Thread: Israel Bombs Gaza

This whole mess could be sorted out by the UN Security Council. Except that USA vetoes every single motion to rein in the excesses of Israel declared illegal under international law.

USA therefore by proxy becomes just as guilty of these war crimes as Israel.

30 Years Of U.S. UN Vetoes.

Eyewitnesses? You mean the militants with an agenda to discredit Israel? Militants who threw an Israeli soldier over a railing and who threw concussion bombs into a Israeli boarding vessel? Their word isn't worth much. I'd like to see autopsy reports from a credible source.

The Israelis were attacking a vessel in international waters. What would you throw at them...the keys?

State sponsored terrorism is Israels normal MO.
The Israeli military regularly attack and murder Palestinian civilians in retribution for acts of defiance.

These war crimes have often been condemned in the UN by various countries, but on every occasion USA had used its power of veto to prevent anything being done about it.

How farcical is it then that USA appoints itself as the chief peace negotiator in the conflict.
These atrocities by Israel could be reined in by the UN, but every time a motion is put to the Security Council USA vetoes it and all the time funding and arming Israel.

"27 January 2011 Last updated at 15:38 GMT

Israeli settlers 'shoot Palestinian teen' near Nablus

Uday Maher Qadous was pronounced dead in hospital in the West Bank city of Nablus
Continue reading the main storyAn 18-year-old shepherd has died after being shot by Israeli settlers near the West Bank city of Nablus, Palestinian officials say.

Witnesses say the man was attacked by four Jewish settlers. Israeli officials say they are looking into the incident"
BBC News - Israeli settlers 'shoot Palestinian teen' near Nablus

I have to wonder why the western media describes these radical Zionist terrorists as "settlers". The term implies some legitimacy in them stealing Palestinian land under force of arms and murdering the rightful Palestinian owners.
What these murderous radical Zionist thugs are doing is a despicable crime under international law, yet the UN Security Council is blocked from doing anything about by the USA using its power of veto.

I sometimes wonder if the federal government actually runs the US, or two powerful lobby groups- Aipac & the NRA.

^ more like the Pentagon, NRA and the Jewish spy ring lobby

Originally Posted by sabang

I sometimes wonder if the federal government actually runs the US, or two powerful lobby groups- Aipac & the NRA.

No need to wonder there Sabang. If the Israeli lobby bribes dont work, the Jewish controlled media will bring the US politicans to heel. A case of the stick or the carrot and US politicans know which way to jump when they are told to by their Zionist masters.

Originally Posted by MrG

The Israelis were attacking a vessel in international waters. What would you throw at them...the keys?

International waters? So what? Given Israel is at war with HAMAS, Hezbollah and all the local murderous clans which call themselves armies and brigades, I don't see the problem. The Israeli government said the ship could enter an Israeli port and have the cargo inspected. That sounds fair enough.

Another thing, how can people evaluate the flotilla boarding as a single isolated event unrelated to anything else occurring or having occurred in the region, like thousands of rockets launched into Israel, kidnappings, stabbings?

^ Or the illegal and brutal occupation of Palestine.

Prior to Israel declaring itself a state who was responsible for maintaining the roads and the sewers which nation was that?

We've been over this before. The Palestinains were used as stooges by greater Pan-Arab forces. As a strategy they were told by those forces to leave their land. So far, the strategy hasn't worked. The Israelis and the world are willing to compensate the Palestinians for land lost during the wars. If arabs weren't so intent on murdering Jews more of them could live peacefully as Israeli citizens in the homes they hold keys to.

If arabs didn't terrorize their own population to the extent that they do more average arabs would be content to live as Israeli citizens.

Originally Posted by attaboy

The Palestinains were used as stooges by greater Pan-Arab forces

Damn right they were- and still are.

Originally Posted by attaboy

average arabs would be content to live as Israeli citizens.

If Israel were willing to embrace the 'one state' solution- Israel and Palestine as a single, combined state with Palestinian and Israeli citizens- then you are right. But they have categorically ruled this out, thus leaving only the two state solution.

Prior to Israel declaring itself a state who was responsible for maintaining the roads and the sewers which nation was that?

What about this? It gets to the point of whether Israel is a legitimate state.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by "attaboy"

The Palestinains were used as stooges by greater Pan-Arab forces

Damn right they were- and still are.

Originally Posted by "attaboy"

average arabs would be content to live as Israeli citizens.

If Israel were willing to embrace the 'one state' solution- Israel and Palestine as a single, combined state with Palestinian and Israeli citizens- then you are right. But they have categorically ruled this out, thus leaving only the two state solution.

I'm not talking about a one state solution. I'm talking about common Palestinians living in Gaza who are terrorized by the clans who roam the streets calling themselves 'armies of Allah' or 'Akbar brigades'. Those common people would prefer to live in the safety of Israel.

Yes, and the logic words so well for Pig Israel to keep it's wogs in place.

http://itisapartheid.org/occupied.html:


Israeli Apartheid in the Occupied Territories?
No matter what you call it: the nearly 40 years of occupation of the West Bank and Gaza are ILLEGAL, IMMORAL and UNJUST



Two Systems: Separate and Unequal

Palestinians are under Military Law and face the constant threat of arrest and detention without charge and can be held indefinitely. They have no right to representation or trial. Israelis living in illegal settlements on Palestinian land have all the privileges of Israeli Civil Law. As citizens of Israel, they can vote, seek redress in court, and have freedom of speech and assembly. 2

• Palestinian villages and towns face collective punishment in the form of bulldozing of family houses, extended 24 hour curfews, closures, military raids, violence and harassment. Israeli settlers face no such collective punishment. 3
• Palestinian land ownership (agricultural and residential) is subject to military and economic confiscation. The purpose is to establish Jewish only settlements, take water resources and confine the Palestinian population into smaller and smaller cantons. Israelis face no land confiscation. 4
• Over 17,000 Palestinian houses have been demolished, creating 100,000 of thousands homeless. Over a million Palestinian olive and fruit trees have been uprooted. A few Israeli outposts have been dismantled, but there has been no widespread destruction of Israeli homes and trees. 5
• Palestinians are prohibited from using the extensive network of settler only highways that connect the settlements to Israel. 8
• Palestinian workers employed in settlement industrial zones receive only the sweatshop-like minimum wage mandated by Jordanian law in 1967. In the settlements, Israeli workers receive all the rights and benefits of Israeli employment law including a much larger minimum wage. 9
• The Israeli military authority controls virtually all the water in the West Bank. 73% of West Bank water is piped back to Israel. Illegal Jewish settlers use 10% of West Bank water. Palestinians have access to only 17% of their own water and must buy it from Isrrael at 4 times the price Israelis pay. 10
• The wall fragments Palestinian communities; it separates families from their land, their livelihood, health care and schools. The wall also divides communities and families from each other. The wall does not fragment Israeli settlements; it is built in such a way to as to annex them to Israel proper. 11

"The permit system for the Closed Zone is administered in an arbitrary and humiliating manner…This system, which subjects Palestinian freedom of movement to the whim of the Occupying Power, creates anger, anxiety and humiliation among the population." (UNHCHR) 12



West Bank
Bantustans

Palestinians are ghettoized in 12 percent of their original territory. 13

The West Bank is divided up into 70 isolated cantons with no physical movement without Israel permission. 13

There are over 500 military check points where Palestinians often wait hours, and must have ID cards and passes just to travel short distances. Israeli settlers can travel easily on Israeli-only roads. 14

This dispossession is reminiscent of apartheid which set aside 13% of the lands as “Bantustan” homelands for black South Africans. South Africa
Bantustans