Young Earthers & Creationism

**barbaro** · 11-03-2009, 02:37 PM

"Young Earthers" are Xtians that believe the Earth is only as old as Genesis states. Therefore, humans and dinosaurs co-existed, the Grand Canyon is only a few thousand years old, etc.

I think this is ridiculous.

The Genesis of a debate

Creationist students take field trip to hotbed of evolution: The Smithsonian

By Steve Hendrix

March. 10, 2009

Every winter, David DeWitt takes his biology class to the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History, but for a purpose far different from that of other professors.

DeWitt brings his Advanced Creation Studies class (CRST 390, Origins) up from Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., hoping to strengthen his students' belief in a biblical view of natural history, even in the lion's den of evolution.

His yearly visit to the Smithsonian is part of a wider movement by creationists to confront Darwinism in some of its most redoubtable secular strongholds. As scientists celebrate the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, his doubters are taking themselves on Genesis-based tours of natural history museums, aquariums, geologic sites and even dinosaur parks.

"There's nothing balanced here. It's completely, 100 percent evolution-based," said DeWitt, a professor of biology. "We come every year, because I don't hold anything back from the students."

Creationists, who take their view of natural history straight from the book of Genesis, believe that scientific data can be interpreted to support their idea that God made the first human, Adam, in an essentially modern form 6,000 to 10,000 years ago.

A 2006 poll by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that 42 percent of Americans believe humans have always existed in their present form. At universities such as Liberty, founded by the late Jerry Falwell, those views inform the entire science curriculum.

Like the Liberty students, avowed creationists across the country are making a practice of challenging the conventional wisdom at zoos (questioning the evolutionary explanation of giraffe necks), the Grand Canyon (dating the rock layers in thousands, not millions, of years), and cave parks (describing the formations as evidence of rapid drainage after the Great Flood).

'Creation vacations'
In the upcoming issue of Answers, a leading magazine of the young-Earth movement, the list of "creation vacations" includes the Lowell Observatory in Arizona, the New England Aquarium in Boston and London's Natural History Museum.
"Why should we be afraid to test our worldview against reality?" asked Bill Jack, a Christian leadership instructor who leads groups across the country for a company called Biblically Correct Tours. "If Christianity is true, it better be true in the natural history museums and in the zoos."

Link & Entire: Young-Earth students go on 'creation vacations' - Washington Post- msnbc.com

**Elwood** · 12-03-2009, 09:08 PM

the earth is millions of yrs old or more men and dinos together possible.

funny that its still called" the theory of evolution" now why is that.

oh well the arguement goes on and on and on and on.

**pickel** · 12-03-2009, 09:33 PM

Why aren't dinosaurs in the Bible?

Dan · 12-03-2009, 09:47 PM

^ That's easy. God left the bones in the ground but no clues in the bible to test our faith. A test you, evil sinner, have failed.

Yes, I agree with the OP. It's fucking mental. (And only fractionally less mental than that whole rapture thing that Americans seem so in love with.) The amazing thing is that agreeing that life evolved in regular Darwinian fashion is a minority opinion (and a fairly extreme minority at that) in the States. Understanding evolution seems to me pretty much entry-level stuff; if you haven't got this sorted out, you've more or less ruled yourself out from having any kind of opinion that counts.

**pickel** · 12-03-2009, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dan

That's easy. God left the bones in the ground but no clues in the bible to test our faith. A test you, evil sinner, have failed.

The late, great Bill Hicks said that God put creationists here to test our faith.

**TizMe** · 12-03-2009, 10:29 PM

Maybe old Noah couldn'r get T-Rex, Stegasauras and Brontasauras on his ark.

**Loy Toy** · 12-03-2009, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

Why aren't dinosaurs in the Bible?

Or this bloke?

**Happyman** · 13-03-2009, 12:26 AM

The first posting on this thread contains an obvious typo

De Witt ??? = Half wit

**SnotGoblin** · 13-03-2009, 03:15 AM

I have all ways wondered, who lit the Fuse for The Big Bang !!!!!

**Rural Surin** · 13-03-2009, 09:39 AM

Have to discount any of such theories, only because it is so Christian and Eurocentric concocted. Very naive.

**Looper** · 14-03-2009, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by TizMe

Maybe old Noah couldn'r get T-Rex, Stegasauras and Brontasauras on his ark.

Creationism and the great flood is obviously fanciful bollocks or else how did the loch ness monster get back into loch ness after the water went back down unless he had GPS and knew exactly where to wait as the sea-level subsided?

**DrivingForce** · 14-03-2009, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by TizMe

Maybe old Noah couldn'r get T-Rex, Stegasauras and Brontasauras on his ark.

Creationism and the great flood is obviously fanciful bollocks or else how did the loch ness monster get back into loch ness after the water went back down unless he had GPS and knew exactly where to wait as the sea-level subsided?

Not every minnow gets caught in the puddle when the stream begins to dry up in dry season you know?

in a sense he just got caught in a relatively sized puddle, he must have had some things there that made him happy enough to stay..

**Lily** · 14-03-2009, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

Why aren't dinosaurs in the Bible

Why indeed!

**Looper** · 14-03-2009, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

Why aren't dinosaurs in the Bible?

They are, but they used to be called dragons.

Book of Prophets - Isaiah 34:10-13

It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.
But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.
They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none shall be there, and all her princes shall be nothing.
And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be a habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.

**melvbot** · 14-03-2009, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by pickel

Why aren't dinosaurs in the Bible

Why indeed!

Because its 99% bullshit, well when I say 99% I mean I guess its about 99% as I havent read it. Might have done if there were a few more dinosaurs in it.

**withnallstoke** · 15-03-2009, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Have to discount any of such theories, only because it is so Christian and Eurocentric concocted. Very naive.

Quality mate.

**nedwalk** · 10-04-2009, 10:29 AM

arn,t crocodiles dinosaurs? ok left over ones..and cockaroaches

**benbaaa** · 10-04-2009, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Elwood

funny that its still called" the theory of evolution" now why is that.

You hear this again and again from brainless religious nutters who couldn't understand a simple idea if their lives depended on it. Theory in the scietific context doesn't mean guess. A scientific theory:

1) is an explanation of how something works based on empirical evidence, ie observations of behaviour in controlled conditions;
2) is an explanation which consistently is able to make more or less accurate predictions about how the thing works;
3) is falsifiable or refutable, ie, it can be tested against old or new evidence and found to be wrong or in need of adjustment;
4) doesn't need to be perfectly accurate to be of use to science.

Some scientific theories are so well supported by the evidence that they are as close to facts as makes no difference. Evolution is one such theory.

**Jesus Jones** · 10-04-2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

Why aren't dinosaurs in the Bible?

Because the bible and religion are the best kept conspiricy secrets. Just one of many ways of controlling people for both good and bad.

**ceburat** · 14-04-2009, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by melvbot

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by pickel

Why aren't dinosaurs in the Bible

Why indeed!

Because its 99% bullshit, well when I say 99% I mean I guess its about 99% as I havent read it. Might have done if there were a few more dinosaurs in it.

Wow, truth for a change. Talking about what one has not read.

DaffyDuck · 14-04-2009, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

"Why should we be afraid to test our worldview against reality?" asked Bill Jack,

...and by saying so, he just about admitted that his worldview and belief system is flawed and that he believes so himself -- otherwise he would not used the word 'reality' to describe that which he believes to not be real.

Lovely how people undermine their own beliefs....

**Norton** · 14-04-2009, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Creationists, who take their view of natural history straight from the book of Genesis, believe that scientific data can be interpreted to support their idea that God made the first human, Adam, in an essentially modern form 6,000 to 10,000 years ago.

Suppose with liberal interpretation 1 million years could become 10,000 years ago.

Then there is this. The Young Earth Creationists believe that the Earth is "young", on the order of 6,000 to 10,000 years old. Much harder to reconcile with the scientific view of 4.6 billion years.

**Takeovers** · 19-04-2009, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Originally Posted by Elwood

funny that its still called" the theory of evolution" now why is that.

You hear this again and again from brainless religious nutters who couldn't understand a simple idea if their lives depended on it. Theory in the scietific context doesn't mean guess. A scientific theory:

1) is an explanation of how something works based on empirical evidence, ie observations of behaviour in controlled conditions;
2) is an explanation which consistently is able to make more or less accurate predictions about how the thing works;
3) is falsifiable or refutable, ie, it can be tested against old or new evidence and found to be wrong or in need of adjustment;
4) doesn't need to be perfectly accurate to be of use to science.

Some scientific theories are so well supported by the evidence that they are as close to facts as makes no difference. Evolution is one such theory.

Worth a big green.

The word theory is misunderstood by many and blatantly misused by the nutters.

**DrivingForce** · 23-04-2009, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Originally Posted by Elwood

funny that its still called" the theory of evolution" now why is that.

You hear this again and again from brainless religious nutters who couldn't understand a simple idea if their lives depended on it. Theory in the scietific context doesn't mean guess. A scientific theory:

1) is an explanation of how something works based on empirical evidence, ie observations of behaviour in controlled conditions;
2) is an explanation which consistently is able to make more or less accurate predictions about how the thing works;
3) is falsifiable or refutable, ie, it can be tested against old or new evidence and found to be wrong or in need of adjustment;
4) doesn't need to be perfectly accurate to be of use to science.

Some scientific theories are so well supported by the evidence that they are as close to facts as makes no difference. Evolution is one such theory.

Worth a big green.

The word theory is misunderstood by many and blatantly misused by the nutters.

while I agree, there are more than a few self proclaimed geniuses here on this board that will argue that "theory" to death..

**Whiteshiva** · 23-04-2009, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by benbaaa

Theory in the scietific context doesn't mean guess. A scientific theory:

1) is an explanation of how something works based on empirical evidence, ie observations of behaviour in controlled conditions;
2) is an explanation which consistently is able to make more or less accurate predictions about how the thing works;
3) is falsifiable or refutable, ie, it can be tested against old or new evidence and found to be wrong or in need of adjustment;
4) doesn't need to be perfectly accurate to be of use to science.

Some scientific theories are so well supported by the evidence that they are as close to facts as makes no difference. Evolution is one such theory.

Which is why creationism is not a theory - especially with regards to point 3) as there is no room to modify or adjust the theory, as the bible is the word of God

and hence may not be edited.

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