I agree. It isn't difficult to see Hamas for what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
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I agree. It isn't difficult to see Hamas for what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Your side lies constantly, and this post is just more evidence of that. The ceasefire would have been extended if Hamas released all remaining hostages. Instead, they chose war. The source of the violence always starts with HAMAS.Quote:
Originally Posted by pickel
The bigotry of teak doors hamas cocksuckers is so extreme that it could pass as parody.
hamas apologists imply the terror group was so unprofessional that it mixed up the body of shiri bibas, massacred along with her two red-haired children, with that of an unknown palestinian, but that they are capable of providing accurate civilian casualty figures within seconds of an attack.
israel finally struck back in gaza this week, and sure enough every one of the terrorist group’s instant lies about casualties was splashed, uncaveated, on numerous websites. does nobody ever learn?
hamas deliberately puts its people at risk with its urban warfare. it pretends all casualties are civilian; its fighters don’t wear uniforms apart from when they are role-playing in grotesque ceremonies.
You two are a couple of Genocidal maniacs that believe it's okay to drop a 2,000 lb JDAM bomb on a building with 100 civilians in it so long as one lone terrorist is killed. You don't even give thought to how many new terrorists will rise to the cause after that. You claim that civilians aren't dying and Hamas is lying, yet there are numerous videos of children's mutilated bodies pulled from the rubble, as well as Western doctors volunteering their time at risk of a life filled with PTSD, or being bombed themselves, witnessing the carnage and stacks of bodies that are mostly women and children.
Contrary to your belief that there are no journalists allowed there, they are there and Israel has killed quite a few of them.
You parrot the worn out Israeli talking points ad nauseum. Snubbie, you are as fucking deluded as a typical vatnik parroting Russian talking points and look quite foolish doing it. The useful Goy.
You chickenhawks don't even have the courage to admit that you want the entire Palestinian population gone, whether it be by death or forced removal, and don't even recognize that Genocide and Ethnic cleansing are far worse than anything Hamas has done.
You keep saying I'm a Hamas supporter, as you do with anyone that disagrees with Israel, which is just more of the lying Israeli agenda. Show me where I've supported their actions. Put up or shut up.
If I denounce Hamas, will you at the very least denounce Israeli settler violence in the West Bank? I doubt it.
There are a few strawmen in that post. Israel isn't blameless and will make many mistakes. But look who they're up against.
2 different scenarios.Quote:
If I denounce Hamas, will you at the very least denounce Israeli settler violence in the West Bank? I doubt it.
Why not start a thread on extremist west bank settler attacks if you want to discuss that.
What a crock of shit. This simply does not happen, the truth is that you get most of your information from propaganda sources and yes many mainstream outlets are complicit in this parroting HAMAS phony casualty numbers. Many of these so-called "journalists" are muslims who have a deliberate goal to push a false agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by pickel
The reality is that the entire goal of all of this by HAMAS is to sow discontent in western countries. They do this by openly pushing lies and propaganda, it is all agenda driven, just like the pro HAMAS protests right here in the USA.
Why could you not answer Taxi's simple question of a day or so ago?
The answer is it blows the roof off your false narratives. HAMAS is always behind the death of innocents.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
Indeed, they have no more respect for their own civilians than they had for the thousand + they stabbed, raped, captured, short, burnt and defiled on October 7th.
Putting the civilians in the tunnels (what's left of them) is a false narrative snubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
How do you fit nearly 2 million civilians in them? And aren't the tunnels targets?
It still doesn't justify dropping a 2,000 pound JDAM on a building filled with civilians, you indoctrinated mong.
And the rest of what you fuckers have said is just more parroting of Israeli bullshit.
Ever wonder why no other muslim country offered to take in these millions of these "starving" women and children and keep them safe.Quote:
How do you fit nearly 2 million civilians
Didnt hear about Iran offering safety, nor any of the gulf states, the ones happy to host hamas leaders and their billions, nor egypt, nor anywhere else.
Strange, dont you think.
As usual, you miss the point. From the very start of the war that HAMAS started, the Israelis have announced firstly an evacuation corridor, furthermore they announce in advance where they will be bombing.Quote:
Originally Posted by pickel
Everywhere they go they cause disorder.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
Historically, the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
The reality most don't want to recognize.
The other fanciful Kool-Aid is easier to digest.
Maybe it's because if the Palestinians left they wouldn't be allowed back in by the thieving Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
Snubbie, this war started long before Hamas existed and it was Israel that started it with the Nakba.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Do you have anything bad to say about Hamas?
Yes, they're terrorists. They were started and funded by Netanyahu to counter the Palestinian Authority. They don't justify a 2,000 lb bomb on a building full of civilians. Can you imagine if Ukraine used one on a building in Russia full of civilians just because one Russian soldier was in the basement?Quote:
Originally Posted by 39TG
Do you have anything bad to say about Israel?
Prickel
I see what you did there.Quote:
thieving Jews.
So this is about jews, most of whom have nothing to do with israel and dont live in israel, rather than israel then.
The cancer of October 7 denial is spreading.
Its antidote is this forensic account of Hamas’s crimes
As poisonous conspiracy theories multiply on social media, a report led by the historian Lord Roberts lays bare the terrible facts
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21 March 2025 7:11pm GMT
Charles Moore
In modern times, the much greater availability of photographic, video and audio evidence, of DNA and other forensic tests, and the ease with which such evidence can be disseminated ought to help discover true facts. Yet the opposite often happens.
All day, every day, social media pullulates with pictures, recordings etc purporting to prove something. These are frequently lies, but many people, even decent people, believe them and pass them on.
Nowhere is this more apparent than over Israel/Palestine, an issue in which the bastard progeny of Holocaust denial flourish. On October 7 2023, the worst massacres of Jews since 1945 were committed in numerous sites in Israel, near its Gaza border. The day’s death toll was 1,141, from 44 nations, plus more than 200 kidnapped and held hostage.
Video, often on body-worn cameras, texts and phone calls, recorded these attacks. These records were made by the exultant murderers as well as the terrified victims. (Sometimes, in a horrible twist, the attackers used the mobiles of those they had killed or captured to lure their relations towards a similar fate.)
The mass of evidence from first responders, medical services, the Israeli army, police, independent media and survivors also accumulated.
Yet immediately the denials began.
It wasn’t Hamas, people said, or, if it was, the attacks had been solely military – though detailed maps of civilian settlements were found on some attackers and some carried an incubator into Israel to enable them to kidnap babies. There had been no killing of women and children and no rapes, such people said, or, if there had been, they must have been “personal mistakes”. Hamas, said a Hamas leader, “spoke to the families, they ate and drank”. True, sort of: they screamed insults at the families as they killed them. In between bouts of murder, they ate and drank the contents of their fridges.
I experienced directly the success of such denials. Two months after the killings, a moderate Muslim friend well acquainted with the region wrote to me. He said there was no credible evidence supporting claims of heinous acts like rape, beheadings, or burning people alive. Such statements had been made, he thought, to garner international support for Israel’s invasion of Gaza.
If such a distinguished and educated Muslim whom I greatly respect could believe such falsehoods, what hope for the Muslim masses?
A poll last year of British Muslims taken by the Henry Jackson Society found that only 25 per cent believed that rapes or murders had taken place on October 7. To me, this was not particularly surprising, given the successful spread of absolute untruth.
Which is why the report published this week by the commission of the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) for UK-Israel, chaired by Lord Mendelsohn (different from Lord Mandelson), is so important. It organises, relates and explains all the events of that terrible day, giving some necessary before-and-after, but avoiding theorising and polemic.
Every site of a killing is named and every victim, and, where known, how each victim died. Here are the 30 named communities, mainly kibbutzes, attacked, the story of the rocket barrages and border breaches, of assaults from land, sea and air (paragliders) on Bedouin villages, military facilities, Israeli cities, the Nova festival (the latter the scene of the greatest carnage), and more.
The report, pulled together by five scholars under the leadership of the historian, Lord Roberts of Belgravia, also describes the variety and incidence of atrocities – torture, sexual violence, the desecration and kidnapping of corpses, hostage-taking, looting, the deliberate killing of civilians, women and children and the terrorist livestreaming of such things.
Everything is evidenced, footnoted. Every dead person is indexed to where he or she died. This completeness and accuracy, like the systematic recording and commemoration first used by the British in the First World War, is simultaneously a way of honouring the dead and a work of history.
At the beginning of the book, a timeline usefully takes the reader through from 6.15 on the morning of October 7 to the last attempted attack on the afternoon of the following day. It is punctuated by little Union flags to indicate the points at which British Israelis were killed or kidnapped.
At the back, 17 British are listed. They include murdered 12-year-old twins and also a 22-year-old man, Aner Shapira, who kept throwing back grenades chucked into a bomb shelter by the terrorists. He successfully returned seven but was killed by the eighth. I noted that the British Broadcasting Corporation was not present at the report’s launch in Parliament last week and did not cover any aspect of it.
I would strongly urge anyone to read this report, especially as it lets the facts speak for themselves, though the horror is too great for me to dwell on it here. I draw only on a couple of examples whose poignancy strikes me.
One tells of Aviv Kutz, a graphic designer who, following incendiary kite and balloon attacks from Gaza in 2018, had launched an annual Kites for Hope event. He, his wife and three children were all murdered in their mamad (safe room), clasping one another’s hands. In his house was found the family’s “peace kite” he had planned to launch that very day.
Another was Netta Epstein, whose mother Avelet addressed us at the report’s unveiling. Netta and his fiancée Shavit were hiding in the bedroom, having learnt that his uncle and grandmother had been killed elsewhere on the kibbutz, the latter shot on her mobility scooter. The terrorists threw three grenades into the room, the second injuring the couple. As the third grenade rolled across the floor, Netta, militarily trained, threw himself on top of it, dying, but saving Shavit. She survived by lying still under his body for five hours as terrorists returned to loot the house and shoot from its windows.
The report carries scores of such stories of courage in response to barbarism.
Reading this uniquely powerful history prompts a question which, given its carefully defined task, the report does not ask. Why do many people want both that Jews be kidnapped, tortured and kidnapped, and to deny that such things happened?
I doubt Muslim Arabs are uniquely wicked people. History everywhere shows repeatedly that human beings, in certain moods, like to slaughter perceived enemies. It also shows that, at many periods, Christians have been equally ready to kill in the name of their beliefs.
Yet ideology is in there somewhere. All the victims were innocent, but the October 7 killings were not mindless. Two sets of ideas combine. The first, mainly a Muslim view, is that white Christians, chiefly the British – with their accomplices/controllers the Jews – conspired to break the Muslim ummah (global community) by inventing the Holocaust and giving the Jews the Holy Land, thus causing suffering unparallelled anywhere else ever.
The other, mainly a white Western view to be found in places like David Lammy’s Foreign Office, the BBC and our universities, is that first the British and then the Americans (also goaded on by “Zionists”) wished – and still wish – for racist imperialist reasons to crush the wretched of the earth. And for this, we must do eternal penance.
This strange coalition of ultra-strict, pseudo-religious non-European fanaticism and ultra-liberal European guilt has a division of labour. The fanatic, usually non-white, rushes in to kill. The guilty liberal, usually white, stands ready to excuse such actions. In a free society, this is a literally lethal combination.
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There goes tax again, pushing the narrative that anyone that disagrees with Israel's response is a holocaust denier and a conspiracy theorist. I'll give it to the IDF, their propaganda machine is the best in the world.
Well you have made your position quite clear. Its nothing more than jew hatred.Quote:
the thieving Jews.
Perhaps you should read this again,
... i suspect you belong to the second group, the white self loathing liberal.Quote:
Yet ideology is in there somewhere. All the victims were innocent, but the October 7 killings were not mindless. Two sets of ideas combine. The first, mainly a Muslim view, is that white Christians, chiefly the British – with their accomplices/controllers the Jews – conspired to break the Muslim ummah (global community) by inventing the Holocaust and giving the Jews the Holy Land, thus causing suffering unparallelled anywhere else ever.
The other, mainly a white Western view to be found in places like David Lammy’s Foreign Office, the BBC and our universities, is that first the British and then the Americans (also goaded on by “Zionists”) wished – and still wish – for racist imperialist reasons to crush the wretched of the earth. And for this, we must do eternal penance.
This strange coalition of ultra-strict, pseudo-religious non-European fanaticism and ultra-liberal European guilt has a division of labour. The fanatic, usually non-white, rushes in to kill. The guilty liberal, usually white, stands ready to excuse such actions. In a free society, this is a literally lethal combination.
As long as idiots like snubby and tax keep seeing one party being blameless in this dispute, it will continue.
When you take away hope from people, they have nothing to lose.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if it ends with a nuke being detonated in Israel.
The mother of all suicide bombs.
The only ones taking away hope from the palestinians are hamas and their iranian backers. If the hostages are released, it would end tomorrow.
You have nothing to do with Israel and don't live there, yet condone the thievery. Most Jews do. You don't even have the courage to admit it here, but you would love to see all the Palestinians either dead or expelled. Just another cowardly chickenhawk.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
No it wouldn't. And you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
I suffer from absolutely no white guilt. You, like most Jews, probably have the deluded belief that Jews aren't white, though the thieving settlers in the West Bank do look a bit swarthy, but Benjamin Mileikowski is as white as Slavic snow. Netanyahu just makes him sound a little more hebe.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
And then the blue suede shoes would continue to take more land they don't own and build settlements on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by taxexile
Needless to say, this is not a long term solution to the problem.