Thread: Bush's Good Ideas

This has gone way off topic, not surprising really, considering the diffuculty of sustaining a three page thread on "bushs good ideas".

Texpat has read nothing but pentagon propaganda for 20 years, don't confuse him.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Our military has shown the Chinese military that our troops will fight for years and are still willing to fight.

Not without oil and a huge debt in USD that the Chinese hold. You are super screwed, and since you live in lala land, you can't even grasp the ramifications of that reality.

Originally Posted by attaboy

As far as vulnerable is concerned, the US military has shown itself to be very adaptive in Iraq. Incompetent? That statement is nothing more than a wind up. The rest of your post is only passing gas.

Adaptive ? they are getting hammered, question of time before they leave Saigon style. You need to wake up, atta, you are seriously delusional.

Originally Posted by justwingit

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

The only thing that springs to mind is his attempt to create a temporary work permit program

but the inherent divisive nature of rovian strategy left him with no allies on either side of the aisle...so this too failed.

bush accomplished little more than bankrupting the country and destroying what was left of its reputation.

god bless america

.... and everyone else.

Hammered? Surely Butterfy you are in a fantasy world mate - leading cause of yanks deaths are IED. 4K is small % considering how many those nutty fanatics have lost.

As far China, easy to say fk off when they want to be paid, not mention seize all their assets in yankland including bank accounts. China needs yanks to buy their products.

All this talk about USA could whip China in a conventional war if it wanted to is just typical chest beating. Both countries are armed to the teeth with nukes, so no chance of a fight to the death there. Especially without any good reason for either side.

Dubya's exit is his best idea yet.

"There is good news and bad news for President George W. Bush as he pursues his valedictory tour of Europe this week, according to a new worldwide study by the Pew Global Attitudes Project....

On the one hand, the image of the United States has improved slightly in many countries over the past year. On the other, the new optimism appears to be driven largely by the fact that Bush will soon be leaving office.

The 24-nation survey, which was conducted in March and April, shows that many people who have been following the U.S. presidential race expect U.S. foreign policy to improve when Bush leaves the White House in January.

It also shows that publics worldwide have greater confidence in Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, than in his Republican rival, John McCain, "to do the right thing regarding world affairs." This feeling is strongest in Europe, Australia and Japan, as well as in Tanzania, which borders Kenya, the homeland of Obama's father.

But for the moment the image of the United States remains largely negative, hurt by the war in Iraq and the mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay, Cuba."

Bush's exit helps U.S. image abroad, survey shows - International Herald Tribune

He had executed genocidal murderers Hussein, relatives Uday and Qusay (sp)...and lots of others responsible for the mass genocides of Kurds in Hussein's own country in which he gassed his own people.

Originally Posted by Told Stool

He had executed genocidal murderers Hussein, relatives Uday and Qusay (sp)...and lots of others responsible for the mass genocides of Kurds in Hussein's own country in which he gassed his own people.

Yea but he put Iraq into a perpetual state of civil war which has cost hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. Displaced millions of citizens and made them refugees, destroyed their infrastructure and subsequently forced Iraqi citizens to suffer a huge loss in living standards like no power or water. And now he is trying to force the Iraq government to be the first OPEC country to de-nationalize their oil fields and sign it over to foreign companies.

Yep. GWB is all heart.

Hmmm they were in Iraq, so technically speaking they are his citizens.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Hmmm they were in Iraq, so technically speaking they are his citizens.

Citizenship is completely different.

That statement was that the Kurds were/are are "his own people."

The Kurds are not Turkish, but millions live in Turkey. They aren't Turkish. I have worked with Turkish people. Same as in other countries where Kurds live.

The Kurdish issue in Iraq is another example of how the Middle East was carved up by Western powers, creating nation-states with different ethnic, racial, religious, and cultural groups.

Reminds one of what Stalin did in the Ngorno-Karabach region.

Originally Posted by Milkman

The Kurdish issue in Iraq is another example of how the Middle East was carved up by Western powers, creating nation-states with different ethnic, racial, religious, and cultural groups.

A recipe for disaster as proven in many regions of the world from Africa to the Balkins.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Saddam Hussein never gassed his own people. This is old propaganda. It's a lie and repeated over and over.

i met several kurds burma (6 or 8). they had turkish passports and were full fleged turks having been born in turkey. they do speak a different language but most are multilingual. there has been a lot of intermarriage according to them. they are quite proud of their kurd heritage, language and culture -- and equally proud of being active turkish citizins.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Saddam did torture and execute his own people (Arabic Sunnis & Shiites), but he never gassed them. Kurds are NOT his people. They are ethnically not Arabic, and they don't speak the Arabic language.

i think you are wrong on this, mm.

what is the nationality of a kurdish person, born in turkey, granted a turkish passport and the right to vote?

interested to see further explanation on this point, mm. i am completely missing your point. thanks.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Hmmm they were in Iraq, so technically speaking they are his citizens.

Citizenship is completely different.

That statement was that the Kurds were/are are "his own people."

The Kurds are not Turkish, but millions live in Turkey. They aren't Turkish. I have worked with Turkish people. Same as in other countries where Kurds live.

The Kurdish issue in Iraq is another example of how the Middle East was carved up by Western powers, creating nation-states with different ethnic, racial, religious, and cultural groups.

Reminds one of what Stalin did in the Ngorno-Karabach region.

But they do have a lot of oil up there.

back to the topic,

Bush best idea this year would be to leave the WH, and just fuck off to die somewhere in Texas,

Originally Posted by obsidian

interested to see further explanation on this point, mm. i am completely missing your point. thanks.

I read your post yesterday and agree, mostly.

Yes, the Kurds are proud of their heritage. Yes, some have intermarried in Turkey.

And, Kurds speak Kurdish, and in northern Iraq (in "Kurdistan") the Kurds fly a separate flag, frown upon Arabic being spoken there, and have stated they want a Kurdish independent or semi-independent state.

so, to reiterate: Saddam never gassed his own people - because he (his cousin, chemical Ali) gassed the Kurds in Iraq.

The Kurds are not Saddam's people. (Living in the same political nation-state created by Westerners makes no difference.)

Saddam Hussein's name is Hussein al-Tikriti, because he's from the town of Tikrit, and Hussein is a secular Sunni Arab.

In an interview former South Viet premier KY was asked about what he thought of the plight of the "boat people" He responded, they are not my people. Tribalism really is a nasty business.

Originally Posted by attaboy

He responded, they are not my people. Tribalism really is a nasty business.

A shame isn't it. National borders seem irrelevant in what some people define as "their people". This "us and them" mentality exits in every nation with mixed ethnicities.

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

President Bush's term is mercifully coming to an end in a few months. Although his handler's mistakes were numerous and the painful consequences will be felt by all for years to come I was wondering if he did anything wise or even semi-competent during his tenure? Sure, it would be easy (and lengthy) to list his foibles but what did he and his administrators get right?


The only thing that springs to mind is his attempt to create a temporary work permit program for the illegals (read: Mexicans) in the U.S. I think it was a great idea but the more radical elements of his party shot it down fairly quickly.

Can anyone else think of anything he did/supported over the past 7 years that was beneficial to America?

yes fatten is bank account like his son is doing now

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

He renamed French fries, Freedom fries.

sorry to say french fries does not exists the are Belgian fries an invention when flanders whas very poor and they had nothing else to eat than potatoes fried in piggrease

Flemish Fries isn't as catchy