proportion of people who have no medical care — and partly as a result, our health care outcomes such as life expectancy and infant mortality are unusually poor.

    It’s time for a fundamental re-evaluation of the criminal justice system, as legislation sponsored by Senator Jim Webb has called for, so that we’re no longer squandering money that would be far better spent on education or health. Consider a few facts:

    The United States incarcerates people at nearly five times the world average. Of those sentenced to state prisons, 82 percent were convicted of nonviolent crimes, according to one study.

    California spends $216,000 annually on each inmate in the juvenile justice system. In contrast, it spends only $8,000 on each child attending the troubled Oakland public school system, according to the Urban Strategies Council.

    For most of American history, we had incarceration rates similar to those in other countries. Then with the “war on drugs” and the focus on law and order in the 1970s, incarceration rates soared.

    One in 10 black men ages 25 to 29 were imprisoned last year, partly because possession of crack cocaine (disproportionately used in black communities) draws sentences equivalent to having 100 times as much powder cocaine. Black men in the United States have a 32 percent chance of serving time in prison at some point in their lives, according to the Sentencing Project.

    Look, there’s no doubt that many people in prison are cold-blooded monsters who deserve to be there. But over all, in a time of limited resources, we’re over-investing in prisons and under-investing in schools.

    Indeed, education spending may reduce the need for incarceration. The evidence on this isn’t conclusive, but it’s noteworthy that graduates of the Perry Preschool program in Michigan, an intensive effort for disadvantaged children in the 1960s, were some 40 percent less likely to be arrested than those in a control group.

    Above all, it’s time for a rethink of our drug policy. The point is not to surrender to narcotics, but to learn from our approach to both tobacco and alcohol. Over time, we have developed public health strategies that have been quite successful in reducing the harm from smoking and drinking.

    If we want to try a public health approach to drugs, we could learn from Portugal. In 2001, it decriminalized the possession of all drugs for personal use. Ordinary drug users can still be required to participate in a treatment program, but they are no longer dispatched to jail.
    “Decriminalization has had no adverse effect on drug usage rates in Portugal,” notes a report this year from the Cato Institute. It notes that drug use appears to be lower in Portugal than in most other European countries, and that Portuguese public opinion is strongly behind this approach.

    A new United Nations study, World Drug Report 2009, commends the Portuguese experiment and urges countries to continue to pursue traffickers while largely avoiding imprisoning users. Instead, it suggests that users, particularly addicts, should get treatment.

    Senator Webb has introduced legislation that would create a national commission to investigate criminal justice issues — for such a commission may be the best way to depoliticize the issue and give feckless politicians the cover they need to institute changes.

    “There are only two possibilities here,” Mr. Webb said in introducing his bill, noting that America imprisons so many more people than other countries. “Either we have the most evil people on earth living in the United States, or we are doing something dramatically wrong in terms of how we approach the issue of criminal justice.”

    Opponents of universal health care and early childhood education say we can’t afford them. Granted, deficits are a real constraint and we can’t do everything, and prison reform won’t come near to fully financing health care reform. Still, would we rather use scarce resources to educate children and heal the sick, or to imprison people because they used drugs or stole a pair of socks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BugginOut
    how is it that we can afford to imprison people like Curtis Wilkerson?
    Or invade sovereign states?

    Because they're ignorant, maybe?

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    If we want to try a public health approach to drugs, we could learn from Portugal. In 2001, it decriminalized the possession of all drugs for personal use.
    we did that in the 70's i think..

    and this guy NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF is a US reporter for the NY Times??

    ignorant sure fits here..

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    I think that life terms should be stopped, does no good to put a man in prison for life as they are not usually kept over 10 years anyway and to do actual life is cost prohibitive.
    There should be no longer than 5 years in prison and anything over that should be death within 90 days of entering prison.
    That would stop a lot of this shit.

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    Somewhere along the line US internal & foreign policy lost the plot...

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    outsourcing Mexican Prisoners

    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    I think that life terms should be stopped, does no good to put a man in prison for life as they are not usually kept over 10 years anyway and to do actual life is cost prohibitive.
    There should be no longer than 5 years in prison and anything over that should be death within 90 days of entering prison.
    That would stop a lot of this shit.
    I don't understand why we are warehousing illegals from Mexico. We should pay Mexico to keep them in prison there or let them out. Cost would be 1/10 of what it would cost here. Perhaps they might take their crime a bit more serously if they knew that their 5 years would be spent in a Mexican prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtone9317
    I don't understand why we are warehousing illegals from Mexico. We should pay Mexico to keep them in prison there or let them out.
    That would be the same as making that deal with Thailand, they would turn em loose and steal the money thru graft.
    What should be done is deport them and if they return and are caught inside the US again should be immediate execution.
    To god damn much mollycoddling of criminals.

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    nothing more to be said....

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    We do statistics differently??
    Like how?

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    Whats more, not satisfied with incarcerating record numbers of its own citizens, the US actively imports random people from around the world purely for the purpose of placing in jail. People such as the Birmingham 3 and, more recently, Gary McKinnen.

    Completely mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passengers View Post
    Whats more, not satisfied with incarcerating record numbers of its own citizens, the US actively imports random people from around the world purely for the purpose of placing in jail. People such as the Birmingham 3 and, more recently, Gary McKinnen.

    Completely mad.
    Care to give details on these prisoners?

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    Shoot the prisoners dead and use the savings to buy more bombers and fighters.

    Britain should be the next target. Not because they have anything of worthwhile, just to shut the whiny azzholes up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by passengers View Post
    Whats more, not satisfied with incarcerating record numbers of its own citizens, the US actively imports random people from around the world purely for the purpose of placing in jail. People such as the Birmingham 3 and, more recently, Gary McKinnen.

    Completely mad.
    Care to give details on these prisoners?
    The fog lifts over RBS's inaction on NatWest Three - Telegraph

    NICK CLEGG: If they drag McKinnon to America, he will never come back | Mail Online

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    ^ Thank you. I thought it was the NatWest boys.

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    ^Yes, the Kafka-like vision of lasooing ne'er do wells from around the globe that Howard Marks wrote so eloquently about.

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