Nay, melted, if you believe the official conspiritors!Quote:
Originally Posted by Panda
It all got burnt in the fire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural Surin
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Nay, melted, if you believe the official conspiritors!Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaIt all got burnt in the fire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural Surin
The fire wasn't that intense at the Pentagon site. Nor would have such a fire consumed the whole aircraft. Still to this day.....there is no physical evidence that such a large aircraft found itself embedded into the side of the Pentagon....Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaIt all got burnt in the fire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural Surin
^You really do manage to miss the point being made in every post you read, don't you?
Your level of ignorance is staggering.Quote:
Originally Posted by English Noodles
Again, repeat after me: "Just because you say so, doesn't make it so".
Another one with a staggering level ignorance as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural Surin
A plane is basically a tube of aluminium foil with engines, and wheels. Fly that at 600 mph into a building, and most of the material gets obliterated and embedded into the building (wow, which is just what happened).
There is a clear entry point at the Pentagon, and the tubus of the plane was buried in the building as it was breaking up. There are clear marks where the wings impacted, where sheared off. The engines were found.
It's not just that you guys are idiots - you're lazy idiots.
Let's ask a different question - the 3 airplanes you all fervently believe were never there (4, if you count Pennsylvania) - what happened to them? They were real airplanes, with real crews, and real passengers. The manifests exist, and show who was on those planes (one even carried the wife of a US attorney general).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural SurinThe fire wasn't that intense at the Pentagon site. Nor would have such a fire consumed the whole aircraft. Still to this day.....there is no physical evidence that such a large aircraft found itself embedded into the side of the Pentagon....Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaIt all got burnt in the fire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural Surin
The planes were manufactured by Boeing. They were sold to carriers. They were in daily operation.
Now, all of these are verifiably gone - the planes, the crew, the passengers?
What happened to them? Did the US government hunt them all down after they used missiles to take down the Twin Towers, and the Pentagon? Did government black ops kidnap all these people, steal three planes, consign airplane employees, executives, hanger workers, maintenance workers, airport staff, etc... to silence, while they grabbed, moved, and demolished those planes in a secret location?
If they were going to go to all that trouble, why not just take a shortcut, and actually fly those planes into their intended targets?
What's that? Silence? Hmm.... who's covering things up, now?
^ I heard the guy (shacked up with his mistress that fateful morning) who called in sick to his firm that was on the some floor way up in WTI wanted to be reported missing. Poor schmuck didn't watch the news and didn't answer his cell phone until about noon when he finally returned his wife's calls.
Wife: "Honey, where are you? Are you OK? I've been so worried."
Him: "Honey, I'm fine, been out for a meeting all morning and just got back to the office."
Don'tcha love men?:)
This is exactly the point - just provide one single surviving passenger, and you would have a convincing case, beyond doubt. Or one single video of a missile hitting the pentagon. Or a confession from one of the many demolition experts at the WTC:mid:, who must have been working for days to rig the towers with explosives prior to 911. Etc,etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
All you have are speculations and theories. Given the extent and complexity of this devious plan surely something of substance should have shown up by now? But is hasn't, and probably never will. If it ever does, I am all ears, but please excuse me for not taking this seriously at present.
Turbine blades are normally made of special alloys to withstand the high temperatures, and in addition they are normally internally air cooled - without this the blades would ...yes - melt!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by English Noodles https://teakdoor.com/images/td_defaul...s/viewpost.gif
What are jet engine turbines made of? Nothing that burns or is exposed to heat can reach a temperature grater than that which is burning it.
Try to set fire to Magnesium once - they you'll certainly see temperatures above that of which a match or lighter can provide.
In fact, if you really want to see high temperatures, try to set fire to aluminium - it burns at a temperature of several thousands degrees. Hint - what were the planes that hit the WTC made of.....?:mid:
Balsa wood. They was just wee model airplanes used in the fake videos shown over and over on the news media.:mid:Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
Shhhhhh.... don't give away the fun facts... :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
All these rantings really illustrate, in all of these guys, is their deplorable lack of education and ability to think for themselves.
yeah, where is the video of the Pentagon ? why wasn't it released ? even stupid Rummy did a slip, not once, but twice at a pressconf about a missile hitting the Pentagon
and another question, like the JFK case, why would they lock the records for the next 50 years ? in a society where truth and responsibilities is crucial and central, why are we letting the government lock down those records ? what are they are afraid of ? the only "justification" is to cover for rogue elements within the government that will expose such weakness.
it's a bit like Thailand, you don't investigate certain crimes when you already know the answers, and you deal with it differently and more discretely because you don't want to expose your weakness.
Right - just to summarise what we are awaiting:
DrBob to expand on his theory that the WTC was, in fact, a scientific experiment buring kerosene at pressures of many atmospheres and in a pure oxygen environment in order to see if temperatures high enough to melt the steel could be achieved.
Whiteshiva to expand on his theory of the WTC, in fact, being construced as a giant furnace all along, with the aim of incinerating all occupants and the very structure itself.
And to think that sceptics are supposed to be the conspiracy nuts. :rolleyes:
Funnily enough, just like Dr Kelly, who was the only suspicious death to not have been the subject of a Coroner's Court investigation in living memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
Dr Kelly was probably off, but by who ? hard to tell, maybe the CIA helped because MI5 didn't want to have their hand dirty,
but yeah when you know the answers, you basically bury the investigation because it's too embarrassing for the public to see. Same with the Diana investigation, got sabotaged, and then buried, with the help of the French secret service. Why ? we will never know.
You don't really seem to understand how this works - it is you, the conspiracy theorists, who have to come up with the proof. :mid: Which you have consistently failed to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by madasafish
I watched a plane fly into the building, a major fire, and then a structural collapse. If there is anything more to it - prove it! Otherwise, please spare us this silly nonsense.
No, actually its the other way round. Official explanations have to be proved otherwise they cannot be relied upon. Official explanations that are a physical impossibility give rise to all sorts of theories, mad or otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteshivaYou don't really seem to understand how this works - it is you, the conspiracy theorists, who have to come up with the proof. :mid: Which you have consistently failed to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by madasafish
There's the thing. No plane flew into WTC7, no-one saw any fire, nor was any fire recorded on any video of the numerous ones made at the scene, yet the building still managed to collapse in the same way as the North and South towers. Strange that.:mid:Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
What about a more likely conspiracy theory: Israel and the neo-cons who ran the USA at the time were very aware that 19 no-so-careful and not-so-technologically-adept Middle Eastern men were going to destroy these buildings and allowed it to happen to pursue their military and political agendas. After all, wasn't it Benjamin Netanyahu who stated that the 911 attacks were 'very good' for US-Israeli relations?
It's speculation, but if you're going to pursue a conspiracy theory, it seems like a more reasonable one. There was a noticeable uptick in put options on the affected airlines several days before the attack. And it's very, very curious that employees of an Israeli company several blocks from the WTC were warned two hours beforehand of an impending attack. This isn't tin foil hat speculation, it's never been explained and was reported in a reputable Israeli newspaper Haaretz:
"Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack. "
Odigo says workers were warned of attack - Haaretz - Israel News
Then there are those who believe that the Mossad were complicit in the 911 attacks...
9-11 Attacks: The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested on 9-11
Mossad - The Israeli Connection To 911
The Truth Seeker - Mossad: The Israeli Connection to 9/11
Much like the assassination of JFK, we the people will likely never know the truth...
Oppppsss! More Ammo for the tin hats.. :rolleyes:
NASA lost moon footage, but Hollywood restores it - Yahoo! News
NASA lost moon footage, but Hollywood restores it
By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer Thu Jul 16, 7:11 pm ET
WASHINGTON – NASA could put a man on the moon but didn't have the sense to keep the original video of the live TV transmission.
In an embarrassing acknowledgment, the space agency said Thursday that it must have erased the Apollo 11 moon footage years ago so that it could reuse the videotape.
But now Hollywood is coming to the rescue.
The studio wizards who restored "Casablanca" are digitally sharpening and cleaning up the ghostly, grainy footage of the moon landing, making it even better than what TV viewers saw on July 20, 1969. They are doing it by working from four copies that NASA scrounged from around the world.
"There's nothing being created; there's nothing being manufactured," said NASA senior engineer Dick Nafzger, who is in charge of the project. "You can now see the detail that's coming out."
The first batch of restored footage was released just in time for the 40th anniversary of the "one giant leap for mankind," and some of the details seem new because of their sharpness. Originally, astronaut Neil Armstrong's face visor was too fuzzy to be seen clearly. The upgraded video of Earth's first moonwalker shows the visor and a reflection in it.
The $230,000 refurbishing effort is only three weeks into a monthslong project, and only 40 percent of the work has been done. But it does show improvements in four snippets: Armstrong walking down the ladder; Buzz Aldrin following him; the two astronauts reading a plaque they left on the moon; and the planting of the flag on the lunar surface.
Nafzger said a huge search that began three years ago for the old moon tapes led to the "inescapable conclusion" that 45 tapes of Apollo 11 video were erased and reused. His report on that will come out in a few weeks.
The original videos beamed to Earth were stored on giant reels of tape that each contained 15 minutes of video, along with other data from the moon. In the 1970s and '80s, NASA had a shortage of the tapes, so it erased about 200,000 of them and reused them.
How did NASA end up looking like a bumbling husband taping over his wedding video with the Super Bowl?
Nafzger, who was in charge of the live TV recordings back in the Apollo years, said they were mostly thought of as data tapes. It wasn't his job to preserve history, he said, just to make sure the footage worked. In retrospect, he said he wished NASA hadn't reused the tapes.
Outside historians were aghast.
"It's surprising to me that NASA didn't have the common sense to save perhaps the most important historical footage of the 20th century," said Rice University historian and author Douglas Brinkley. He noted that NASA saved all sorts of data and artifacts from Apollo 11, and it is "mind-boggling that the tapes just disappeared."
The remastered copies may look good, but "when dealing with historical film footage, you always want the original to study," Brinkley said.
Smithsonian Institution space curator Roger Launius, a former NASA chief historian, said the loss of the original video "doesn't surprise me that much."
"It was a mistake, no doubt about that," Launius said. "This is a problem inside the entire federal government. ... They don't think that preservation is all that important."
Launius said federal warehouses where historical artifacts are saved are "kind of like the last scene of `Raiders of the Lost Ark.' It just goes away in this place with other big boxes."
The company that restored all the Indiana Jones movies, including "Raiders," is the one bailing out NASA.
Lowry Digital of Burbank, Calif., noted that "Casablanca" had a pixel count 10 times higher than the moon video, meaning the Apollo 11 footage was fuzzier than that vintage movie and more of a challenge in one sense.
Of all the video the company has dealt with, "this is by far and away the lowest quality," said Lowry president Mike Inchalik.
Nafzger praised Lowry for restoring "crispness" to the Apollo video. Historian Launius wasn't as blown away.
"It's certainly a little better than the original," Launius said. "It's not a lot better."
The Apollo 11 video remains in black and white. Inchalik said he would never consider colorizing it, as has been done to black-and-white classic films. And the moon is mostly gray anyway.
The restoration used four video sources: CBS News originals; kinescopes from the National Archives; a video from Australia that received the transmission of the original moon video; and camera shots of a TV monitor.
Both Nafzger and Inchalik acknowledged that digitally remastering the video could further encourage conspiracy theorists who believe NASA faked the entire moon landing on a Hollywood set. But they said they enhanced the video as conservatively as possible.
Besides, Inchalik said that if there had been a conspiracy to fake a moon landing, NASA surely would have created higher-quality film.
Back in 1969, nearly 40 percent of the picture quality was lost converting from one video format used on the moon — called slow scan — to something that could be played on TVs on Earth, Nafzger said.
NASA did not lose other Apollo missions' videos because they weren't stored on the type of tape that needed to be reused, Nafzger said.
As part of the moon landing's 40th anniversary, the space agency has been trotting out archival material. NASA has a Web site with audio from private conversations in the lunar module and command capsule. The agency is also webcasting radio from Apollo 11 as if the mission were taking place today.
The video restoration project did not involve improving the sound. Inchalik said he listened to Armstrong's famous first words from the surface of the moon, trying to hear if he said "one small step for man" or "one small step for A man," but couldn't tell.
Through a letter read at a news conference Thursday, Armstrong had the last word about the video from the moon: "I was just amazed that there was any picture at all."
yeah, and also the story of the Israeli "students" watching with binocular the planes crashing into the WTC while cheering and jumping on the roof of a van. Some residents complained and called the police. It turns out those "students" were working for a local IT company with "alleged" connection to Mossad and hi-tech spying. They were sent back home the next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo
Mossad is definitely involved, probably more than the US government knows already. When Barak was PM, he was threatened several times by unelected "officials" in his own government, and Rabin was certainly killed with the help of several people inside his own circle.
Israelis are a bunch of nasty fuckers and that's the kind of trick they would pull,
Ah, okay, you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by madasafish
Nice strawmen you're building. Obviously, the only way to can hope to retain your argument is by blatantly lying, which is typical.
Yep, and he's going to be waiting a long time. I've already used up all the time I've allocated for talking to retards this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuckAh, okay, you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by madasafish
Nice strawmen you're building. Obviously, the only way to can hope to retain your argument is by blatantly lying, which is typical.
Seems pretty straightforward - plane + building + fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
Of course, what's facts, when you live in fantasyland....
No fires? No one saw any? None were recorded? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by madasafish
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I bet that's just a bunch of people on the floors smoking cigarettes, right?
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Oh, look a video (that was clearly NEVER recorded):
http://www.911myths.com/wtc7moresmoke.avi
Sucks to be you - lazy, and dumb.
Exactly - if we had to pick a conspiracy theory to get behind, the one you posited at least has elements of truth and possibility -- while what these other morons religiously follow, are a Hollywood version of events that they fervently wish to be true, in order to give their worthless lives meanings.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo
If there really were a wide ranging conspiracy that assassinates all of those who 'know', I'm really hoping there is, and they off these idiots -- but by the mere fact that they troll on these forums, posting from their proverbial Mom's basements is enough proof that there is no such thing - pity.
Ok, I might have a desire to see aluminium burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
Maybe you could guide me there, and also tell me what circumstance was needed in the Towers for those aluminium Planes to burn ? Hints ?
Stick a magnesium igniter into it, and crank up the heat:
Aluminum: Friend or Foe?. In the Pipeline:
YouTube - Thermit Reaction