Thread: HUGE sex scandal with Hilary Superdelgate NY Governor

Originally Posted by chinthee

But, Obama gets the nod I've decided. Sorry Boon Mee, Earl, and Blackgang, and maybe Texpat and others too, but It's time to take a stand. This doesn't mean I'll ever be a weak, limp-wristed, pacifist, tax and spend, pussy liberal. No, we have enough of those on this forum and I'll never be that boys.

^ well, at least you believe in someone rather than a party or a movement like the other drones do,

Originally Posted by chinthee

That is something that is so lacking in this polarized world of left vs. right. Most on the right can't entertain the notion of a democrat, and most on the left can't entertain the notion of a republican.

well, guess what, the right wing nutters actually started all these "liberal" things, actually under Reagan, he was the first starting to demonize democrats, with "liberals" here and "liberals" there, so at the end the Republicans had an interests into "dividing" American, to rule and conquer the American public, that's how it was done.

Agree about the need for moderation, but the right wing nutters need to start first as they are the attack dogs and always thirsty for blood,

Originally Posted by Butterfly

"liberals" here and "liberals" there, so at the end the Republicans had an interests into "dividing" American, to rule and conquer the American public, that's how it was done.

one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on middle class americans....conning them into believing that republicans have their economic best interest at heart. middle american is starting to wake up---unfortunately as their homes get foreclosed--- because you can only fool people for so long.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Congressman Bernie sanders

Senator as of 2006.

and you're right, american is a center-right country. the rabid ideologues who have taken over the republican party are presently attempting to pull the country even further to the right.

The center right is not a bad thing actually, it's just the right wing nutters that are worrisome,

The left in the US is very well balanced and moderate, and that's how it should be

Labels all.

I've always thought the opposite of right was ... wrong.

^ cute, but that doesn't stop the know it all right wingers to be wrong most of the time, maybe their world is upside down

I do think one of the main organs of the Right has been Fox News. Before Fox News, there was not a nonstop TV broadcast platform for the Right wing. And, Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch have certainly crafted it into a powerful propaganda machine. They argue that CNN and the traditional broadcast networks have always been liberal and that Fox was needed to countermand those "liberal" propaganda machines.

I never watched Fox news until living in Thailand. I watch it now at my home in Bangkok because it's the only US news station I get. At my other home in Phuket I have CNN, BBC and others. I'm struck at the comparisons. Fox is truly focused on political events, hammering at the same story from so many angles and for so many days with a view to discrediting Obama. They are doing now with this Obama Pastor race issue.

So, it seems to me that at least Fox News is an example of the fervent nature of the Right wing. As I watch CNN and others, I don't see any blatant pandering to left wing values particularly, and there is certainly much more hard news. However, it is interesting to watch all of them.

I sickened of FOX News after watching them for a year in Udon. I never watched it in the US or Japan. Now I watch CNN Intl and BBC, no Fox available.

While Fox is the worst as far as news-with-an-agenda goes, CNN Intl and BBC are not without bias either. For years CNN operated with impunity and were perceived (often rightly so) to have a anti-government, anti-military, pro-individual rights, fluffy, gay, tree-hugging bent. Call it liberal if you insist.

Fox was an OTT reaction that is frankly an embarassment. We've been over this topic on TD before and I'll repeat, there's very little journalism-without-agenda remaining out there. The divide has no place for a moderate, objective journalist or media. Really sad.

Ever watch Hard Talk on BBC? Same sort of interrupting, defensive, argumentative, shouting match.

Crap too.

There IS a way to ask tough questions without putting the guest on the defensive. Unfortunatley it doesn't provide the requisite drama and controversy demanded of ratings.

Gimme a newspaper anyday. It might still be biased, but at least I'm spared the shouting and theatrics.

Originally Posted by Texpat

For years CNN operated with impunity

I think CNN were more 'liberal' when they were owned by Ted Turner- then again, he was married to Jane Fonda! After it was taken over by Time Warner, it became pretty much middle of the road imo.

Otoh, I think a good, independent media should question the government, and be critical. I don't see this as left wing bias (it applies just as much to left of centre governments actually), rather the job of a properly functioning media in a democracy.

I enjoy and appreciate good investigative reporting.

As for Faux News, what an absolute joke that HANNITY and [colmes] is.

Agree Sabang. Newspapers should serve as watchdogs -- but not only over government. It's an important role of any media and there's a fine line between exposing wrongs and sensationalizing them.

Press freedoms used to come with a responsibility to be fair and objective. Now nearly all popular media are hunkered in one camp or the other.

Originally Posted by sabang

Otoh, I think a good, independent media should question the government, and be critical. I don't see this as left wing bias (it applies just as much to left of centre governments actually), rather the job of a properly functioning media in a democracy.

Agree, and I value the BBC and "Der Spiegel" for this, though both have somewhat slipped in quality in recent years.

The BBC in particular has been subject of attempts at media control by governments in charge.

Originally Posted by chinthee

So, it seems to me that at least Fox News is an example of the fervent nature of the Right wing. As I watch CNN and others, I don't see any blatant pandering to left wing values particularly, and there is certainly much more hard news. However, it is interesting to watch all of them.

Faux is about "mind control" and "forming" opinions, it has nothing to do with news, they use "entertainment" as a way to communicate their hate propaganda, it's an interesting exercise to watch, but still it's as despicable as watching some "hate" group private news channel like the KKK

Originally Posted by Texpat

Ever watch Hard Talk on BBC? Same sort of interrupting, defensive, argumentative, shouting match.

This actually quite a good talk show, very direct, and the questions are right, no attacks, just hard question, no silly hate rants like on Faux,

If leftist values are about "freedom", respect of individuals, and questioning government agenda, then yes it's would be a good thing that news media are leaning to the left, not to the right, as the right have a tendency to suppress those freedom and alienate individuals through hate speech and ideas,