Thread: Hamas Attack, breakout from Gaza many rockets fired

Originally Posted by helge

You forgot that the UK is also Shangri La and El Dorado.

It's so easy for these tinted types, unlike for veterans who.... (cont'd. p.94)

Lemons

Originally Posted by happynz

The amount of disinformation and misinformation

Just write Bsnubbery for short.

Originally Posted by david44

Ladies and gentlemen tere is sufficient animosity in the war zone, perhaps our contribution can focus on albeit strongly held beliefs and loyalties to childish insults in this thread?

Almost every single other thread however harmless seems to dissolve into a slanging match so there are plenty of other places for old rivalries and old ranocurs

The Abrahamic religious freaks are never going to allow the rest of the world to live in peace. They all suck. We need a big freaking Bible, Torah and Koran bonfire and then maybe it might be possible 1000 years from now when all that bollocks is erased from people’s minds.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Just write Bsnubbery for short.

Says the shit heel who jumped to defend rapists and murderers. You really are a fucking clown.

How about the grandmother that was murdered by your hamas buddies who then proceeded to take her phone, record her brutal murder and then post it on her facebook page for the family to find.



You fucking scumbag. That girl that you make light of who had the bloody bottom if she is still alive is a hostage right now as I type this.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Says the shit heel who jumped to defend rapists and murderers. You really are a fucking clown.

How about the grandmother that was murdered by your hamas buddies

Drunk, stupid, or both?

An Israeli grandmother was murdered by Hamas before footage of her bloodied corpse was filmed and uploaded to her Facebook account to be shared with her relatives.

Footage of Blacha Levenson’s body lying on the floor with “blood surrounding her and men with guns standing above her,” was the first notification given to her family that she had been murdered, and that terrorists had “infiltrated” Israel.

Ms Levenson’s grandson, Yoav Bayder, 24, who lives in Canada, said he was “in disbelief” when he saw the clip while on Facebook checking “everyone [in his family] was alright” amid initial reports of missiles being fired into the south of the country.

Her Kibbutz, Nir Oz, less than a mile from Gaza, was “one of the first” targeted by gangs of armed terrorists.

Children and elderly residents in the “tight knit” community were executed by Hamas gunmen with Kalashnikov rifles at “point blank range”, Mr Bayder told the Telegraph, while others were kidnapped, and women were “raped”.

The bloody scene was repeated in other Kibbutz’ across the south of the country, leaving hundreds injured, missing or murdered.

A message circulated last night saying that Hamas plans to release images of the hostages it had taken during the multi-pronged attack, of which there are estimated to be 150.

Before making off with what survivors estimate to be some 50 hostages from Nir Oz, Hamas gunmen set fire to the settlement, burning “around 100” homes “to the ground”, Mr Bayder said.

Sharon Lifschitz, 52, a lecturer in visual arts at the University of East London, whose elderly parents lived in the kibbutz, said news of the massacre left her in “total shock”.

Ms Lifschitz said when the attack commenced shortly after 6.30am, she heard through family that her parents were heading to a bomb shelter, giving her “hope” that they were safe.
But her mother and father, both in their 80s, have not been heard from since.

Ms Lifschitz stressed that “time is running out” to save her parents, as her mother relies on an oxygen machine, and her father needs regular medication for lung disease.

She said volunteers and survivors have been “trying to work with the Israeli government” to get them to negotiate the release of their relatives.

But Israel’s government has refused to negotiate with Hamas, who has said it will respond to bombs dropped without warning on Gaza by killing the hostages it has taken.

“If your child is kidnapped, you don’t say I’m not negotiating, that just means colluding with the murderer,” Ms Lifschitz said of her government’s bullish response.

Other relatives of those who have been kidnapped say that despite feeling “powerless,” they have been scrambling to do what little they can to get them back, including speaking with the press.

It comes amid speculation senior Hamas leaders may be split over how to proceed with the kidnapped women and children, with one faction vying to release some of the hostages to dent international support for Israel’s planned counteroffensive, according to reports.

Despite the impasse, Ms Lifschitz said that Nir Oz, where she grew up, is a “hard working,” “practical,” and “very able community” that is “doing everything” it can to help survivors.

Measures include raising money for people whose families and homes have been “shattered”, she said.

Around 170 survivors have been housed in Eilat, three hours from Nir Oz, with volunteers coming to provide food and counselling services.

Mr Bayder said his mother, Shay, is currently there, offering a helping hand.

“The things she saw and stories she heard [were so] inhumane, she didn’t want to describe them to me,” he said.

Mr Bayder added that he had also spoken directly to some survivors, hearing “countless stories of kids murdered at point blank range, people kidnapped, women raped.”

He was told that one of his grandmother’s neighbours, who “had a family of three beautiful girls all under six, were “slaughtered”, with their house burned down.

“Another friend’s 80-year-old grandma was kidnapped,” with “no word” from her since, he said.

“But then the amount of support, volunteers really helped her [to get through it] with all their warmth and strength. [There is] solace in their community.”

In the absence of information about their loved ones from authorities, some people have resorted to handing out their pictures to hospitals and providing specialised units with samples of their DNA, to aid search efforts.

Natalia Har-El has not heard from her son, Keshet, 21, since he arrived at the Nova music festival, where at least 260 people were slaughtered.

She received a call from a friend who he was with at 7.30am, saying Keshet had “injured his leg and it’s bad, and that was it. No more information”.

“So I decided to go to Beth-sheba to look for him because if my son is injured I want to be with him,” she said. “I showed pictures, but there was no match with anyone at the hospital at that time, so I went to the police station to open a file on a missing person.”

Ms Har-El said she waited for two days without word from the authorities until they called on Tuesday to say they “didn’t find anything yet”.

“I said ‘you give me a lot of hope’. If he’s not in the hospital it means he’s still alive. This is what I choose to believe, maybe he’s on the other side, but alive.”
Ditza Heiman, 84, is thought to be among the Israelis being held hostage in Gaza.

Her niece, 58, who lives in London and wished to remain anonymous, said she was told by her cousin that Ms Heiman was “moving to a safe room” on Saturday morning, before having “no contact for some hours”.

The next time her cousin phoned her aunt it was “answered by a gentleman with a voice I didn’t recognise, speaking Arabic, saying: Hamas! hamas!”.

“They understandably reacted in shock and put the phone down.”

Granddaughters Mor and Adi Bayder shared tributes to the matriarch and “pillar” of the family on Facebook, revealing they learnt of her death only after “terribly cruel” terrorists “filmed and uploaded” images online.

“I never thought I would reach such a reality at all,” said Adi Bayder in a tribute post.

The two women said their grandmother, whose name has not been released, was a lifelong resident of the Nir Oz Kibbutz, a community close to the Gaza border, and was accustomed to the sound of sirens.

When the unprecedented incursion by Hamas into Israeli territory began, the Bayders said they called their grandmother on the phone.

“She told us that she was OK,” Adi Bayder said. But a short while later, she had stopped answering calls.

In a separate post, Mor Bayder said: “A terrorist came home to her, killed her, took her phone, filmed the horror and published it on her Facebook wall. This is how we found out.”

She paid tribute to her grandmother, calling her “the purest thing in the world, the light of my life, my whole world”.

Israeli TV channels said the death toll from the Hamas attack had climbed to 900 Israelis, with at least 2,600 injured and dozens taken captive.

Among the Israeli dead were 260 mostly young people gunned down at a desert dance party. A day later, dozens of survivors were still emerging from hiding.

Gaza’s health ministry said at least 687 Palestinians had also been killed and 3,726 wounded in Israeli air strikes on the blockaded enclave since Saturday.

Apartment blocks and hospitals were among the sites attacked, according to media reports.

Other members of the Bayder family said they were sharing news of their “beloved grandmother” so that the “whole world would hear and know” about the massacre in Nir Oz.

“We won’t sit quietly until everyone returns in peace,” the family said, in reference to the Israelis still being held hostage by Hamas.

In her tribute, Adi Bayder said: “How do you get on with life without her at all? But we have to because that’s how she would want it, she would want us to stay strong and united and that’s how it will be.”

Meanwhile, a British-Israeli woman has told The Telegraph of the horrific moment when Hamas terrorists stormed into her mother’s home in a kibbutz while they were speaking on the phone, and hijacked her WhatsApp messages.

Ayelet Svatitzky said she immediately called her mother, Channah Peri, 79, when she woke up on Saturday and heard that Hamas had stormed into their home in Nirim kibbutz.

Ms Peri suffers from diabetes, which requires frequent injections of insulin. Her fate is currently unknown, but it is feared that she and one of her sons, who has UK citizenship, are hostages of Hamas.
“I woke up Saturday morning at 8am, I heard my husband on the phone which was strange – it was a Saturday [the Jewish sabbath],” Ms Svatitzky told The Telegraph.

“He told me something is happening in the south. I called my mum who lives on a kibbutz called Nirim. I called her and told her to go into the safe room and not open the door because there was a terrorist invasion in the kibbutz.

“She said the house isn’t locked. Then the door opened while I was on the phone and I heard someone speaking to her in English in an Arabic accent.”

Ms Svatitzky hung up and called her brother, Nadav Popplewell, 51, a British-Israeli citizen, who lives next door. She also heard someone speaking to him in English with an Arabic accent.

Minutes later, she received a chilling WhatsApp message on her phone – a picture of her mother and brother sitting in the living room.

Then a second message arrived, saying: “Hamas.” An armed terrorist was visible in the background.

As the terrorists continued to post images from her mother’s phone, Ms Svatitzky tried without success to contact her other brother. She later learned he had been murdered by Hamas, shot dead in the kibbutz.

“At night time when the army got to the house, I got informed by the kibbutz that my Mum and brother were not found, presumed kidnapped,” she said.

“My mother is 79 years old and diabetic, she uses insulin, my other brother is also diabetic. She can’t survive without insulin.”

British authorities have made contact with the family, she said.

“As for the Israelis, I think they are still trying to sort through the chaos... we want proof of life, there are so many elderly and young children [kidnapped], people of all ages with medical situations,” she said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...sted-facebook/

Originally Posted by Edmond

Drunk, stupid, or both?

You clearly are both runt with an emphasis on the stupid. Keep digging.

IMHO

It may be doghouse time as usual suspects take to attacking each other rather than comment on the news and action

Old bitterness between religions being mirrored.

There are combatants and non combatants, innocent people on allsides are as usual that awful term "collateral damage".

Hands up who actually lived in Israel for one year....


Which subforum is that tosser Luigi's thread about his one year living in Israel in?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

No-one ever sees the IDF shooting kids for throwing stones.

They are just as barbaric as the extremists, only not quite as creative.

Complete BS. Israel is a democracy there is nothing close on the other side, and you have no proof at all, however the proof of hamas barbarism is right in the open for all to see.

HAMAS=ISIS/ISIL


Would you do this to your child?...

https://twitter.com/LernerIsaak/stat...36152167280777

Are you a roundhead, BSnub?

Anyway as i posted before, Sabra and Chatila……..so bollocks to your democratic, cuddly, fair minded IDF crap.

Also, according to the UN’s OCHA stats, since 2008 the Palestinians have suffered over 6,000 deaths at the hands of the IDF, 1,400 of whom were children and over 150,000 injured, whereas the Israelis have suffered in the same period 308 fatalities, 25 of whom were children and 6,300 injured.

So, case closed. Israeli subjugation of Palestine is brutal, disproportionate and quite evidently merciless.

They’ve had it coming for years.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

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Probably too subtle. And rather than "attempt to invade" i would have gone with "attempt to wipe them off the map".

My guess would be they are prepared to turn the middle east into a sea of glass before they let anyone herd them meekly into gas chambers again.

But what do i know. I will defer to the plethora of middle east experts on the board who can effortlessly unravel 3,000 years of history.

The whole region is a basket case. They can't make sense of it after 3000 years. How the fuck are we supposed to?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Says the shit heel who jumped to defend rapists and murderers. You really are a fucking clown.

How about the grandmother that was murdered by your hamas buddies who then proceeded to take her phone, record her brutal murder and then post it on her facebook page for the family to find.



You fucking scumbag. That girl that you make light of who had the bloody bottom if she is still alive is a hostage right now as I type this.

I saw the footage it was brutal , she was covered in blood . Was thinking the stains on her ass was shit. So terrified she must of been , still can't unsee that shit in my mind

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

So, case closed. Israeli subjugation of Palestine is brutal, disproportionate and quite evidently merciless.

It is far from cased closed, you utter condo dwelling moron. As I said before, there is no parallel on the Israeli side, you continue to post unsubstantiated nonsense.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Are you a roundhead, BSnub?

Anyway as i posted before, Sabra and Chatila……..so bollocks to your democratic, cuddly, fair minded IDF crap.

Also, according to the UN’s OCHA stats, since 2008 the Palestinians have suffered over 6,000 deaths at the hands of the IDF, 1,400 of whom were children and over 150,000 injured, whereas the Israelis have suffered in the same period 308 fatalities, 25 of whom were children and 6,300 injured.

So, case closed. Israeli subjugation of Palestine is brutal, disproportionate and quite evidently merciless.

They’ve had it coming for years.

Oh hear we go , thailands most miserable expat turns up. With his pearls of wisdom .That dental surgeon cooonty will be along soon to , no doubt

Originally Posted by bsnub

It is far from cased closed, you utter condo dwelling moron. As I said before, there is no parallel on the Israeli side, you continue to post unsubstantiated nonsense.

So, do you suffer from dyscalculia or are you simply stupid.

More word salad from the wongamat wombat.

Given the thread does not concern fellatio, whores or alcoholism, what exactly is your interest here BLD?

Originally Posted by Edmond

Hands up who actually lived in Israel for one year....


Which subforum is that tosser Luigi's thread about his one year living in Israel in?

Not me and never had any interest. As a matter of a fact I left the USS Saratoga from the Read Sea early cause I wanted to get to Hawaii sooner. Couple days later the ship pulled into Haifa and about 20 of my Shipmates dies in a ferry boat accident. This was back in December 1990. The place is cursed.

20 Confirmed Dead in Ferry Accident - The New York Times

But a fellow TEFLer who I worked with back in the day is there and posts daily what’s going on. An Indian feller.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Given the thread does not concern fellatio, whores or alcoholism, what exactly is your interest here BLD?

I could ask you the same question .

Originally Posted by david44

It may be doghouse time as usual suspects take to attacking each other rather than comment on the news and action

They don't know how mate. Shrinks have a name for it. OCPD.
Now it's in Speakers Corner. Next step, doghouse.

Originally Posted by Norton

They don't know how mate. Shrinks have a name for it. OCPD.
Now it's in Speakers Corner. Next step, doghouse.

All going fine until sausages turned up.?