What the fock's USrael on about?

**Storekeeper** · 30-08-2006, 09:08 AM

9/11 happened for the same reason Pearl Harbor happened ... we let our guard down.

Other than WWII it seems many Americans don't have the stomach to go on the offensive.

Sorry to all the commies but you can't just sue your way out of this one. You gotta either kill the terrorists ... or catch them to try them.

Hooyah ... to the blame America first crowd.

**ChiangMai noon** · 30-08-2006, 09:10 AM

9/11 happened for the same reason Pearl Harbor happened ... we let our guard down.

Almost certainly deliberately.

**lom** · 30-08-2006, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

9/11 happened for the same reason Pearl Harbor happened ... we let our guard down.

With the right behaviour, you don't need to have the guard up.

**KID** · 30-08-2006, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by lom

KID, you are just another American who can't figure why 9/11 happened.

oh I know WHY, because the Muslim's extremist's believe that if you are not of their religion you should be killed. the Koran plainly states THAT

they also believe that we support Israel to much--possibly so

what gets me is that the Muslims believe that AMERICA is against them. if this is true then why did we send AMERICAN boy's to die in Bosnia to save Muslim lives???

if this is true, why have we not rounded the Muslim's that are here in America up and deported them or killed them????

the Muslims are not going to stop until they can control the world and that is a fact coz that is what the KORAN tells them to do !!!

it is the Muslims that can not live side by side with other religions, that should be VERY VERY obvious to you by now

**lom** · 30-08-2006, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

ou gotta either kill the terrorists ... or catch them to try them.

What about stop producing terrorists ?

**Storekeeper** · 30-08-2006, 10:09 AM

The Muslim extremist don't hate America any more than they do any country with Western ways and ideology. The USA is just the scapegoat.

The terrorists ... Muslim extremists ... represent a small percentage of the Muslim population.

Only liberals try to justify why minority rule should prevail. FLMAO.

**Whiteshiva** · 30-08-2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by KID

it is the Muslims that can not live side by side with other religions, that should be VERY VERY obvious to you by now

And how many Muslim countries have you lived and worked in then Kiddo?

I thought so.....

**Storekeeper** · 30-08-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by KID

it is the Muslims that can not live side by side with other religions, that should be VERY VERY obvious to you by now

And how many Muslim countries have you lived and worked in then Kiddo?

I thought so.....

I've worked with many Muslims in the US Navy during my career in the military. And had great relationships with them. One guy recently retired and went back to live in Jordan. I have two working with me here. One who has been in the Navy for about 22 years and was raised in Yemen before emigrating to Youngstown, Ohio as a teenager. Great guy. Enlisted. Currently working on his PhD. Another guy is from one of the Muslim countries in Africa. He's our current Sailor of the Year. Excpetionally bright ... made E-6 in an unheard of 5 years flat.

**KID** · 30-08-2006, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by KID

it is the Muslims that can not live side by side with other religions, that should be VERY VERY obvious to you by now

And how many Muslim countries have you lived and worked in then Kiddo?

I thought so.....

Plenty of them here in the states, and i don't need to live in a country full of Muslims to see results. look at what happened to the Christians in Lebanon after the the Israeli pulled out the first time.

**HermantheGerman** · 30-08-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by surasak

And it's not Mr. Google. I happen to be familiar with Mandarin.

For those with a little investigative skill you can see how many songs are in this directory

Great!
And now you know where the word "Middle Country" originated from.

You should see my list of Thai CD's

My Boss used to be chinese, my children have a bit of chinese in them (grandma side). Can I consider myself a chines expert now?

**Whiteshiva** · 30-08-2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by KID

it is the Muslims that can not live side by side with other religions, that should be VERY VERY obvious to you by now

And how many Muslim countries have you lived and worked in then Kiddo?

I thought so.....

I've worked with many Muslims in the US Navy during my career in the military. And had great relationships with them. One guy recently retired and went back to live in Jordan. I have two working with me here. One who has been in the Navy for about 22 years and was raised in Yemen before emigrating to Youngstown, Ohio as a teenager. Great guy. Enlisted. Currently working on his PhD. Another guy is from one of the Muslim countries in Africa. He's our current Sailor of the Year. Excpetionally bright ... made E-6 in an unheard of 5 years flat.

Food for thought, Kiddo? Just for your info - SK and I are normally at each others throats when it comes to issues like US policy and the war on terrorism, but here we are in complete agreement.

**Boon Mee** · 30-08-2006, 01:14 PM

Well, I too have worked with heaps of Muslims in my time throughout the ME and never had a spot of trouble. This was before 9/11 though so it's probably tougher now for a farang to get by in some places.

Worked with a gang of Phillipinos once too that had one, just one Muslim in it from Zamboanga - he was roundly hated and distrusted by the rest just because he was Muslim.
Go figure...

**Storekeeper** · 30-08-2006, 01:37 PM

Come on fellas ... I'm on record as clearly stating the only group of people I clearly have a negative attitude about as a whole are South Koreans.

**HermantheGerman** · 30-08-2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

ou gotta either kill the terrorists ... or catch them to try them.

What about stop producing terrorists ?

According to the World Bank every 5 Madrassa (Islamic School) has military training included. I'am sure some people will say that this is all the U.S. and Israel fault.

Wake Up!!!

http://http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages...madrassas.html

**Whiteshiva** · 30-08-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

ou gotta either kill the terrorists ... or catch them to try them.

What about stop producing terrorists ?

According to the World Bank every 5 Madrassa (Islamic School) has military training included. I'am sure some people will say that this is all the U.S. and Israel fault.

Wake Up!!!

http://http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages...madrassas.html

Where does the money to run these military training "madrassas" come from. Follow the money trail, and wake up!

**man with no head** · 30-08-2006, 02:58 PM

It leads to American gas pumps, that's what.

**Mhz** · 30-08-2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Hermanthe Germ

There is no way that Islam can reform itself and remain Islam, no way it can ever be made compatible with pluralism, free speech, critical thought and democracy. Anyone convinced they already possess the truth have no need for such things. Although Muslims resident in non-Muslim countries clamour for every kind of indulgence for their own beliefs and customs, there can be no doubt that given any kind of power they would impose their own beliefs and eliminate all difference

How many times did you read and understand the whole meaning of the Quran??What makes you think that Islam needs reform??

How many Christians are being forced to convert to Islam in Muslim countries??

Originally Posted by HermantheGerm

You keep on saying that jews are the chosen people. When I look at how many great jews there are in history compared to muslims, then I think you have a point.

Why would I ever say Jews are the chosen people?? The Jews say and think they are the chosen people and they are purer than all others.

**HermantheGerman** · 30-08-2006, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by surasak

It leads to American gas pumps, that's what.

Stop driving your car and don't you dare taking a plane.

**HermantheGerman** · 30-08-2006, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva;163828

[QUOTE

Where does the money to run these military training "madrassas" come from. Follow the money trail, and wake up

Yeah Right!
Bin Laden is made in the U.S.
The U.S. have never landed on the Moon.
No planes flew up into the WTC.
The world is flat not round.
Aids was invented from the U.S.

Wake up! Aaaahhhhhhh.... forget it....go back to sleep!

**man with no head** · 30-08-2006, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by surasak

It leads to American gas pumps, that's what.

Stop driving your car and don't you dare taking a plane.

Believe it or not, per passenger, per mile an airplane is more fuel efficient than most cars sold in the United States (for example, a 747-400 loaded averages about 50 miles per gallon per passenger).

And my car gets about 50+ miles per gallon, thank you very much.

It's the assholes with the 5-10 miles per gallon SUVs and large trucks that use them to go buy cigarettes that are the national security threat.

And, the truth is, we have given Arab countries trillions of dollars through our purchase of oil. A direct transfer of wealth that adds to the trade deficit.

So, you wonder where the terror financing comes from? Joe Consumer.

**Boon Mee** · 30-08-2006, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Come on fellas ... I'm on record as clearly stating the only group of people I clearly have a negative attitude about as a whole are South Koreans.

South Koreans?
Why forever for?

**HermantheGerman** · 30-08-2006, 05:58 PM

[quote=Mhz;163850
[QUOTE]

How many times did you read and understand the whole meaning of the Quran??

I leave that up to the experts! Does anybody understand the Koran? How many muslims missunderstand the Koran? Most muslims can't even read....but they claim to understand the Koran.

What makes you think that Islam needs reform??

A book written 2000 years ago needs more then just reforms. Put it into a museum.

How many Christians are being forced to convert to Islam in Muslim countries??

Type this question into Google yourself, and you will have plenty of examples.

Why would I ever say Jews are the chosen people?? The Jews say and think they are the chosen people and they are purer than all others

I guess it must lie in the roots of muslims and jews (since they have the same father). Both think that they are the greatest and have the true religion. But when I look at the jewish achievements throughout history I would say " Yes Jews are the chosen people"

Maybe you find the truth here--- Genesis 16:12

He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward [b] all his brothers."

Is this the reason why muslims hate Jews?

**Mhz** · 30-08-2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerm

I leave that up to the experts! Does anybody understand the Koran?

The way you talk about Quran I thought you might be the real expert and all others are just BS,sorry my mistake.So it means you never studied the Quran,so let me ask you a question,why the fuck do you think it needs reform??

Originally Posted by HermantheGerm

How many muslims missunderstand the Koran?

There are no exact numbers,before being a Muslim the ones who misunderstand and the ones who understand are human beings.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerm

Most muslims can't even read....but they claim to understand the Koran.

How can you say that??Yes there are people who cant read the Quran in Arabic (including me) but the Quran is also translated in English,Urdu,Farsi etc etc.

Are you talking about people like yourself who leave everything for the experts??

Originally Posted by HermantheGerm

A book written 2000 years ago needs more then just reforms. Put it into a museum.

Wrong,the Quran was written 1400 years ago.

So if we are placing things in a Museum then I think Jews should be the first cos they follow one of the oldest religions.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerm

Type this question into Google yourself, and you will have plenty of examples.

What are you babbling about??Search how many Wars in the last 50 years were initiated by Christians,how many people were killed by Christians,How many Muslims are being harassed in Christian dominated countries for just being a Muslim.If an Arab with his traditional dress enters the Air Port in America all flights are canceled,everyone looks at him as if he is from another world,is this what you call mulit-cultural society??

Originally Posted by HermantheGerm

Both think that they are the greatest and have the true religion.

Muslims think they have a true religion but they never said that Christians are impure or Jews are impure.Islam even said that a good Christian and a good Jew will enter heaven just like Muslims does.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerm

Yes Jews are the chosen people

Are you a JEW?? No No No,What makes them think they are the chosen one??those inventions and achivements are recent history,Iam talking about the day they started thinking that they are pure and all others are impure.

From your statements above I can conclude that you are not here to debate or discuss,you are here to disgust.

**KID** · 30-08-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by KID

it is the Muslims that can not live side by side with other religions, that should be VERY VERY obvious to you by now

And how many Muslim countries have you lived and worked in then Kiddo?

I thought so.....

I've worked with many Muslims in the US Navy during my career in the military. And had great relationships with them. One guy recently retired and went back to live in Jordan. I have two working with me here. One who has been in the Navy for about 22 years and was raised in Yemen before emigrating to Youngstown, Ohio as a teenager. Great guy. Enlisted.
Currently working on his PhD. Another guy is from one of the Muslim countries in Africa. He's our current Sailor of the Year. Excpetionally bright ... made E-6 in an unheard of 5 years flat.

Food for thought, Kiddo? Just for your info - SK and I are normally at each others throats when it comes to issues like US policy and the war on terrorism, but here we are in complete agreement.

o.k . let me rephrase the statement--coz i don't think all Muslims are bad, it is just when they are the majority that there seems to be a problem

name a country where the Muslim's are the majority religion, that there has not been occurrences of the Muslims killing the other religions and they have lived in peace and harmony with the other religions of the country

hell look at IRAQ, they can't even get along among themselves

**raycarey** · 30-08-2006, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by KID

let me rephrase the statement--coz i don't think all Muslims are bad, it is just when they are the majority that there seems to be a problem

that's mighty white of you.

let me ask a question kid....during the eighties and nineties when gang members were killing each other on the streets of los angeles (and many other cities)....did you ask yourself:

why are the different christian groups killing each other?
why can't the different christian groups live together peacefully...they're the majority?

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