President Obama News Thread

[Boon Mee]

Obama & Dems in 2005: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founder’s Intent.

Are these people shameless or what?

Breitbart.tv Obama & Dems in ‘05: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founders’ Intent

[Jet Gorgon]

The healthcare mtg tomorrow. Here are some words from Reagan on govt healthcare:

[attaboy]

$15 billion stimulus bill instead of $80 billion originally considered. Some Republicans will take the compromise as a win.

[panama hat]

Obama & Dems in 2005: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founder’s Intent.

Are these people shameless or what?

Breitbart.tv Obama & Dems in ‘05: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founders’ Intent

Oh, look . . . there are more of your kind out there, is BM's name Rodgered?:

rodgerdsmith February 24th, 2010 - 10:18 am
People don’t want to accept the fact we are now living in a state of Tyranny. With Obongo being a committed communist, don’t think he won’t issue Executive Orders cancelling elections this fall if the notion strikes him. We The People need to abort this outrage!

Here's a clever one . . . yes, vote them all out:

Rosa February 24th, 2010 - 10:20 am
All politicians make me sick. We’re gonna vote them all out

Who exactly is the loon?

Eileen for Freedom/Liberty February 24th, 2010 - 10:20 am
,,,in Holy Scripture where some of the disciples of Jesus Christ believed that it would be good if someone who had died and gone to hell could come back and tell them what it was like. That then people would believe!

Christ knew that even if someone came back from the dead…people would not believe!

So it remains true in this case…even their own words…spoken from their lips…cannot convince the deaf, the dumb and the blind…that they are in the wrong and should not be believed!

But continue speaking up and speaking out…to all that will listen of the truth…because the ‘truth’ will set us free…not the lies of the Democratzi ‘loon’!

REMEMBER THE ALAMO

Yes, all those Soviet Unions . . .

Dave, Tn February 24th, 2010 - 10:20 am
Nice work Pam!!! Too bad we’re dealing with lying thieving scum. Everything for their Wall Street Banking buddies and their Soviet Unions.

No-one?

Will February 24th, 2010 - 10:23 am
If the democrats ram through this health care bill that nobody wants, with the reconciliation process, it will be the definitive act of democrat hypocrisy and absolute power

This guy makes the most sense of all . . . in a sweet sort of way:

Mr Bill February 24th, 2010 - 10:24 am
Is it more hypocritical to do something and then get mad when someone else does it against you or to cry foul and then do the same thing? Both parties are at fault. I honestly don’t know the answer. What I do know is that I am mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. I say vote every incumbent out of office. I don’t care Dem, Rep, or Ind; vote everyone of them out and start over. We need to do this till no one has served more than one term in office

Here's my favourite:

Libs, and the Lying Liars Who Elect Them February 24th, 2010 - 10:30 am
For the Socialists and their lap dogs in the American media: Senate rules, the law, and even the Constitution itself are “living documents” meant to flex to whatever their “Progressive” plans are for central government expansion and securing a permanent Dem majority.

And one wonders why the US is in the shit

[MrG]

The healthcare mtg tomorrow. Here are some words from Reagan on govt healthcare:

Afterwards he took full advantage of his great Government Plan.

[HarryBollocks]

Well there are only a handful of people in the United States who don't know healthcare is dead. One of them is the first narcissist. It's is sad or funny depending on your point of view that Big Ears Barry has hitched his wagon to this lib wet dream.
　
I personally laugh when he states that the lib wet dream will reduce the deficit. Only accounting shenanigans - higher taxes & medicare cuts first - expanded coverage later - gets him to the measly trillion dollars this turkey WAS GONNA cost.

So Barry go through with your charade at the beige house. Bluff reconciliation. And watch your career & your legacy go down the toilet like a polar bear sized turd. Because you have bet the farm on this turkey. R.I.P.

[raycarey]

Obama & Dems in 2005: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founder’s Intent.

Are these people shameless or what?

Breitbart.tv Obama & Dems in ‘05: 51 Vote ‘Nuclear Option’ Is ‘Arrogant’ Power Grab Against the Founders’ Intent

And one wonders why the US is in the shit

part of the reason the US is in the shit is because of the lies.

enough of the lies.

the above is a flat out lie.

the so called 'nuclear option' is not 'reconciliation'. they are completely different.

the 'nuclear option' was a republican plan/threat to kill the filibuster back in 2004/5 because the dems were blocking the appointment of extremist judges.

'reconciliation' is a rule of the senate that has been used 22 times since 1980...and it was the republicans who used it 16 of those times.

In U.S. politics, the nuclear option is an attempt by a majority of the United States Senate to end a filibuster by invoking a point of order to essentially declare the filibuster unconstitutional which can be decided by a simple majority, rather than seeking formal cloture with a supermajority of 60 senators. Although it is not provided for in the formal rules of the Senate, the procedure is the subject of a 1957 parliamentary opinion and has been used on several occasions since. The term was coined by Senator Trent Lott (Republican of Mississippi) in 2005;[1] it has also been known as the constitutional option.[2]

Reconciliation is a legislative process in the United States Senate intended to allow consideration of a contentious budget bill without the threat of filibuster. Introduced in 1974, reconciliation limits debate and amendment, and therefore favors the majority party. Reconciliation also exists in the United States House of Representatives, but because the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendment, the process has had a less significant impact on that body.

let's be clear...and honest:

'the nuclear option' would kill the filibuster.
'reconciliation' is a senate rule on budgetary matters only which allows for 51 vote majority rule.

they are NOT the same thing.

'the nuclear option' never came to pass.
'reconciliation' has been used twice as often by republicans in the last 30 years.

the republican echo chamber ( starting with breitbart/drudge and then it inevitably ends up on fox), is trying to conflate the two.... and anyone interested in the truth can only hope that they're not successful in lying to the american public.

my guess is that frank luntz found that the term 'nuclear option' causes a severe negative reaction when introduced to polling groups...and scum bag that he is....he told the republicans to lie about what the term means.

Reconciliation (United States Congress) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nuclear option - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The use of reconciliation 1980-2008 - Brendan Nyhan
Hannity conflates reconciliation, "nuclear option" to accuse Democrats of "hypocrisy" | Media Matters for America

[Humbert]

Excellent rebuttal. Thanks for setting the facts straight.

[Boon Mee]

Heh...wake up and smell the coffee. Poll, 73% of Americans say start over or ditch this entirely.

73% of the public doesn't want this bill. So why won't Democrats back off? Because they are obsessed. Taking over health care is their Holy Grail and they will fail...

[Jet Gorgon]

'reconciliation' is a senate rule on budgetary matters only which allows for 51 vote majority rule.

Yep, and that is why it is interesting that the libbies think they can use it to ram through their health care bill.
Today's summit will be interesting...can bamboy talk for six hours straight? Mebbe give the Republicans five minutes? I hope the GOP walks if it turns into a bambi rhetorical fest.

[raycarey]

'reconciliation' is a senate rule on budgetary matters only which allows for 51 vote majority rule.

Yep, and that is why it is interesting that the libbies think they can use it to ram through their health care bill.

once again.....you don't have any idea of what you're talking about.

reconciliation has been used for health care bills in the past.



ever heard of COBRA?

guess what the "R" stands for?

here's a hint:

it begins with "recon"....and ends with "ciliation".


ever heard of SCHIP?

also passed through reconciliation.


as always, jet........GET BETTER INFORMED.


Health Care and Reconciliation? They Go Way Back! - The Gaggle Blog - Newsweek.com

[raycarey]

after listening to obama's opening remarks at the health care summit, it's clear that he's on his game.

then obama gave the floor to mcconnell and boehner.....and they punted.



they gave the microphone to sen. alexander....without a peep from either one of them.

the republican leaders in the senate and house had nothing to say for themselves.

[slackula]

I was curious to see what the differences are between the current bill and the one proposed by Republicans in '93. Shockingly it turns out they are almost identical..

Chart: Comparing Health Reform Bills: Democrats and Republicans 2009, Republicans 1993 - Kaiser Health News

[Humbert]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/us/politics/25memo.html

Using reconciliation as a technique requires that deficits incurred cannot extend beyond 10 years. That is why the Bush tax cuts will be expiring soon. So, using reconciliation may not be the best choice.

[HermantheGerman]

Heh...wake up and smell the coffee. Poll, 73% of Americans say start over or ditch this entirely.

73% of the public doesn't want this bill. So why won't Democrats back off? Because they are obsessed. Taking over health care is their Holy Grail and they will fail...

Heh.... wake up and smell the shit. And if the Democrats had 99% of the seats...the jewish Lobby will NEVER allow the health care system in the U.S.
Media brainwash at its best.
The poor U.S. boys have to fight wars in foreign countries (for which Lobby?) and not even they are properly insured. Yes you are right, America has failed! Can't even take care of their Vets who have served the country. Can't expect any pitty for the poor..can you?

[Jet Gorgon]

reconciliation has been used for health care bills in the past.

Not for a bill that will give govt control of at least a whopping 16-17% of the US economy. Even Sen Byrd opposes it. And the nuke option is the straight up or down vote with the VP adding the decider to make it 51 for the majority party if needed.

Obama played his regal king role to the max today. If bamboy was supposed to be the "moderator", he sure took up enough time blabbing. The GOP did well, despite being lambasted and out-talked by the libbies in terms of time. Reid lied, as usual, about using "reconciliation" to pass this monstrosity. And how nice for bamboy to conclude that if there is no agreement, he'll find a way to ram the bill through anyway. Somehow, not the case methinks. The people have seen the libbie act. GOPers Ryan and Alexander were superb; bamboy showed his arrogance trying to dress down GOPers, especially McCain, for no good reason other than to repeat his "I am the president" mantra. Waste of time, when the focus should be on JOBS.

[Boon Mee]

^
Never mind RA has his facts wrong again - what's new? Anyhow, the best moment yesterday during the BO freakshow was Paul Ryan of Wisconsin ripping apart the Obamamessiah's package of ca ca. Have a laugh at the freak-show stuff, settle in for six minutes of Ryan wonking out about what’s destined to happen to the “cost curve” and the annual deficits if BO's POS bill passes. This has always been the core problem, eh?

[slackula]

and out-talked by the libbies in terms of time.

Because clearly the President, who is the driving force behind health-care reform, should give the whining, obstructioninst party who are in the distinct minority a whole lot more time to talk.

[Jet Gorgon]

and out-talked by the libbies in terms of time.

Because clearly the President, who is the driving force behind health-care reform, should give the whining, obstructioninst party who are in the distinct minority a whole lot more time to talk.

In the true spirit of bipartisanship, like, a key purpose of this little pow-wow. This "summit" kinda backfired on bamboy, didn't it? So the libbies are furiously working on how to make their healtchare-monster bill a budgetary concern so they can nuke it thru. Poor bamby, he's forgotten about JOBS already, thanks to his obsession with libbie-style healthcare reform.

[Boon Mee]

Obama says he's not a socialist

Obama says he's not a socialist | Video | Reuters.com

[blackgang]

Obama Giving Black Farmers $1.25B in Reparations
Sunday, 21 Feb 2010 09:55 PM

By: Theodore Kettle
Black farmers – possibly over 70,000 of them – will get cash payments and debt relief from the federal government totaling $1.25 billion, in reparation for alleged racial discrimination suffered under the Department of Agriculture’s loan programs, the Obama Administration has agreed.
The president announced the deal on Thursday, applauding Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and Attorney General Eric Holder for “bringing these long-ignored claims of African American farmers to a rightful conclusion.”
The Washington Post called the settlement “part of a wider effort by Obama and senior officials to dispense with lawsuits stemming from America’s checkered civil rights legacy.”
House Majority Whip and Congressional Black Caucus member James Clyburn cheered the deal. “History has taught us to never give up when fighting for what is right,” he said in a statement. “What happened to these black farmers was wrong, and we now have the opportunity to make it right.”
Clyburn said, “I thank President Obama for his leadership on this issue” adding that “I especially want to congratulate my colleagues in the Congressional Black Caucus for keeping the focus on the plight of black farmers.”
Congress, as well as a federal judge, will have to approve the deal. The Justice Department told the Post that claims up to $50,000 will be able to be made to the government through a streamlined process, while larger claims will require more detail in the evidence a victim provides of government discrimination. The charges made by thousands of black farmers, with culpability finally accepted by Washington, accuse the USDA of decades of racist practices.
That $1.25 billion is only a fraction, however, of the sum that the reparations movement has called for to compensate for all the injustices committed against blacks in American history.
The National Legal and Policy Center some years ago examined slave reparations activism and found one proponent calling for the federal government “to pay $500,000 to every slave descendant,” which would total “more than $15 trillion and require a surtax of roughly $50,000 on each non-African American man, woman and child in this country (the median family income is not even that high).”
Another estimate from a 1990s Harper’s magazine article calculated that reparations would cost $97 trillion – based on 222,505,049 hours of forced labor between 1619 and 1865, plus 6% compounded interest.
Pointing to “the staggering breadth of America’s crime against us,” TransAfrica founder Randall Robinson in his book, “The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks,” argued that “Solutions must be tailored to the scope of the crime in a way that would make the victim whole. In this case, the psychic and economic injury is enormous, multidimensional and long-running. Thus must be America’s restitution to blacks for the damage done.”
According to the reparations mindset, therefore, President Obama’s $1.25 billion for 70,000-plus black farmers is hardly even a beginning.

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Note:
What other country has treated the blacks this good in the 20th century.
If the blacks don't like it here they should go back to Africa.
It was their own countrymen who sold them into slavery to be sent to America, and this still goes on today!

[barbaro]

^ BG, where is this from? Thanks.

[S Landreth]

^Newsmax.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-reparations-black-farmers/2010/02/21/id/350458

[Jet Gorgon]

^ Here's one site, Milkie. You think it's a lie?
Newsmax - Obama Giving Black Farmers $1.25B in Reparations

Black farmers – possibly over 70,000 of them – will get cash payments and debt relief from the federal government totaling $1.25 billion, in reparation for alleged racial discrimination suffered under the Department of Agriculture’s loan programs, the Obama Administration has agreed.

Discrimination against white Americans. Fek off.

[MrG]

It's a settlement of lawsuits, not an Obama giveaway. From the same site It posted above:

The Washington Post called the settlement “part of a wider effort by Obama and senior officials to dispense with lawsuits stemming from America’s checkered civil rights legacy.”
The Washington Post called the settlement “part of a wider effort by Obama and senior officials to dispense with lawsuits stemming from America’s checkered civil rights legacy.”

Correcting the bone-heads is getting tiring.