Thread: Biden says U.S. willing to use force to defend Taiwan prompting backlash from China

Keep the money rolling ��. Lovin' it. Notice we kicked those former ingrateful wankers decisively out of power Chairman.

You're welcome.

Sorry, but the English have very little to do with our desirable lifestyle. Ganbei!

[QUOTE=OhOh;4425166]Thank you for your reply.
Although your reluctance to discuss my reply to your assertion, suggests you now have doubts:


I will continue with your other assertions, as you have requested:


I agree any Chinese internal disagreements are solvable without any military necessary. As we have seen in the mainland and Taiwan island historically.


I would prefer that NaGastan lives up to their previously signed agreements with China. China has indicated they are less than amused by POTUS saying one thing to China and "delivering" another.


POTUS "promoting" one thing to China and "delivering" another.

Originally Posted by Switch

the Chinese have no experience of running a very big country
I would suggest that the historical actual facts are otherwise:

1. Trade with the world has grown, from 1900 BCE. Utilising different models. Some successful, others leading to ruin.

2. Investments in its own economy and in foreign countries have grown, since the rapprochement/agreement with NaGastan, POTUS Nixon IIRC.

3. China's wealth and assets have grown, one measure is the assets invested in NAGAstan bonds.

4. Many of the world's leading companies have invested in China - mostly making better returns than in their native countries. Too many to list, in multiple low and high-tech industries.

But mostly Chinese citizens have been raised to higher levels of personal opportunities, social advancement, security, health and their horizons continue to be extended.


China is "run on an economy" as adopted by their elected politicians, "with the people, for the people", not the 1%'s pocket books.

When some Chinese entrepreneurs have tried to follow the western "exclusive model", they have been "reminded" to follow the elected government's signposts.


Uncle Sam, possibly.

Chinese communism ultimately fails? What makes you think their model is failing? Representative government, improving citizens lives, successful offering processes to foreign counties, selecting world-class solutions to be utilised domestically/identified as "useful solutions".

One interaction with Chinese entities is thus:

A Chinese government decision to improve a certain sector of their citizens lives is identified.

Some investigations of commercially available native/foreign solutions are made.

A list of possibles are made.

The foreign solution suppliers are engaged by invitation to meet with a selected number of Chinese entities.

Many discussions and trials are approved.

The trials are analysed and one, or more solution providers offering, are adopted commercially.

The most "useful solution", scope, financial terms, historic global acceptance, local support, personal whims .... is highlighted and becomes the China adopted preferred "useful solution".

Roll out, nationwide if required, depending on the type of "useful solution". Does China need 4 or 20 foreign car assembly operations .....

The adopting entities are monitored nationally and "bugs" are corrected or tuned, normally by the supplier, to Chinas processes. Similar to all countries which adopt the "useful solution" every one has different priorities/time scales.

Time-consuming sure, lengthy sure, but the Chinese market it's self, is LARGE, the foreign market adopting a Chinese "official useful solution" is EXTRA LARGE, the solution provider likewise is rather cheerful.

Many worldwide, "official useful solutions" have taken similar routes to success.


The last couple of Chinese and NaGastan video conferences, at leadership level, were even more blistering.


The POTUS request for her not to visit, being ignored, indicates the status/position of the POTUS as being totally ignored.

Which suggests cracks in the current NaGastan leader's ability to manage/some weakness of, international agreements and his own domestic media. Which unfortunately is displayed every time he is in the public domain.

As for the NaGastan citizens enjoying such displays, that I'll leave to its citizens to comment on.


Have I covered your posts to your satisfaction now?

As I intimated in an earlier post. There is little point in me debating this or any other subject with you. You adopt selective text from my posts, then you decide what my position is.

You fail, so there is no point in further debate. Just carry on bebating with yourself. Then I know it’s not worth reading.
Thank you.

No negotiation. Just more arms spending

Taiwan aims for big rise in defence spending amid escalating China tension | Reuters

Originally Posted by aging one

He has spent a month in Asia in his life. That month would be a haze of whores, booze, drugs and motorcycles. A true expert on jack shit.

So you think that living in BKK gives you more authority on Taiwan China relations ?

Originally Posted by OhOh

As you keep statingg. If you wish to clarify which text you are referring to, it might lead to my understanding and reply to your opinions.


You were invited to confirm if I had covered all your opinions you raised in your post.

I highlighted your opinions and posted those that I had not replied to.

Then, as you requested, proceeded by replying to all the points you raised.

Unable or unwilling to continue to debate, here in this tread on TD, opinions that you previously posted, you now fold.

Noted.

I can confirm that your attempt to convert me to your very sad opinion has failed. You rely to heavily on unsubstantiated reports from a single source and you seem to accept these reports without question.

You make too many assumptions, about other posters and sources, that are clearly incorrect. I don’t have the time or inclination to correct all your flawed thinking. That is your problem, not mine.

Originally Posted by Backspin

So you think that living in BKK gives you more authority on Taiwan China relations ?

Most posters are better informed and more thoughtful than you are. This has been explained to you many times, but you choose to ignore it. Your ignorance is bliss. For you!

Originally Posted by Backspin

Yep. He showed weakness. US next provocation is ready to go.

From page 8. As was so obvious to see, ever since Xi cucked, there has been a parade into Taiwan. And eventually he will still have to put a stop to it.

Originally Posted by Backspin

From page 8. As was so obvious to see, ever since Xi cucked, there has been a parade into Taiwan. And eventually he will still have to put a stop to it.

Slandreth buried my post on the previous page

Taiwanese people have lived with this on and off war of words all their life (while merrily trading with and investing in China)- whereas in aussie the 'China threat' has been ramped up in recent years by (mainly Liberal) politicians and certain thinktanks, particularly under the unlamented Morrison government. Actually under the previous Keating and Rudd governments Australia did a sterling job of cultivating China- and benefitted enormously.

As Winston said- "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Originally Posted by sabang

Actually under the previous Keating and Rudd governments Australia did a sterling job of cultivating China- and benefitted enormously.

Until they started pressing chinkystan on human rights and the chinkies started their usual threats and blackmail.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Slandreth buried my post on the previous page

Nobody cares. You really need to be jailed for doing shit like this. Bumping a shit post of yours that nobody cared about.

Originally Posted by sabang

It is rather amusing for someone talking on behalf of the American side to say China is 'failing'.

Originally Posted by panama hat

It's amusing for an Australian Brit talking about the US talking about China on China's behalf.

Originally Posted by bsnub

It is rather sad to see someone speaking from the Australian side with his head all the way up Chinese ass.

Luckily he is in the minority. The ANZUS alliance is unlikely to be affected by a few lemmings like Sabang as it is supported by the vast majority of Australians as well as both major political parties.

Don't you mean AUKUS?

I am an advocate for ANZUS actually, although I think AUKUS is pretty pointless- what does pommyland have to do with remote south Asia these days? I am not an advocate of Australian blowhards gratuitously offending China, and damaging our valuable trade relationship with our dominant trade partner. You can call that what you want, but I call it pragmatism.

Originally Posted by sabang

I am an advocate for ANZUS actually, although I think AUKUS is pretty pointless- what does pommyland have to do with remote south Asia these days? I am not an advocate of Australian blowhards gratuitously offending China, and damaging our valuable trade relationship with our dominant trade partner. You can call that what you want, but I call it pragmatism.

You're an advocate of kissing chinky arse and letting them get away with blue murder.

We know.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Taiwan’s government says the People’s Republic of China has never ruled the island and so has no right to claim it, and that only its 23 million people can decide their future.

That is the key point, isn't it. In reality, it is the ROC that should be demanding that the CCP step aside and hand over the mainland.

America has been flexing pretty hard on the CCP of late, and I love it.

Originally Posted by bsnub

America has been flexing pretty hard on the CCP of late, and I love it.

Out for a Sunday drive and poking a little panda

Originally Posted by sabang

I am an advocate for ANZUS actually, although I think AUKUS is pretty pointless- what does pommyland have to do with remote south Asia these days? I am not an advocate of Australian blowhards gratuitously offending China, and damaging our valuable trade relationship with our dominant trade partner. You can call that what you want, but I call it pragmatism.

I'm sure Neville Chamberlain would've also called it pragmatism.

Xi Jinping is feeling the heat for this debacle. It remains to be seen if the CCP has the sense to remove him at the next party Congress. If they give him another 5 years then it means the party has endorsed this cuckoldery. He sure wouldn't get my vote.

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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

^have anything more current or is just another attempt at “look at me”

Bloomberg News - August 3, 2022

Taiwan to start shooting down Chinese drones

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — The Ministry of National Defense (MND) on Sunday (Aug. 28) announced that soldiers will shoot down intruding Chinese drones that fail to heed warnings after yet more footage surfaced showing Chinese unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) compromising Taiwanese military facilities seemingly unchecked.


Photo and video footage has appeared in recent days on the Chinese social media Weibo showing Chinese (UAVs) blatantly violating Taiwanese airspace and taking close-up footage of Taiwanese soldiers, who in one case were seen throwing rocks at a drone. In the most recent incident on Saturday (Aug. 27), a Chinese drone captured footage of Taiwanese soldiers stationed in a lookout post in Kinmen County's Lieyu Township.


On Sunday (Aug. 28), the Kinmen Defense Command stated that in accordance with standard operating procedures (SOP), the troops fired warning flares at the drone and maintained surveillance and a high state of alertness. It then vowed that when future drone intrusions occur, the Army will take necessary countermeasures to "drive away" the drones, such as sounding whistles, broadcasting radio warnings, and firing signal flares, but if the UAV fails to leave, it will be "shot down."

On Aug. 24, the Ministry of National Defense (MND) said that to improve base and aviation safety and wartime defense capabilities, remote-controlled anti-drone defense systems will be built at 45 facilities across Taiwan from 2022 to 2026. According to Liberty Times, more than NT$4.3 billion (US$141 million) has been allocated to the drone defense systems during this period.


In 2023, the MND will acquire five sets of drone defense systems and 232 jammer guns, with military facilities on outer islands to be prioritized. An official was cited by the newspaper as saying that before the implementation of the drone defense systems, a review will be carried out on the military's existing resources to devise a contingency plan.


Also on Sunday, the MND released a photo on its Facebook page in which it stated that to defend national security, it will take "appropriate countermeasures." Referring to drones and other aircraft that pose a threat to national security and aviation safety, the Armed Forces will "take necessary countermeasures, including driving them away."


According to the KDC, there have been 23 intrusions by Chinese drones over Kinmen County since U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan in early August.

Taiwan to start shooting down Chinese drones | Taiwan News | 2022-08-29 17:37:00