Surely you understand the modern state of Israel was created by Zionists.
Other religious minorities have chosen unpopulated areas like the Mennonites in Paraguay, others like the Quakers, Shakers, Anabaptists Moravian Christians who went first to Ireland then America, many, not all, escaping Catholic Bishoprics in central Europe and Habsburg Hohenzollern Austrian states.
For the survivors of the holocaust the third Reich experience led to the desire for their own place at any price after the Huns had been so beastly.
A lot age old of European anti semitism was based on myths of blood of Christ, child murder and usuary repeated by Catholic Austrian Schickelgruber and unemployed or underemployed poorly educated German victims of WW1. Of course we mustn't forget the Belgian Rexistes, Irish Blue shirts nor Danish Nazi minority who piled in when Hitler was in the ascendant.
I wish you a good weekend in tolerant Denmark. I might suggest from recent visit to Norreport that the sole tension seems to be the unwillingness of some muslims to integrate into the largely godless paradise that is multi cultural Denmark.
There's one thing for sure, Netanyahu needs a distraction to help him in the polls and he'll squeeze every drop out of this. Politicians love a good war.
Yes
Need you ask really?, I ma quite happy to be teased or derided and I may not be as well educated as you but am well aware of the 19th century origins and the Basel conference.
Despite fading eyesight I can recall learning Herzl and the inter war settlers, in the era when non existent mandate had PALESTINE STAMPS
In my best Poster thread there are images of the Palestine Line ships.
I won't nitpick on your spelling, as non native speaker that would be ungracious.
I am am pretty ignorant about Danish collaboration under The Nazis and the current Hamas structure but I think I could write a chapter on pre war Zionism and how many liberal Jews including in Israel abhor its inherent its exclusivity, arrogance, racism.
Many Israelis were demonstrating against Benji including serving IDF members until September so this unity appeal is timely.
On 3 September 2023, Youth Against Dictatorship released an open letter signed by 230 Israeli high schoolers in Tel Aviv, who collectively refused to serve in the IDF, citing their opposition to the judicial reforms and a refusal to serve Israeli settlements.
Makes you wonder if normally excellent Shin Beit were really unaware of such large movements on the Gaza fence?
Sure they could cut wires and tunnel and odd paraglider but without any up to date knowledge Israel had some of the finest drones, embedded spies and contintelpro cyber capability .
You started with the 'surely' thing
Yes
We started out in this little sideshow with your blame on religion as the main reason for the disaster.
I'd agree on it being the main ..excuse.
Herzl was secular.
Surely you know that
You can point them out or try to understand. Either works for me.
Much to old to learn and english isn't that easy.
I have noticed that natives struggle too
There are many moderate and probably nice people there too, which is why I won't take the BSnub approach, and demand the place turned in to ....glass
Hard to believe, isn't it ?
Zionism(e) comes in many shapes and colours
I can't name them all, but 10-20 different directions would be a guess
American Christian Zionism(e) is the worst in my opinion
By the way:
We have had these "debates" before.
Was it PatsyCat or Natalie 8, who was very passionate about all things Israel ?
Ph would also participate
Israel manufactures and launches some of the best spy satellites in the world. The nonsense being spouted by mainstream news that it was a "major intel failure" is bs. They knew!
Can only speculate as to why Israel knew and did nothing but could be the US brokered near finished deal between Palestine and Isreal which contained major consessions to Palestinian freedoms was the reason. Something the hard leaning faction of the government was dead set against. So as oft the case they needed an incident. A Hamas attack did just that.
Why Hamas planned and carried out the attack at this time could well be simply because it was the near 50th anniversery of the Yom Kippur War.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"
Using your theory, I would guess that Hamas must be an asset of the Israeli government, they coordinated this together.
They didn't know. It will be found out that there is an extensive tunnel network under Gaza, and most of Hamas moves underground.
Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels - Wikipedia
Pretty remarkable that you and others here would not be aware of this.
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They didn't know.
were you cheering on the ira as well when they were planting their bombs in london.
the palestinians are being used as pawns in a game played by the jew hating regime in iran. hamas and hezbollah are their proxies. had the ragheads of gaza negotiated sensibly then they too would have been a rich thriving state like israel by now, but they are pariahs, no muslim state has ever helped them, other than with arms and muscle, they are hated even by their neighbours the egyptians. the population are kept in abject poverty by hamas and hezbollah in oder to foment their hatred. i have been to gaza, have you? i thought not. they have never ever wanted a peaceful settlement because they are murderous pigs. end off.
sometimes you have no idea what you are talking about. this is ALL about religion you blinkered ex pen pushing regulation obeying thoughtless lickspittle of a civil servant.
stick to what you know best, slagging off the thais and leave the big international stories alone.
Solidarity, 7/10/2023
Israeli settlers storm Jerusalem's al-Aqsa, march through Palestinian neighbourhoods
MENA
1 min read
The New Arab Staff
03 October, 2023
"Scores of Israeli settlers stormed Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa Mosque on Tuesday under police escort, the Palestinian Authority’s official Wafa news agency reported.
More than 200 settlers entered the compound and performed Jewish rituals in front of the Bab al-Qattanin gate, a source at the Islamic Endowments Department told The New Arab’s Arabic-language sister site Al-Araby Al-Jadeed. The settlers were led by far-right extremist rabbi Yehuda Glick.
Settlers also provocatively marched through Palestinian neighbourhoods near to the mosque.
Jewish extremists have increasingly tried to storm the mosque in recent months, performing provocative religious rites there in violation of a long-standing status quo, which while allowing non-Muslims to visit the site, only permits Muslim prayer there."
Israeli settlers storm al-Aqsa, perform Jewish prayers
"Imagine the reaction in the Christian world if Muslims entered St. Peter’s Basilica and forcibly ejected Christian worshippers from that sanctuary. Maybe that parallel example will help you appreciate why muslims, not just Hamas, are reacting with such vitriol."
A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.
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