Thread: The British Prime Minister - for as long as there is a Great Britain

Don't worry Symp i have you covered when the UK goes to the polls within the next 13 months, i'll be voting Labour

i foresee 10 years of Labour, should see me into retirement

Just a moment...

The only chance the Tories have of any seats in the next 12 years is proportional representation . All those years with idiots like Corbin running labour and no chance of getting in and the Tories have completely blown it, they make the four lions look competent. The party of business, they couldn't run a lemonade stall at a village fete.



Tories facing general election wipeout with just 130 seats, says polling guru

Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives are looking at the ‘worst outcome in the party’s history’, says UK’s top polling guru

Rishi Sunak’s Conservatives are facing their worst ever result at the general election and could be left with just 130 seats, according to Professor Sir John Curtice.

The country’s top polling guru warned of the bleak situation faced by the Tories as they head into winter with the news dominated by infighting over the prime minister’s Rwanda deportation plan.

Prof Curtice said Mr Sunak’s party would be “lucky to win [many] more than 200 seats” and could see an even worse result if its dire poll ratings continued.

“If these patterns were to be replicated in a general election, the outcome for the Conservatives could be bleak indeed – maybe as few as 130 seats, the worst outcome in the party’s history,” he wrote for The Sunday Telegraph.

The outcome would be even worse than the 165 seats the Tories were left with in 1997, when the party, then led by John Major, was thumped by Tony Blair’s Labour – which won a landslide 179-seat majority.

With Labour enjoying a consistent polling lead of close to 20 points, Prof Curtice said voters appear to have “stopped listening” to the Tories on the big issues.

He warned Mr Sunak that his recent anti-immigration push had “not gone well”. The elections expert said it looked like the Rwanda bill “could divide the party just as [Theresa] May’s ill-fated Brexit deal did in 2019”.

On the major split currently looming in response to Mr Sunak’s plans, Prof Curtice wrote: “Divided parties rarely prosper at the polls. In pursuing their disagreements with Mr Sunak over immigration, Tory MPs should realise they are potentially playing with fire.”

He added: “Even though the polls have repeatedly indicated that the government’s Rwanda policy is relatively popular – at least among those who voted Conservative in 2019 – the first polls since this week’s developments suggest they also are unlikely to move the electoral dial.”

He continued: “We should not be surprised. Although many 2019 Conservative voters are unhappy about the level of legal and ‘illegal’ immigration, those who feel that immigration has gone up a lot are not especially likely to say they will not vote Conservative again.”

There is speculation at Westminster that Mr Sunak may be forced into a snap election in the early part of 2024 if he struggles to get his Rwanda bill through parliament.

But cabinet minister Michael Gove insisted that Mr Sunak’s government is “not contemplating” holding an early general election if the Rwanda bill is voted down. Asked if it was an option, the senior Sunak ally told Sky News: “No, we’re not contemplating that.”

A group of unnamed Tory MPs have told The Mail on Sunday that they would like to get rid of Mr Sunak – with some even keen to bring back Boris Johnson as leader.

Dubbed the “pasta plotters”, a small group of anti-Sunak MPs and strategists were said to have met at an Italian restaurant to plan “an Advent calendar of s***” for the current Tory leader over the Rwanda issue this December.

“Whatever you feel about him, one thing no one can question is [Mr Johnson]’s effectiveness as a campaigner,” one red-wall MP told the newspaper. But with Mr Johnson out of parliament, the so-called pasta plotters are said to be uncertain who could realistically replace Mr Sunak.

Damian Green – chair of the One Nation wing – offered a warning to any right-wing rebels pouncing on the Rwanda issue as a way to get rid of Mr Sunak.

“Anyone who thinks that what the Conservative Party or the country needs is a change of prime minister is either mad, or malicious, or both,” he told the BBC’s Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg.

Mr Green added: “It is a very, very small number doing that [plotting to oust Mr Sunak].”

Tories facing general election wipeout with just 130 seats, says polling guru | The Independent

Yes, and the plotting to lead the opposition continues.

Some 'In The Thick of It' style nonsense in that account, though.

Unbelievably we could have another Tory leadership election before Labour get voted it

Nothing is unbelievable after the clusterf*ck of Liz Truss.

Whilst i don't agree with some of this, it does shed light on what is a dismal record under the Tories and a very likely and deserved electoral wipe out


The only thing shocking about a 1997-style wipeout is that Sunak might keep 169 seats


It’s one thing to alienate the floating voter, but they’ve been acting like they were their natural supporters’ own worst enemy


AYouGov poll splashed across Monday’s front page foresees a shocking electoral wipeout for the Conservatives on the scale of their 1997 defeat by Labour.


But were you shocked when you saw it? Is anyone really shocked? The only shocking thing about the shock poll, I think, is that it reckons the shockingly bad Tories will manage to hang on to 169 seats.


Wishful thinking, to my mind. A far superior and more reliable opinion poll – the comments under articles like this one in The Telegraph no less – has seen this asteroid coming for over 18 months. It is one thing to alienate the floating voter, but the Conservatives have been governing as if they were their natural supporters’ own worst enemy.


It is hard to overstate the sense of betrayal and anger. Back in October, I said that the Tories would be lucky to retain 150 seats and that was before we heard the Oh-dear-God legal immigration figures.


To wilfully welcome a population the size of Birmingham when your own people are struggling to access healthcare, housing and safe maternity services, which they have paid for out of their taxes, goes beyond mere incompetence. It is plain rude.


A “kick in the teeth”, as Suella Braverman said. Oh, and massively disrespectful of your loyal supporters. Immigration at those levels undermines social cohesion and it stops social mobility in its tracks because too many of our young people, who know they will never own a home and must live in extortionate rented accommodation while they pay off their student loan (like my two, in fact), get despondent and give up.


The UK now has a higher proportion of foreign-born residents than the United States – more than 10 million people, which is 15 per cent of our population and roughly twice as many as it was 10 years ago.




Did any Conservative vote for that? Did they heck. But the people in whom we first placed our trust back in 2010, whose manifesto commitments we stupidly believed, went ahead and did it anyway. How did Tory MPs come to believe they were better judges of what the country needs than the British voter?


While many who came to this country as immigrants, and the children of those immigrants, are making a fantastic contribution and are every bit as British as any of us, we all know there are a horrifying number of idle ratbags sponging off the efforts of hardworking families, getting priority for social housing, university places and even hospital appointments.


A poisonous minority hates the West while living in the, er, West and enjoying its comforts and freedoms. We don’t want them here.


Record mass immigration “and under a Conservative government”. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve read or heard that incredulous rider. People say it all the time: The highest taxes for 70 years “and under a Conservative government”.


Over 40,000 migrants arriving illegally on our southern coast “and under a Conservative government”.


Blackmailing the motorist into buying EVs they can’t afford and struggle to resell “and under a Conservative government”.


Failing to exploit our own bountiful energy resources by banning fracking and shutting perfectly good coal-fired power stations “and under a Conservative government”.


Pursuing the economic suicide that is net zero, which gives comfort to our enemies and won’t make a gnat’s breath of difference to global carbon emissions, “and under a Conservative government”.


Allowing trans ideology and batshit crazy Marxist identity politics to take root in our schools and institutions “and under a Conservative government”.Hospitals asking male patients if they could be pregnant “and under a Conservative government”.


Ditto “people with cervixes”. Woman. The word you are looking for is WOMAN! “And under a Conservative government.” Putting up thousands of illegal migrants in hotels while our homeless veterans sleep on the streets “and under a Conservative government”.


The British Army no longer regarded by our allies as a top-level fighting force “and under a Conservative government”. The RAF found guilty of discriminating against white men “and under a Conservative government”. Businesses still reeling from lockdown hit with a brutal rise in corporation tax from 19 per cent to 25 per cent “and under a Conservative government”.


It’s hardly an exhaustive list of the unTory abominations we have witnessed over 14 years of Conservative government. Do feel free to add your own.


So, when people shake their heads sorrowfully, marvelling that such and such a thing has taken place under – of all people – a Conservative government there is clearly a residual sense, a powerful nostalgia if you like, that Conservatives would never have allowed it to happen, not on their watch.


Sadly, the party no longer merits the benefit of the doubt. Why should we trust Rishi Sunak? Whenever the Tories appear to be tacking back in the right direction, it turns out to be a minor adjustment; the bare minimum they can get away with without causing a fit of the vapours in Ursula von der Leyen. Or upsetting all those Blue Wall voters they presume are on the Left of the party. (They’re not.)




Things the Conservatives used to be good at, which was often not doing too much, they are now really bad at. People calling themselves Conservative MPs have allowed all of the above list to happen, which tells us that they are imposters.


Because they don’t like or believe in Conservative things; they are liberal globalists who have no particular allegiance to this blessed plot so the dilution of its culture is irrelevant, the comfort and safety of our people unimportant. In fact, many Conservative MPs appear to despise Conservative values, and they loathe those of us who love them. The feeling is mutual, I can assure you.


The Rwanda plan in particular, and immigration in general, are now routinely scorned by so-called One Nation Conservatives as a concern of the “Right of the party” or even the “far-Right” when, in fact, the majority of Tory voters are very concerned indeed. (This is why only 38 per cent of the 13.9 million people who backed Boris in 2019 will definitely vote for the Tories again this year. If they’re lucky.)


On Radio 4’s Today programme, Miriam Cates explained why she, Robert Jenrick and other “rebel” Tory MPs are demanding the Rwanda Bill be tightened up to prevent the farcical merry-go-round of appeals and the disappearance of potential criminals and terrorists.


In November, the Home Office admitted that they do not know the whereabouts of 17,000 asylum seekers whose claims have been discontinued. In a functioning country, that scandalous admission would have seen public apologies and resignations. In Broken Britain, it was par for the course.


As Cates pointed out to a disapproving Mishal Husain (you can practically hear her shuddering fastidiously into the microphone, can’t you?): “The British people have had enough of it.”


A poll in The Telegraph, the Sheffield MP said, showed that “in almost all constituencies in the country the preferred option is for quick detention and deportation (to Rwanda)”. If Cates, an eminently sensible, down-to-earth Northerner is now considered a far-Right trouble-maker, it is hardly surprising that Reform UK is hoovering up Tory votes.


Analysis of that shocking yet not-at-all shocking opinion poll warned that 96 Conservative seats will be lost because Reform will be standing a candidate in every constituency. As if it were Reform’s fault!


Nigel Farage and Richard Tice are not to blame for the fact that former Conservatives cannot bear to vote for a party which has let them down in almost every single regard, even if the alternative is Starmergeddon.




Last week, I interviewed Ben Habib, the co-deputy leader of Reform, for the Planet Normal podcast and was taken aback. Who was this excellent fellow talking with such passion about putting the interests of British people first? Ben sounded, well, he sounded like a Conservative actually.


A sound nearly as extinct as the call of the hooded grebe or the kakapo. If I lived in Wellingborough, where Ben is standing in the forthcoming by-election, I would vote for him like a shot.


Many just like me will feel the same. The Conservatives pocketed our votes and used them to create a country we barely recognise. The UK needs and wants a Right-wing party. If Tory MPs find our views distasteful, other parties are available.


The democratic process, when it swings round every five years, has a neat way of showing an arrogant and imposter government who is boss. The ballot does not lie.


I’m sure the Labour landslide will be every bit as awful as we fear, but true Conservatives will emerge from the rubble and, with our help, they will build again. (Even the Canadian Conservatives managed to recover after losing 167 seats and retaining only two in 1993.)


At least there’s one thing to look forward to. It’s going to be a lot more fun hating a government you didn’t vote for.

Even 169 seats seems wishful thinking for this government

It's going to be a bigger wipeout than '97.

Thoroughly deserved.

Bring it!

Originally Posted by malmomike77

It’s hardly an exhaustive list of the unTory abominations we have witnessed over 14 years of Conservative government. Do feel free to add your own.

Thanks for the invite!
Leaving the European Union “and under a Conservative government”.

Hilarious that the Tory Party thinks another PM no confidence vote and potentially yet another PM before the election will help or have the slightest impact on a wipe out in the Autumn

Rishi Sunak’s Tory critics warn he has six weeks to turn premiership around

With two by-elections and the Budget looming, the Prime Minister is under pressure to improve the Conservatives’ electoral fortunes


Tory critics of Rishi Sunak are warning he has six weeks to improve the party’s electoral fortunes or face more Conservative MPs going public with their discontent.


The two by-elections on Feb 15 and the Budget on March 6 are being earmarked by the Prime Minister’s Tory critics as the next two key tests for his leadership.


Losing the Conservative-held seats of Wellingborough and Kingswood and then failing to appease detractors with suitable tax cuts in the Budget is likely to leave more Tory MP malcontents calling for change.


Sir Simon Clarke was roundly criticised in public by colleagues as he became the second Tory MP to demand Mr Sunak quit as leader in an article in The Telegraph.


Sir Simon was derided as “facile”, “self-indulgent”, “selfish” and “silly” over his warning that Mr Sunak was now an “anchor” on the party’s fortunes.


Downing Street figures were angered by the attack and cast Sir Simon as a lone voice.


Dame Andrea Jenkyns is the only other Tory MP to have publicly urged Mr Sunak to go.


Sir Simon is also now not expected to appear on the platform next month at the launch of the new Popular Conservatism group alongside Liz Truss, the former prime minister.


But in private, some Tory MPs, frustrated by how their party trails Labour by around 20 percentage points in the polls more than a year into Mr Sunak’s leadership, were more sympathetic.


One told The Telegraph: “By-elections are important. If there are wipeouts there, people are going to get even more rattled.


“The Budget is also important because if there is a positive Budget it would improve his standing. But if it doesn’t change the dial that is an issue.”


The importance of the two dates was echoed by other Tories. One figure who was aware in advance of Sir Simon’s provocative article said: “It was about starting a discussion, it was not a coup.


“The conversation will be happening in public now rather than having it in private. Let’s see where it gets to in the next six, seven weeks.”


Much of the internal whispers in Westminster about leadership concern no confidence letters, the means by which a Conservative leader can be unseated.


If 15 per cent of Tory MPs – totalling 53 – lodge a letter of no confidence with the 1922 Committee then a yes-no vote is triggered on whether to keep Mr Sunak as leader.


Given such letters can be submitted privately, the true number of letters already sent is difficult to establish and a point of fevered speculation among Tory MPs and aides.


Even Mr Sunak’s harshest critics believe at most 30 letters have been put in. Others place the number in the mid-20s, and the figure could well be lower. Dame Andrea is the only Tory to have gone public with her letter so far.


Mr Sunak’s critics are a marginalised presence in the parliamentary party, demonstrated last week when only 11 of the 359 Conservative MPs decided to defy the whip and vote against the Prime Minister’s Rwanda Bill.


Tory MPs issued public criticism of Sir Simon within moments of his Telegraph article being published on Tuesday evening.


Dame Priti Patel, a former home secretary, said: “Engaging in facile and divisive self-indulgence only serves our opponents, it’s time to unite and get on with the job.”


David Davis, another prominent Brexiteer, said: “The party and the country are sick and tired of MPs putting their own leadership ambitions ahead of the UK’s best interest.”


Many others took to their shared WhatsApp group to express their frustration.


Sir Simon gave an interview to the BBC defending his decision on Wednesday, saying: “No one likes the guy who’s shouting ‘iceberg’, but I suspect that people will be even less happy if we hit the iceberg. And we are on course to do that.”


Meanwhile, Lee Anderson, the former deputy Tory chairman, said he should have voted for the Rwanda Bill and would take back his old job if asked by Mr Sunak.


Speaking to The Telegraph, the outspoken MP said he should have been “brave” and sided with the Government instead of abstaining in last week’s crunch vote on the latest iteration of the migrant deportation plan.


He also said there is “no chance” of Mr Sunak being deposed before the next election and revealed he would back Donald Trump “by default” if he lived in the US, as he could never vote for Joe Biden.


Downing Street later opened the door to his return, with the Prime Minister’s press secretary saying “we have a lot of time for Lee” when asked if he would get his old job back.

Rishi Sunak’s Tory critics warn he has six weeks to turn premiership around

Ah, the halcyon days of new Labour and the mid 90s.

All coming back with charismatic Keir at the helm.

Or maybe not.

PMQs demonstrates more noticeably each week that Sunak is delusional.

Even Starmer can put the tap-ins away.

He might have a role at The Emirates at this rate.

^ Each of those would make the Tories even less electable. They should be looking for jobs in Rwanda...

This is what our future Prime Minister is really about.

He spent years heading up the CPS as a poster child for rights, except those rights were for criminals - bathed himself in glory whilst lawyer were gaining the system to stop criminals being deported and gained himself a gong in the process. He loves to trot out the tired story about his humble beginnings and how he's a man of the people, course you are Keir. In the meantime for someone from the legal profession which all about precision he spent over a year deciding if a bloke with a cock was a man or a woman. This indecision will colour his leadership, his flagship £28Bn green policy withered only slightly slower than Truss's lettuce and so here we are on the cusp of a general election and no one has a fuking clue what Labour stands for because Keir the cvnt hasn't had the time to tell us.......well he's got time for

Amazing!

After 14 years of judicious economic management by the tories, the country is in recession!

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