Hanoi Jane

**Eliminator** · 25-11-2007, 10:45 AM

Sent to me by a friend:

SHE REALLY WAS A TRAITOR!!

She really

was

a traitor

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED
KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS

AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older

brothers

and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of

the

"

100 Women of the Century."

�

BY BARBRA WALTERS

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed

during

Vietnam

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot

The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

�

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF

Survival

School

was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the "

Hanoi

Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean

PJ's

, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
"Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane

treatment

" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was

dragged

away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward

on

to the

camp

Commandant

's feet, which
sent that officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied

application

of a wooden baton.

From 1963-65, Col. Larry

Carrigan

was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his

family

only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and

clothed

routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to

get

word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number

on

it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane

treatment

from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each

palmed

her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed

him

all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel

Carrigan

was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we

know

of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor
in

Vietnam

, and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in

South Vietnam

in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one

year

in a cage in

Cambodia

; and one year
in a "black box" in

Hanoi

.
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me

Thuot

, South

Vietnam

, whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."

�

When Jane Fonda was in

Hanoi

, I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would

be

willing to meet with her.

�

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"

humane

and lenient."

�

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,

and

beaten with a bamboo cane.

�

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda

soon

after I was released. I asked her �
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.

�

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify

someone

who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are

covered

with the blood of so many patriots.

�

There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in

blatant

treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many

people

as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and

she

needs to know that we will never forget.
RONALD D. SAMPSON,

CMSgt

, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO
EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF
ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER
STATUS WILL CHANGE

In Memory of

my brother -in- law

LT. C.Thomsen Wieland

who spent 100 days at the
Hanoi
Hilton

She really was a Traitor

**Begbie** · 25-11-2007, 10:57 AM

Eli

Could you edit the font colour, very difficult to read.

If what is stated is true then she should be prosecuted.

**barbaro** · 25-11-2007, 10:58 AM

As for Vietnam,

If an American or any other foreigner went there to support a government, but knew little of the culture, history, and language - then they are a fool.

I have no sympathy.

After hacking up Ngo Dien Diem in 1963, the US should have stayed out of this internecine conflict.

It didn't happen though.

**lom** · 25-11-2007, 11:02 AM

Hmm.
I find it very strange that 39 years has passed without she being prosecuted meanwhile. If this has happened...

**November Rain** · 25-11-2007, 11:10 AM

OMG! That part about handing over the slips of paper is horrible. Is there any other documentation to verify what's being claimed? If it's true, I don't know how she can live with herself. She certainly shouldn't be honoured.

**lom** · 25-11-2007, 11:17 AM

There are several 'Urban legend' accounts of Hanoi Jane's treason and treachery. The most popular is attributed to F-4E pilot, Jerry Driscoll. This alleged incident is proveably false, even by Driscoll himself. For the truth in Jane Fonda's crimes and disgusting behavior, read the book titled: Aid and Comfort, written by Henry and Erika Holzer.

Traitor Jane Fonda

**sabang** · 25-11-2007, 11:19 AM

If the story is true that she immediately handed in slips of paper surreptitiously passed to her by POW's, then that is despicable. However, to accept this story at face value I would require more evidence than the word of one overzealous 'patriot'. Hanoi Jane still incites strong emotions because of her very public opposition to the Vietnam War.

The fact remains, she was right to oppose the War, as subsequent events have proved. It is written into history now, hardly even debated. Neither the VietCong or US military can take any pride in their conduct during the war, but the South Vietnamese military were the absolute worse.

**sabang** · 25-11-2007, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by lom

There are several 'Urban legend' accounts of Hanoi Jane's treason and treachery. The most popular is attributed to F-4E pilot, Jerry Driscoll. This alleged incident is proveably false, even by Driscoll himself. For the truth in Jane Fonda's crimes and disgusting behavior, read the book titled: Aid and Comfort, written by Henry and Erika Holzer.

Traitor Jane Fonda

Aha! I suspected as much.

**Norton** · 25-11-2007, 11:26 AM

Yes, I saw the article in the OP some time ago and as much as I "wanted" it to be true, I did a little digging and could only conclude it is a fabrication.

**raycarey** · 25-11-2007, 11:41 AM

i admire fonda for the courage she demonstrated.

30 odd years ago she put everything on the line (her career, her well being, her safety, her reputation, etc...) for something she believed in.

you'll note that 30 years ago dick cheney got 5 deferments because he had 'other priorities'.

**sabang** · 25-11-2007, 11:44 AM

Lest we forget- Mohammed Ali took a very courageous stand too, and paid the price.

Then returned to become World Champion, again. Salutations to a True Champion, and a man of Integrity.

**Norton** · 25-11-2007, 11:48 AM

**raycarey** · 25-11-2007, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Mohammed Ali took a very courageous stand too

that's the truth.

**Boon Mee** · 25-11-2007, 06:19 PM

Man...what more can be said about this POS that hasn't already been said.

Bottom line: She should have been put on trial for sedition, aid & comfort to the enemy and a whole host of related crimes. Times change tho and her celebrity status saved her. If she were to have been just another Toyko Rose, she would have been put on trial at the very least.

If she ever does another book-signing thing and I'm in the neighborhood...heh - I hate Red Man, Skoal etc but I'll make an exception for her!

**sabang** · 25-11-2007, 06:29 PM

^ I thought she was very sexy in Barbarella.

**raycarey** · 25-11-2007, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Bottom line: She should have been put on trial for sedition, aid & comfort to the enemy and a whole host of related crimes. Times change tho and her celebrity status saved her. If she were to have been just another Toyko Rose, she would have been put on trial at the very least.

actually, the bottom line is that these type of charges were never filed and she went on to become a successful actress and business woman.

**Boon Mee** · 25-11-2007, 06:33 PM

^
Again, only due to her name and who her father was.
Successful? Hardly...

**raycarey** · 25-11-2007, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Again, only due to her name and who her father was.

so let me make sure i understand....she wasn't charged with "sedition, aid & comfort to the enemy and a whole host of related crimes" because her father was an actor?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Successful? Hardly...

In the course of her career, Fonda has received seven Oscar nominations, winning twice.

In 1982, Fonda released her first exercise video, titled Jane Fonda's Workout, inspired by her best-selling book, Jane Fonda's Workout Book. The Jane Fonda's Workout video eventually sold 17 million copies, the most of any home video ever.[3] The video's release led many people to buy the then-new VCR, in order to watch and perform the workout in the privacy and convenience of their own homes. Fonda subsequently released 23 workout videos, five workout books, and thirteen audio programs.

Jane Fonda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**barbaro** · 25-11-2007, 06:51 PM

I believe in the freedom of speech.

If Jane Fonda wasnted to make statements and visit this nation, which was a nation-state, that's her choice.

The fact that some people still get worked up over what she said and did in 'Nam 40 years ago - proves - that she did the right thing.

And the losers don't like it.

**lom** · 25-11-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

And the losers don't like it.

Not only that.
They dislike her so much that they will use blatant lies in order to
discredit her.
And by doing that, they have shot themself in the foot.

**Boon Mee** · 25-11-2007, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

I believe in the freedom of speech.

If Jane Fonda wasnted to make statements and visit this nation, which was a nation-state, that's her choice.

The fact that some people still get worked up over what she said and did in 'Nam 40 years ago - proves - that she did the right thing.

And the losers don't like it.

Look up the definition of "Sedition" will you?
Giving aid & comfort to the enemy is a crime punishable by death. She's lucky she didn't get shot. The "Losers" are the ones who follow her idology like blind sheep...

**raycarey** · 25-11-2007, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

She's lucky she didn't get shot.

so why didn't she? oh yeah, that's right....because her father was an actor. heh

**November Rain** · 25-11-2007, 08:32 PM

Until recently, I was under the impression that she just spoke out against the war in Vietnam (as many others did). I supported both her right to do that & the fact she did.

However, I didn't realise (being British & born in '69) that she had actually been to Vietnam & met with POWs & the military govt in North Vietnam. Whether these (above) claims are true or not, the fact that she did nothing to aid her fellow countrymen being held in abominable conditions (& we all know that's true) whatever her views of the validity of the war itself, make her pretty reprehensible, IMO.

**raycarey** · 25-11-2007, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by November Rain

the fact that she did nothing to aid her fellow countrymen being held in abominable conditions

what fact is that?

**Norton** · 25-11-2007, 08:56 PM

Even in the turbulent times, Jane's trip to Vietnam was considered more than a little over the top. The trip in and of itself would have probably been forgiven. However, the release of this photo by North Vietnam was the final straw for the troops and to this day, she will not be forgiven by the majority of them.

She has since on many occasions apologized. Two examples:

In 1988 - "I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families. [...] I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft gun, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless."

In a 60 Minutes interview on March 31, 2005, Fonda reiterated that she had no regrets about her trip to North Vietnam in 1972, with the exception of the anti-aircraft gun photo. She stated that the incident was a "betrayal" of American forces and of the "country that gave me privilege". Fonda said, "The image of Jane Fonda, Barbarella, Henry Fonda's daughter ... sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal ... the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine." She later distinguished between regret over the use of her image as propaganda and pride for her anti-war activism: "There are hundreds of American delegations that had met with the POWs. Both sides were using the POWs for propaganda... It's not something that I will apologize for." Fonda said she had no regrets about the broadcasts she made on Radio Hanoi, something she asked the North Vietnamese to do: "Our government was lying to us and men were dying because of it, and I felt I had to do anything that I could to expose the lies and help end the war."

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