Thread: Is everyone an atheist?

Originally Posted by wandering

Originally Posted by DrB0b

That's very nice but it's not evidence, is it? Not in any sense normally contained in the word "evidence" anyway. I said nothing about my experiences, by the way. Is your assumption that you know something about me based on the same kind of "evidence" as you claimed for the existence of God?

I obviously don't know anything about you. That's not my point. I am trying to say that I can assume that all humans on earth have had different experiences which may impact on their views of the world.
And you are right that my experience is not "scientific evidence." What I said is that it was personal evidence to me in the same way that it is evident to me that you are more interested in fighting than dialoguing. In fact, your hostile style of writing is similarly rhetorical to that of an imman or a televangelist wanting to pick a fight.

Give me an Ay-MENN! Can you feel the love, touch the screen, touch the screen, HALLELUJAH, oh yeah, etc.

Your experience is not evidence in any sense whatsoever. Never mind, as you were, carry on, your tribal sky-deity may be able to explain the difference between evident and evidence to you next time you attempt to bribe him with prayer.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Not in any sense normally contained in the word "evidence" anyway.

Isn't the lack of evidence one of the most important things about Faith?

^^
you're an atheist aren't you Bob.

Personal experience and perception can be very compelling.

It is not "scientific" evidence, as pointed out already.

Of course, with the piss-taking and animousity prevalent here, I doubt there will be any details forthcoming.

Seems this "religion" forum is a playground for militant atheists to spout their platitudes.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Your experience is not evidence in any sense whatsoever. Never mind, as you were, carry on, your tribal sky-deity may be able to explain the difference between evident and evidence to you next time you attempt to bribe him with prayer.

It seems to me that you have confused the definition of the word "proof" with the word "evidence."

evidence:
something which provides ground for belief or disbelief:
A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment:
Plainly visible; to be seen:
your basis for belief or disbelief; knowledge on which to base belief; "the evidence that smoking causes lung cancer is very compelling"
Evidence in its broadest sense includes anything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion.

And, no, I didn't ask a diety:
I asked Google.

Originally Posted by wandering

And, no, I didn't ask a diety: I asked Google.

Brilliant, have a green!

Originally Posted by wandering

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Your experience is not evidence in any sense whatsoever. Never mind, as you were, carry on, your tribal sky-deity may be able to explain the difference between evident and evidence to you next time you attempt to bribe him with prayer.

It seems to me that you have confused the definition of the word "proof" with the word "evidence."

evidence:
something which provides ground for belief or disbelief:
A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment:
Plainly visible; to be seen:
your basis for belief or disbelief; knowledge on which to base belief; "the evidence that smoking causes lung cancer is very compelling"
Evidence in its broadest sense includes anything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion.

And, no, I didn't ask a diety:
I asked Google.

Good for you. The definition is accurate, with that in mind please demonstrate the truth of your assertion that there is a God. What grounds do you have for this belief and how is it plainly visible? If you'd like the evidence for the causal relationship between smoking and lung cancer I'd be happy to provide you with links, that, at least, is not a matter of faith.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Not in any sense normally contained in the word "evidence" anyway.

Isn't the lack of evidence one of the most important things about Faith?

We're not talking about faith. He claimed to have evidence.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by wandering

And, no, I didn't ask a diety: I asked Google.

Brilliant, have a green!

What's a diety, a God with a weight problem?

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

^^
you're an atheist aren't you Bob.

No, I'm not.

Originally Posted by spiff

Personal experience and perception can be very compelling.

It is not "scientific" evidence, as pointed out already.

Of course, with the piss-taking and animousity prevalent here, I doubt there will be any details forthcoming.

Seems this "religion" forum is a playground for militant atheists to spout their platitudes.

Compelling? Yes. Irrelevant too. Compelling isn't necessarily true. Sure it's not scientific evidence, but what kind of evidence is it? Forensic evidence, as in "the body of Christ"? Specifically what type of evidence are we talking about here?

And, as I said just up there^, I'm not an atheist, it is of course an easy assumption to make, isn't it? So much easier than dealing with any of the more difficult or complex aspects of belief and disbelief and the many shades of gray in between. Could you point out some militant atheist platitudes on this thread? I seem to have missed them, the only platitude that really stands out is the one about dismissing those you don't agree with as "militant atheists".

Originally Posted by DrB0b

No, I'm not.

good lord.

I think am.

This issue is debated all over the world. Here are some articles that explore the possibility of a link between prayer and healing.

NLR Special Report: The Astonishing Healing Power of Prayer : National Lyme Report
Link between Faith, Health and Healing ( Our forefathers believed it some of us...)
Faith Healing – FREE Faith Healing Information | Encyclopedia.com: Find Faith Healing Research
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^
well, now we know you is mental.

^I knew it from the start

^
yes, but he has provided pretty conclusive evidence.

^I didn't need evidence. I had faith.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by spiff

Personal experience and perception can be very compelling.

It is not "scientific" evidence, as pointed out already.

Of course, with the piss-taking and animousity prevalent here, I doubt there will be any details forthcoming.

Seems this "religion" forum is a playground for militant atheists to spout their platitudes.

Compelling? Yes. Irrelevant too. Compelling isn't necessarily true. Sure it's not scientific evidence, but what kind of evidence is it? Forensic evidence, as in "the body of Christ" Specifically what type of evidence are we talking about here?

It is hinted at in the post you responded so harshly to: "Personally, I feel that I have encountered enough evidence to make me comfortable with the existence of a "God"." Irrelevant???

And, as I said just up there^, I'm not an atheist, it is of course an easy assumption to make, isn't it?

Sure, and it appears I was wrong in your case, but note that my comment was about this forum section in general.

So much easier than dealing with any of the more difficult or complex aspects of belief and disbelief and the many shades of gray in between.

On the same level as snapping at someone who tentatively tests the waters with a carefully worded comment.

Complexities - ah yes, like this one?

Originally Posted by DrBOb

Give me an Ay-MENN! Can you feel the love, touch the screen, touch the screen, HALLELUJAH, oh yeah, etc.

Originally Posted by DrBOb

Could you point out some militant atheist platitudes on this thread?

On queue: "well, now we know you is mental." - from a so-called moderator. LOL

^not a platitude, try again

Originally Posted by spiff

On queue: "well, now we know you is mental." - from a so-called moderator. LOL

lol.
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Originally Posted by spiff

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by spiff

Personal experience and perception can be very compelling.

It is not "scientific" evidence, as pointed out already.

Of course, with the piss-taking and animousity prevalent here, I doubt there will be any details forthcoming.

Seems this "religion" forum is a playground for militant atheists to spout their platitudes.

Compelling? Yes. Irrelevant too. Compelling isn't necessarily true. Sure it's not scientific evidence, but what kind of evidence is it? Forensic evidence, as in "the body of Christ" Specifically what type of evidence are we talking about here?

It is hinted at in the post you responded so harshly to: "Personally, I feel that I have encountered enough evidence to make me comfortable with the existence of a "God"." Irrelevant???

Hinted? Are you another person who doesn't know what evidence means? If he meant that he believes in God he should have just said so and not dragged the concept of evidence into it. Yes, his compelling feelings are not evidence and therefore, as evidence, irrelevant.

Originally Posted by spiff

Originally Posted by Drb0b

And, as I said just up there^, I'm not an atheist, it is of course an easy assumption to make, isn't it?

Sure, and it appears I was wrong in your case, but note that my comment was about this forum section in general.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

So much easier than dealing with any of the more difficult or complex aspects of belief and disbelief and the many shades of gray in between.

Originally Posted by spiff

On the same level as snapping at someone who tentatively tests the waters with a carefully worded comment.

Complexities - ah yes, like this one?

Originally Posted by DrBOb

Give me an Ay-MENN! Can you feel the love, touch the screen, touch the screen, HALLELUJAH, oh yeah, etc.

No, not like that one, that was heavy-handed irony, not complexity. Most people find it remarkably easy to tell the difference. There's no need for you to play dumber than nature made you. It's possible that thinking is not something that comes easily to you but even a 5 year old with ADD would be hard put to make a comparison between somebody taking the piss after being compared to a televangelist and the complexities of faith and theology. You really need to try harder at this, you have the desire to debate but not the ability, perhaps you'll get better with a year or two of hard practice.

On a war-path tonight? Or has Ant borrowed your password?

Maybe if you put that hammer aside for a moment, some sort of sensible exchange could happen.

Originally Posted by spiff

Maybe if you put that hammer aside for a moment, some sort of sensible exchange could happen.

Now that's a platitude. See, I told you if you practiced you'd get better . I'm going to bed now but tomorrow we'll see if you're ready to try for a cliché.

Ah, a fast learner I see, your debating skills are coming on in leaps and bounds.

Is everyone an atheist? 19-09-2008 01:28 AM spiff twat