Thread: Hamas Attack, breakout from Gaza many rockets fired

Originally Posted by taxexile

extremist islamist sects, the ones that force their views on moderates, calling for the killing of jews and other non believers, the stoning of women, the execution of gays and the chopping off of the hands of thieves, take the teachings of the koran literally and preach accordingly to their followers,

Probably fair points there..if coming from any other poster than the TD, "eye for an eye", Old Testament Entuisiast.


(or is it"a tooth for a tooth" )

^
Have you tried getting counselling?

That’s for pussies. There is no counselling for the truth, you either accept it or you’re a silly deluded cvunt.

Now, you can get counselling for that Prag.

It’s never too late to atone for your sins in Norn Iron.

Your fucking psycho neurotic addiction to equivalence is the problem David. It’s moral cowardice. The Israelis are the niggers in the woodpile. They caused it, and the application of Occam’s razor is the solution.
Send the Jews in Israel back to Europe and Russia.
Before the Zionist migrations post WW1, Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in harmony in Palestine for centuries. The Zionists fucked it. In their hunger and greed for land that was not their’s to take they’ve created a fucking disaster.
They have to pay.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

You fucking squarehead pig knuckle brained oaf.

Shalom

My money is on Iseral.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

You gormless squarehead, pig gorging, Teutonic twat.

Sholom

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The sooner Iran gets the atomic bomb the better.

Sholem

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

It’s never too late to atone for your sins in Norn Iron.

Sholoim

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Before the Zionist migrations post WW1, Muslims, Jews and Christians lived in harmony in Palestine for centuries.

Shulem

They never lived in harmony my dear. Grow up and learn history, and understand what a terrible disease the human species is.
Speaking of harmony...great song

Displacing Palestinians from West Bank is 'red line', declaration of war: Jordan FM
Expelling West Bank Palestinians an 'act of war': Jordan FM


Don't tell me they are growing a pair of balls in the M.E.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Displacing Palestinians from West Bank is 'red line', declaration of war: Jordan FM
Expelling West Bank Palestinians an 'act of war': Jordan FM


Don't tell me they are growing a pair of balls in the M.E.

Hope they don't declare war, leave women and children behind, and the young men become "seekingasylum" seekers in Europe.

s.a.

Yesterday the secretary general of the UN pronounced that Gaza had now become a graveyard for children

would that be the same UN that ...

Member States Fail to Adopt Amendment Condemning 7 October Terrorist Attacks by Hamas in Israel.



General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling for Immediate, Sustained Humanitarian Truce Leading to Cessation of Hostilities between Israel, Hamas | UN Press

Former Hamas chief ‘behind pro-Palestine Armistice Day protests’

Muhammad Kathem Sawalha is a founder of the Muslim Association of Britain, one of six groups organising the London march on Nov 11

By
Ewan Somerville
and
Daniel Martin,

DEPUTY POLITICAL EDITOR
6 November 2023 • 10:20pm


Mohammad Sawalha
Mohammad Sawalha, seen here in 2007, led the proscribed terrorist group in the West Bank in the late 1980s CREDIT: Richard Keith Wolff/Avalon/Getty Images
A former Hamas chief is behind one of the groups organising the pro-Palestine Armistice Day protests, The Telegraph can disclose.

Muhammad Kathem Sawalha led the proscribed terrorist group in the West Bank in the late 1980s and is alleged to have “masterminded” its military strategy with involvement as recently as 2019, before moving to Britain where he lives in a London council house.

He is a founder of the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB), one of six groups behind the under-fire march in London on November 11, and Israeli authorities claim his son, Obada Sawalha, is now its vice-president.

The revelation comes as The Telegraph has discovered that half of the groups organising the march - who are still defying calls from the Metropolitan Police to call it off - have links to Hamas.

It has fuelled further pressure for it to be cancelled, with the chairman of the all-party parliamentary group (APPG) on anti-Semitism saying that it “proves that these marches are not about peace” and the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism describing this newspaper’s findings as “extremely serious”.

Sawalha, 62, worked as a director for MAB between 1999 and 2007 and helped found it, after being granted British citizenship in the early 2000s. BBC’s Panorama claimed in 2006 that he was “said to have masterminded much of Hamas’ political and military strategy”.


He now lives in a council house in Barnet, north London, but in 2004 he was named as a co-conspirator in a US indictment for having allegedly helped bankroll Hamas and he reportedly took part in an official Hamas delegation to Moscow in 2019 and served on the Hamas politburo between 2013 and 2017.

Another of the Muslim Association of Britain’s three directors, Dr Anas Altikriti, co-founded a group called the British Muslim Initiative with a senior commander in Hamas, Mohammed Sawalha, and Azzam Tamimi who has been described as a Hamas “special envoy” in Britain.

Dr Anas Altikriti


Dr Anas Altikriti, who co-founded a group called the British Muslim Initiative with a senior commander in Hamas, with Jeremy Corbyn in 2003 CREDIT: Sean Dempsey

Dr Altikriti, who has lectured at Leeds University, has written columns for The Guardian defending how “Hamas supports democracy” and insisting that “the Palestinian people have chosen” Hamas “to represent them”.

A British Government review in 2015 claimed that the MAB, founded in 1997, had been “dominated” by the Muslim Brotherhood, a controversial group that the report found had made “support for Hamas” an “important priority”. Hamas’ founding charter says that it is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Government has said association with the group is a “possible indicator of extremism”.

Meanwhile, Zaher Birawi, a leader of the Palestinian Forum in Britain - another group organising the Armistice Day march - was described in Parliament in October by Labour MP Christian Wakeford as having been “designated by Israel in 2013 as a senior Hamas operative in Europe”, currently living in Barnet, north London, not far from Sawalhi, posing what the MP described as “a serious national security risk”.

He also allegedly met Hamas’ senior political leader Ismail Haniyeh in Gaza in 2012 and was pictured with him.

A third group organising the protest, the Friends of al-Aqsa is founded and chaired by Leicester-based optician Ismael Patel who has also visited Haniyeh in Gaza and has joined the Gaza flotilla. According to the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, the Friends of al-Aqsa is “harbouring an intense hatred for Israel, campaigning for its elimination, denying its Jewish character, and supporting Hamas”.

According to the Jewish Chronicle, he was filmed at a rally in 2009 saying: “Hamas is no terrorist organisation. The reason they hate Hamas is because they refuse to be subjugated, to be occupied by the Israeli state, and we salute Hamas for standing up to Israel.”


Responding to The Telegraph’s findings, Andrew Percy, APPG on anti-Semitism, said: “The involvement of these people proves that these marches are not about peace, they are about stirring up Jew-hate and a hatred of Western values.

“They are organised to celebrate the murder of innocent civilians in the most grotesque ways, including ripping out babies from pregnant mothers, cutting off limbs of children and worse still. These people have no interest in peace and it is time the UK stopped indulging their hateful ideology.”

Calling on the police to step in and ban the march, Mr Percy added: “The Met need to prove that they are here to defend the values of the majority in this country - not pander to a perverted ideology - by banning this hate march.”

The Campaign Against Antisemitism said: “These findings are extremely serious, and demand investigation by the authorities. Is it any wonder at the level of anti-Semitic hatred and calls for violence that we have seen at these marches if these are the organisers?

“These revelations are all the more reason for the Met Police to heed our call and ban this weekend’s march. London cannot become a no-go zone for British Jews, yet again, on Armistice Day. What a disgrace that would be to the heroes who fought for our freedom to leave without fear.”

The Community Security Trust told The Telegraph: “On October 7, Hamas finally achieved its long-stated intention to kill as many Jews as possible.

“This barbarism did not cause any change or hesitation in the actions of anti-Israel hate groups, which continue now, exactly as they always do: with calls that most Jews regard as demands for the destruction of Israel, even if they are couched in ways that just about remain within the law.”

and yes, its the telegraph again!

SO WE HAVE VIOLENT ISLAMISTS AND VIOLENT ZIONISTS

On the plus most ordinary peacefUl tolerant folk who respect peaceful co existence , live and let live

Just a moment...

Pretty much a long winded version of Obama saying “nobody’s hands are clean”.

This thread has been dominated pretty much by SA and Tax with clearly different opinions.

If I had to take sides between SA, Tax and the guy in the link … I’m going with the septic lawyer from Georgia.

As one of his commenters said, “So painful to read. So rightly aimed”.

Cheers …

The Left can no longer hide the barbarism of its anti-Semitic worldview

ERIELLE DAVIDSON

7 November 2023 • 3:19pm
Erielle Davidson

On October 7th, 1,400 Israelis were murdered by throngs of Hamas terrorists who swarmed Israel’s southern border, going from house to house searching for civilians to slaughter and broadcasting their savagery for those who were unable to join in the brutality.

The reaction in parts of the Middle East was unsurprising – a mixture of raucous cheers from civilians and endorsements or muted responses from Arab governments.

Amongst America’s progressive Left, the response wasn’t much different. Outside the established wing of the Democratic Party, the modus operandi has been to excuse, celebrate, and whitewash the crimes of Hamas. College campuses across the country have erupted in pro-Palestine protests, framing the violence as “liberation from oppression.” Meanwhile, numerous videos have emerged of individuals tearing down the posters of kidnapped Israelis, claiming the victims to be “occupiers” and “colonisers.”

Prominent progressive intellectuals, such as Judith Butler, have called for an end to Israel’s “genocide” in Gaza and warned that the “structural violence” will only continue to produce “resistance”. Similarly condemnatory comments from members of Congress’ progressive “squad” have been generated with predictable regularity.

For years, the American Left has positioned itself as giving a voice to the oppressed and offering refuge to those suffering; its response in the wake of October 7th has destroyed any uncertainty about its true moral compass. Equivocate or even excusing indiscriminate murder surrenders any vestige of moral high ground the movement once held. All that is left is the remains of Left-wing liberalism and a shell of empty syllogisms.

October 7th has shone a spotlight on a grotesque intersection of the academic Left and visceral anti-Semitism among some groups. The relationship between the two movements is symbiotic and converges on a similar hatred for Jews. The progressive paradigm of the “oppressor and oppressed” has found footing in delusional histories of the origins of the state of Israel.

It doesn’t matter that gay men and women are murdered in Gaza and the West Bank, or that women continue to face oppression and abuse. The progressive Left has decided that effectively embracing anti-Semitism is worth it if it means maintaining fealty to the oppression industrial complex.

Liberalism was once a combination of two principles: procedural liberalism (equal rights for all before the law) coupled with a particular sensitivity towards remedying social and economic inequalities. The “new Left” that has engulfed academia, HR departments and the United Nations cast aside the first principle in a mad quest to deliver social justice to the supposed oppressed. Now every inequality is viewed as the result of actions, real or imaginary, by the assigned “oppressor”, and never as the product of internal dysfunction within a particular society.

Once the “oppressor” and “oppressed” have been assigned roles, the cast is fixed and immutable, remaining unresponsive to changing political, economic, and social circumstances. And because of the racial framing of most politics in America, the initial casting of roles almost always follows perceived racial dynamics rather than of actual interactions between the parties.

As a result, the paradigm is generally divorced from reality. Indeed, for many on the progressive Left, Israel is a “white supremacist” nation oppressing “people of colour,” despite the fact that many of Israel’s Jews are of Middle Eastern or North African descent themselves. Thus, it is no coincidence that Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar once compared the Palestinian plight to the “racist killing” of George Floyd. Even the West’s enemies have picked up on how this works.

While many have expressed shock at the anti-Semitism now on display on the Left, for years now, the dominant voices in this movement have been illiberal ones. What has replaced reverence for Western liberalism is a celebration of brutal savagery, destruction, and death directed towards anyone deemed to be a member of a fixed oppressor group.

Now, it is up to the Right to assume control of the moral high ground: to position itself as pro-civilization and anti-barbarism – and to be unafraid to use such language. We must denounce the atrocities unequivocally and unabashedly.

The alternative consists of watching one side of the political spectrum devolve into barbarism dressed up in academic language. For the sake of civilisation, that cannot be allowed.

and yes, it's the Telegraph!

How many far left wingers will be marching alongside the "free Palestine brigade" on remembrance day?


They really are a bizarre confused rag tag group of radicalised fruit Loops.

What better day is there to March for armistice than Armistice Day ?

it’s a no brainier

Originally Posted by Joe 90

How many far left wingers will be marching alongside the "free Palestine brigade" on remembrance day?


They really are a bizarre confused rag tag group of radicalised fruit Loops.

Do they actually exist, then?

I guess they must do if it's on GB News.