The View, from China

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Originally Posted by sabang

China on Monday issued "The Report on Human Rights Violations in the United States in 2021."(henceforth called “the HR Report”). Before looking at its content, an important observation about “whataboutism” needs to be made: whatever one may think about human rights in China, that doesn’t mean the accusations in the HR Report aren’t correct and shouldn’t be taken seriously. The US has for years, even decades been vehemently accusing China of human rights violations, but such accusations by the US do not make the US immune against foreign criticism.

The US democracy is in a severe crisis, and the HR Report makes the observation, that only 7 percent of surveyed Americans viewed the United States as a "healthy democracy," and 52 percent believed that the American democracy is either "in trouble" or "failing." To reply by pointing at the state of democracy in China is not just deflecting with whataboutism, it also ignores actual research findings: according to the Democracy Perception Index by the “Alliance of Democracies” – an organization founded by ex-NATO general secretary Anders Fogh Rasmussen – about 70% of Chinese respondents say, China has the right amount of democracy, while 14% would hope for more democracy in China. In the USA a meagre 49% find there’s enough democracy, with 28% demanding more. This question does not take into account, how people define democracy when answering the question. But it is ultimately for each country’s own population to decide, whether they consider their own system democratic or not, irrespective of why.

But things get worse for those who thought US democracy superior to Chinese democracy: how many people think their own government only acts in the interests of a minority? In China that’s just above 10%, while in the US around 60% think so. A democratic government by definition must act in the interest of the people. If the people think the government only serves a minority, then democracy has a problem. Especially if that is not just a perception, as in the Democracy Perception Index, but also provable by statistical analysis:

Harvard Professor Lawrence Lessig makes the case that our democracy has become corrupt with money, leading to inequality that means only 0.02% of the United States population actually determines who's in power, in a TEDx talk from 2015. Those are the 0.02% with enough money to make substantial donations during primaries in the US Democratic and Republican Parties. He cites a Princeton study, which found a strong correlation between the opinions of economic elites and special interest groups with the actual outcomes of the governing processes, while the opinions of the general population had no statistical influence on the outcome of policy decision making. Let me repeat: in the US, statistically proven, the opinions of the majority of the people has no influence on the outcomes of government decisions whatsoever.

And nothing indicates that things would have improved since 2015, on the contrary as the HR Report emphasizes: In 2021, 49 states in the United States introduced more than 420 bills that would restrict voting. These bills either reduced the amount of time voters have to request or mail in a ballot, restricted the availability of drop-off locations, imposed stricter signature requirements for mail-in voting, or enacted new and stricter voter-ID requirements, which made mail-in voting and early voting harder and built barriers for the elderly, disabled, minorities and other groups to exercise their voting rights.

Moreover, while one may disagree with the statement, one should be very well aware, that according to repeated studies by the University of Massachusetts, a vast majority (about 75%) of the opposition Republicans are convinced their current president isn’t legitimate. The very purpose of democracy is to give legitimacy to the government. Even when objectively no evidence of fraud was found, in the eyes of the supporters of the US opposition, the current government is not legitimate, and this perception has not shifted over the course of the first year of Biden’s presidency. The HR Report quotes a study by Pew Research finding that only 22 percent (of US Americans) said they can trust the government to do what is right "most of the time."

China has never claimed to be a perfect democracy, in fact the government has made the improvement of socialist democracy in China an increasing priority over the last years, as democracy is included as one of the 12 core values of Chinese socialism. China has over the decades shown great ability in learning from other countries, be it market economy, governance, or other aspects of a political system. But given all the findings about the current state of the US democracy, it is inconceivable why China would even want to learn about democracy from the US in 2021. The question must be asked, what the US can learn from China, to increase its government’s legitimacy and the confidence of the people in their country’s democracy.

(Contributed by Harald Buchmann, Intellisia Senior Research Fellow, for Guangming Online)

China has every reason to worry about the state of democracy in the US
_Guangming Online

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Given the source of your quote, it seems we only have Chinese views on that. You seem to be edging ever closer to OhOhs single sided view of life.

That could result in you walking round in circles, shackled as he is, to such one sided dogma. :)

This thread is titled 'The View, from China' Switch- that should give you a broad hint. :)
Incidentally, no need to copy and paste in full, when a simple this -"^" - will suffice.

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Originally Posted by sabang

This thread is titled 'The View, from China' Switch- that should give you a broad hint. :)
Incidentally, no need to copy and paste in full, when a simple this -"^" - will suffice.

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Yes, but it's not "The View, from chinky state propaganda sources" so when are we going to hear from some actual chinkies? Ah, that's right, if they say bad things they get to go to "re-education camp".

The high approval rate of the Chinese government is real, but you're quite welcome to post 'dissidentsia' here too. I have posted Ai Weiwei- a quite well know dissident.
What self loathing should I feel to have been fortunate enough to have lived in HK 1992- 2004 PH? Seemingly when a whole lot of this stuff was kicking off. The Handover too.

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The high approval rate of the Chinese government is real, but you're quite welcome to post 'dissidentsia' here too. I have posted Ai Weiwei- a quite well know dissident.
What self loathing should I feel to have been fortunate enough to have lived in HK 1992- 2004 PH? Seemingly when a whole lot of this stuff was kicking off. The Handover too.

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It’s the view from China, not the disenfranchised ex HK workrer who hasn’t lived there for how long now?

A long time I guess (I have been back for visits). I started this thread because so many westerners do not really know modern China- I mean just the infrastructure alone, + the progress, changes etc. Given that the "Rise of China" is unquestionably the biggest story of this century so far, and that I personally take an interest in the place, it's people and culture- why not. Nobody is making you read it. Of course I also find it amusing that so many people resent it. :)

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A long time I guess (I have been back for visits). I started this thread because so many westerners do not really know modern China- I mean just the infrastructure alone, + the progress, changes etc. Given that the "Rise of China" is unquestionably the biggest story of this century so far, and that I personally take an interest in the place, it's people and culture- why not. Nobody is making you read it. Of course I also find it amusing that so many people resent it. :)

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It has nothing to do with resentment. It’s about current validation from reliable resources.
Your claims represent wishful thinking on your part, not contemporary reality.

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Your claims represent wishful thinking on your part

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Find a single one of these 'my claims' then, that is not backed up. Put up, or shut up. Now, onwards and upwards (and this one applies very much to you, and several others here):-


What do Westerners get wrong about China?


https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop...imingPixel.pngdiscussion/original content



The biggest misconception of Westerners concerning China applies to the Chinese people.

A majority of Westerners believe that the Chinese suffer from living in a country that is a dictatorship. Westerners believe that the Chinese must have access to a Western-style democratic system in order to be truly happy.

It is a total mistake to think that.

The Chinese have always lived under an authoritarian system and they accept it perfectly in their majority.

The deal is clear: you have to follow the rules laid down by the Chinese Communist Party, and then you can continue to prosper economically.

By following these rules, more than 400 million Chinese have been lifted out of poverty since the early 1990s. This is unprecedented in history.

The Chinese are therefore behind their leader Xi Jinping, because they see that China's extraordinary economic development is ultimately benefiting them.

They are not in love with a fierce need for individual liberties as Westerners may believe.

They even think that the decline of the West is precisely due to their model of democracy. To each his own model of society!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/trwtrv/what_do_westerners_get_wrong_about_china/

Perhaps, when trying to take stock of others cultural values, and opinions, you should first take stock of your own cultural values, and indeed arrogance. I also found this 'opinion piece' quite pertinent- and no doubt provocative to some-


level 1doesntgetsocialcues

·4 hr. ago


The biggest thing is not what they get wrong about China, but what they get wrong about themselves. for example, democracy is inherently good regardless of outcomes to these people. But what does it matter if you voted for the government if the government is ineffective, incompetent, and stupid?

Governing is not a popularity contest. This is not high school where we're picking out the prom king and queen. Good governance is a life or death issue. See covid for an example. You only want the smartest, hardest working, the most devoted to public service, to govern--not some moron who doesn't think climate change exists.

Also westerners talk about people in China losing freedoms for the sake of economic development. This is so enraging. Who cares if you have freedom of speech if you're living in a tent underneath an overpass? What good does that do you? Tell the people who were lifted out of absolute poverty in China if they would like to go back to starvation as long as they can run around without a mask, die from covid, and make Winnie the Pooh jokes. The absolute disconnect from reality is astounding.

Also, do people in America think Chinese people just sit in front of a screen watching big brother all day? They go out to eat. Watch movies. Shoot the shit with friends and family. They enjoy memes, play games and enjoy life. Basically--not every right that matters is a political one and not every act is necessarily political. What type of cereal I want does not require me to have freedom of assembly. Also, anyone who has actually live in the west would immediately know that many of these political rights are just paper tigers. Reciting the bill of rights and the constitution and your right to due process is not going to stop you from being shot for driving while black.

Who cares if you can buy 20 different kinds of ketchup, can watch the bachelor, and say fuck joe Byron, if you don't have health insurance, can't pay your student loans, can't pay rent, and have to deal with crazy levels of gun violence? People in the west think their lives are so much better and that their government is inherently righteous--almost to a religious degree. It is not logical, but inherently biased. A lot of it is racialized as well as they are unable to believe or even consider the idea that a non-European nation could thrive outside of their influence. China is a living contradiction to white supremacy. It stands as a monument to the idea that those of us in the global south who spent literal centuries under a western bootheel are not passive subhumans who can be exploited or enslaved for western profit.

I also don't think they have any idea how short their political memory/attention span is. For example, no American is talking about how after the fall of Soviet Union that there was no reason to continue NATO or no reason to stop Russia from joining. That was not that long ago if one thinks long term. No one in Washington seems to remember their own mistakes, which is convenient. Meanwhile, the Chinese and their government can think back to the Opium Wars to realize their need for a strong military. They keep things in mind like the bombing of their embassy in Yugoslavia. They do not feign ignorance or have historical events go through one ear and out the other.

Overall, before we can get them to admit they're wrong about China, they need to come to terms with the fact that they wrong about themselves.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/trwtrv/what_do_westerners_get_wrong_about_china/i2oipom/?context=3


Of course, these are 'Views' or opinions. From China. Perfectly valid.

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Originally Posted by Switch

Stop repeating yourself

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As you have not attached my post or a reference to it, which would make it much easier for me to understand your allegation, I'm presuming you are referring to this post, which I posted on 29/03/2022:

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference on March 28, 2022

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A link to my previous post of this daily news from China would be sufficient for me to apologise to you.

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Originally Posted by Switch

You posted this Chinese bias already.

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Similarly, with this allegation.

I suspect though you have, once again, made allegations, you cannot substantiate. A trend that is being illustrated in your posts with increasing regularity.

I look forward to your reply, and possibly you or I, eating humble pie.

No reply, will be concluded by me, as an apology from you.

If you are not, what are you referring to?



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Moron EXPOSES Chinese Government by Accident - YouTube

The LAST White Monkey Jobs in China - YouTube

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Originally Posted by sabang

Find a single one of these 'my claims' then, that is not backed up. Put up, or shut up. Now, onwards and upwards (and this one applies very much to you, and several others here):-


What do Westerners get wrong about China?


https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop...imingPixel.pngdiscussion/original content



The biggest misconception of Westerners concerning China applies to the Chinese people.

A majority of Westerners believe that the Chinese suffer from living in a country that is a dictatorship. Westerners believe that the Chinese must have access to a Western-style democratic system in order to be truly happy.

It is a total mistake to think that.

The Chinese have always lived under an authoritarian system and they accept it perfectly in their majority.

The deal is clear: you have to follow the rules laid down by the Chinese Communist Party, and then you can continue to prosper economically.

By following these rules, more than 400 million Chinese have been lifted out of poverty since the early 1990s. This is unprecedented in history.

The Chinese are therefore behind their leader Xi Jinping, because they see that China's extraordinary economic development is ultimately benefiting them.

They are not in love with a fierce need for individual liberties as Westerners may believe.

They even think that the decline of the West is precisely due to their model of democracy. To each his own model of society!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/trwtrv/what_do_westerners_get_wrong_about_china/

Perhaps, when trying to take stock of others cultural values, and opinions, you should first take stock of your own cultural values, and indeed arrogance. I also found this 'opinion piece' quite pertinent- and no doubt provocative to some-


level 1doesntgetsocialcues

·4 hr. ago


The biggest thing is not what they get wrong about China, but what they get wrong about themselves. for example, democracy is inherently good regardless of outcomes to these people. But what does it matter if you voted for the government if the government is ineffective, incompetent, and stupid?

Governing is not a popularity contest. This is not high school where we're picking out the prom king and queen. Good governance is a life or death issue. See covid for an example. You only want the smartest, hardest working, the most devoted to public service, to govern--not some moron who doesn't think climate change exists.

Also westerners talk about people in China losing freedoms for the sake of economic development. This is so enraging. Who cares if you have freedom of speech if you're living in a tent underneath an overpass? What good does that do you? Tell the people who were lifted out of absolute poverty in China if they would like to go back to starvation as long as they can run around without a mask, die from covid, and make Winnie the Pooh jokes. The absolute disconnect from reality is astounding.

Also, do people in America think Chinese people just sit in front of a screen watching big brother all day? They go out to eat. Watch movies. Shoot the shit with friends and family. They enjoy memes, play games and enjoy life. Basically--not every right that matters is a political one and not every act is necessarily political. What type of cereal I want does not require me to have freedom of assembly. Also, anyone who has actually live in the west would immediately know that many of these political rights are just paper tigers. Reciting the bill of rights and the constitution and your right to due process is not going to stop you from being shot for driving while black.

Who cares if you can buy 20 different kinds of ketchup, can watch the bachelor, and say fuck joe Byron, if you don't have health insurance, can't pay your student loans, can't pay rent, and have to deal with crazy levels of gun violence? People in the west think their lives are so much better and that their government is inherently righteous--almost to a religious degree. It is not logical, but inherently biased. A lot of it is racialized as well as they are unable to believe or even consider the idea that a non-European nation could thrive outside of their influence. China is a living contradiction to white supremacy. It stands as a monument to the idea that those of us in the global south who spent literal centuries under a western bootheel are not passive subhumans who can be exploited or enslaved for western profit.

I also don't think they have any idea how short their political memory/attention span is. For example, no American is talking about how after the fall of Soviet Union that there was no reason to continue NATO or no reason to stop Russia from joining. That was not that long ago if one thinks long term. No one in Washington seems to remember their own mistakes, which is convenient. Meanwhile, the Chinese and their government can think back to the Opium Wars to realize their need for a strong military. They keep things in mind like the bombing of their embassy in Yugoslavia. They do not feign ignorance or have historical events go through one ear and out the other.

Overall, before we can get them to admit they're wrong about China, they need to come to terms with the fact that they wrong about themselves.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/trwtrv/what_do_westerners_get_wrong_about_china/i2oipom/?context=3


Of course, these are 'Views' or opinions. From China. Perfectly valid.

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Most people are more sentient than you think.
Chinese poverty was undermined by cheap labour, manufacturing and selling blatant copies of western products. By the time China gets around to producing its own quality products, the cheap labour will be gone, along with the entrepreneurial skill’s that communism has seen fit to demonize as profiteering.

The naïveté is on your side not mine!

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As you have not attached my post or a reference to it, which would make it much easier for me to understand your allegation, I'm presuming you are referring to this post, which I posted on 29/03/2022:


A link to my previous post of this daily news from China would be sufficient for me to apologise to you.


Similarly, with this allegation.

I suspect though you have, once again, made allegations, you cannot substantiate. A trend that is being illustrated in your posts with increasing regularity.

I look forward to your reply, and possibly you or I, eating humble pie.

No reply, will be concluded by me, as an apology from you.

If you are not, what are you referring to?



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You saw fit to announce the press conference, then followed that with propaganda from the conference itself. One or the other please, but not both, which contained repeated Chinese propaganda.

This reply confers no guilt on my part for your obsequiousness in re​peating such obvious nonsense. The fact that you see the information as valid, is your problem, not mine.

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Find a single one of these 'my claims' then, that is not backed up. Put up, or shut up. Now, onwards and upwards (and this one applies very much to you, and several others here)

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So let me get this straight: China is not an authoritarian state run by a dictator because you found a Reddit post that says otherwise?

You fucking chimp you.

:rofl:

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You saw fit to announce the press conference, then followed that with propaganda from the conference itself. One or the other please, but not both, which contained repeated Chinese propaganda.

This reply confers no guilt on my part for your obsequiousness in re​peating such obvious nonsense. The fact that you see the information as valid, is your problem, not mine.

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It really should be posted straight into the drivel thread, no-one reads the shit anyway, including Hoohoo.

Yeh right 'arry-

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Boneheads can troll all they want- intelligent readers just skip that and get to the grist. Sucks e'hh.



Oh, following is one of the wu mao chimps named above. His vieos are light hearted but quite entertaining. This one shows the actual horror of living in China under the Covid nazis. :rofl:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUj4...=LivinginChina

This is how sick these c u n t s are.

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Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi praised Russia for its efforts to "prevent a large-scale humanitarian crisis" in Ukraine, saying that the relationship between China and Russia "maintained the right direction of progress" amid the war in Eastern Europe.

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Oh, following is one of the wu mao chimps named above. His vieos are light hearted but quite entertaining. This one shows the actual horror of living in China under the Covid nazis. :rofl:

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Posts another chinky kiss arse and claims this is how it is for all Chinese.

You really a fucking chimp, one with very few tricks and no good ones.

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Moron EXPOSES Chinese Government by Accident - YouTube

The LAST White Monkey Jobs in China - YouTube

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Thanks for sharing. This is typical of the Junk that Sabang, OhOh and Bacspin are convinced is reality!

They will dismiss it as ‘pro western bias’ of course. :rofl:

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You saw fit to announce the press conference

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Thank you for your reply and the confirmation of which post you were referring to.

A government press conference is IMHO the closes one can get publicly as the "View from China". Which fits the threads title.

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then followed that with propaganda from the conference itself

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You then state that I rambled on
Have a link to my subsequent "propaganda post"?

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One or the other please, but not both

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Have a link to my subsequent post?

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Originally Posted by Switch

The fact that you see the information as valid, is your problem, not mine.

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I don't have a problem meeting the thread's defined purpose.

I do have a problem in fellow TD posters twisting/misquoting my posts. Which you have failed to extract yourself from or appologised for.

Not that you are alone in this respect.

More spiteful chinky vengeance.

Australian journalist faces China trial on state secrets charges

Beware, this post may contain toxic, to some readers, facts.:rolleyes:

It is information released by the male/female Chinese Foreign Ministry. It is posted every Monday to Friday, except public holidays. Questions are put to the spokesperson and fully answered, except where the question has already been answered previously or is more suited to another Chinese Ministry.

As such, it has a Chinese perspective.:)

Any TD members who find it difficult to accept China News, from the horse's mouth so to speak, should ignore all content and move along.

For more acceptable for some, multi gender foreign biased media, 24/7 "rolling news" and foreign government official news/misspeaking, this is not the place you will find it.

Enjoy your day, wherever you lay your head at night.

:)

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference on March 30, 2022

"Bloomberg:

US Trade Representative Katherine Tai said that it was time to forget about changing China’s behavior and instead take a more defensive posture towards the world’s second biggest economy. She said, “The United States has repeatedly sought and obtained commitments from China only to find that follow through or real change remains elusive”. Does the foreign ministry have a comment to this?Wang Wenbin:

As a staunch supporter of trade liberalization and facilitation, China is determined to continue to open wider to the outside world. The Chinese government always supports the multilateral trading system with the WTO at its core, respects market rules, opposes protectionism and is committed to promoting the sound and steady development of the global economy and trade. The label of market-distorting behavior cannot be pinned onto China.

It is the US that has to “turn the page on the old playbook”. It should stop stretching the concept of national security, abusing its technological strengths and global financial hegemony to oppress companies in other countries, and stop bullying practice and long-arm jurisdiction. Such actions seriously violate the principles of market economy and international economic and trade rules, harm the interests of other countries, undermine the security and stability of the global industrial and supply chains, and will only hurt others while doing no good to itself.

PTI:

Who is attending on behalf of the United States at the troika meeting on Afghanistan in Tunxi?

Wang Wenbin:

Special representatives for the Afghan issue of the US, Russia and Pakistan will attend the extended meeting of the China-US-Russia consultation mechanism on the Afghan issue chaired by Ambassador Yue Xiaoyong, Special Envoy for Afghan Affairs of China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Global Times:

In recent years, the Mekong Dam Monitor (MDM) program of the US has released data accusing China’s dams of “contributing to droughts in Southeast Asian countries”. But a team of hydrological experts from Tsinghua University recently found, with the help of satellite remote sensing monitoring technology and data from high-precision real-time monitoring, that MDM’s data is a far cry from the reality. For example, data on the Xiaowan Reservoir for three monitoring periods in 2020 published by the MDM deviates from the reality by three to ten meters. What is the foreign ministry’s comment on this?

Wang Wenbin:

I also noted the research findings of the team of experts from Tsinghua University. The MDM later openly acknowledged the serious flaws with the data it published and made corrections. But some hydrological experts pointed out that the revised reading still has an error of up to eight meters from the actual water level measurement. Major errors like this could lead to wrong conclusion that “Chinese dams have intercepted water”, and may be hyped as “evidence” that “upstream dams are causing drought downstream in Southeast Asian countries”. 

We also noted that some media reported that the so-called dam monitoring program is financially backed by the US State Department, where some of the officials have been making unfounded accusations against China for years on issues related to the Mekong River.

In fact, the international science community and the Mekong River Commission (MRC) have already made a fair judgement on the role of dams on the upper reach of the Lancang River. The MRC acknowledged in its report that cascade reservoirs on the Lancang River store water in the flood season for later use in the dry season, which helps maintain the steady flow of the Mekong. Cooperation on information sharing on the Lancang River has seen thorough development. Since November 2020, China has been providing year-round hydrological information of the Lancang River to Mekong countries and the MRC, making important contributions to sharing the water resources and jointly responding to flood disasters to riparian people’s benefit.

Lancang-Mekong water resource cooperation requires mutual trust and real actions among regional countries instead of irresponsible remarks and moves to sow discord from outside the region. We hope the US can fully respect the efforts of Lancang-Mekong countries in promoting sustainable use of water resources in the region and do more positive and concrete things to boost regional economic and social development.

Reuters:

Before the Beijing Olympics started, the Chinese and Russian Presidents said that the two countries’ cooperation would have no limits. Now if we are widening cooperation now, what does that mean and how much are we widening it in which areas?

Wang Wenbin:

There is no limit to China-Russia cooperation in the pursuit of peace, no limit to our efforts to safeguard security, and no limit to our opposition to hegemony. China-Russia relations feature non-alliance, non-confrontation, and non-targeting of any third party.

Reuters:

You talked a little about the China-EU virtual summit on April 1. What exactly is China hoping to get out of it? Is China hoping to rekindle the investment deal?

Wang Wenbin:

I just shared with you the information on the upcoming 23rd China-EU Summit. I’d like to share more information with you. In his virtual meeting with High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell Fontelles yesterday, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi stressed that as two major forces in a world moving toward multi-polarity, China and the EU should maintain regular strategic communication, continuously enhance mutual understanding, constantly expand cooperation consensus and jointly address various global challenges. The two sides should make good preparations for high-level exchanges going forward to provide strategic guidance for bilateral cooperation and send a positive signal to the world.

The China-EU investment agreement is a win-win deal reached by the two sides through consultation on the basis of many years of mutually-beneficial cooperation and mutual trust. It is an economic and trade agreement with the highest level of openness, lowest market access threshold and the widest range of areas to date on the part of China. It is good for China, and even better for Europe."

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference on March 30, 2022

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Beware, this post may contain toxic, to some readers, facts.:rolleyes:

It is information released by the male/female Chinese Foreign Ministry.

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Chinese Facts is an oxymoron.

You're a different type of moron.

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Chinese poverty was undermined by cheap labour, manufacturing and selling blatant copies of western products.

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Undermining poverty ?
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By the time China gets around to producing its own quality products, the cheap labour will be gone, along with the entrepreneurial skill’s that communism has seen fit to demonize as profiteering.

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I'd agree that an off the shelf "communist state" would disagree with profiteering, but where does China fit in ?

More capitalistic than most other nations in this world.

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The naïveté is on your side not mine!

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What's "on your side" then ?

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Undermining poverty ?
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I'd agree that an off the shelf "communist state" would disagree with profiteering, but where does China fit in ?

More capitalistic than most other nations in this world.




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What's "on your side" then ?

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Poorly paid jobs have at least helped to reduce poverty for the unemployed in Thailand. Due to cheaper labour in communist countries, Thailand has been forced to attempt diversification.

China is one of those countries, ultimately facing a similar future. While China has sought to punish, or limit the fortunes of entrepreneurs, Thailand has no such scruples. Money is their chosen religion.

Do I need to explain it further for your benefit? I honestly thought you were smarter than that. :)

Beware, this post may contain toxic, to some readers, facts.:rolleyes:

It is information released by the male/female Chinese Foreign Ministry. It is posted every Monday to Friday, except public holidays. Questions are put to the spokesperson and fully answered, except where the question has already been answered previously or is more suited to another Chinese Ministry.

As such, it has a Chinese perspective.:)

Any TD members who find it difficult to accept China News, from the horse's mouth so to speak, should ignore all content and move along.

For more acceptable for some, multi gender foreign biased media, 24/7 "rolling news" and foreign government official news/misspeaking, this is not the place you will find it.

Enjoy your day, wherever you lay your head at night.

:)


Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference on March 31/2022

AFP:

Do you have any further details to share about today’s Afghanistan neighboring countries’ meeting?

Wang Wenbin:

State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi chaired the Third Foreign Ministers’ Meeting among the Neighboring Countries of Afghanistan in Tunxi, Anhui Province today. President Xi Jinping delivered written remarks at the meeting, in which he pointed out that Afghanistan is a common neighbor and partner of all participating countries. Linked by the same mountains and rivers, we form a community with a shared future sharing weal and woe. A peaceful, stable, developing and prosperous Afghanistan is the aspiration of all the Afghan people. It is also in the common interests of regional countries and the international community.

Amity and good neighborliness are invaluable to a country. China always respects Afghanistan’s sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, and has committed to supporting its pursuit of peace, stability and development. The coordination and cooperation mechanism among neighbors of Afghanistan, since its launch last September, has endeavored to bring into play the strengths of neighboring countries, thus playing a constructive role in promoting the steady transition in Afghanistan. The neighboring countries of Afghanistan should do their best to build consensus and coordinate efforts to support the people of Afghanistan in building a brighter future.

State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi made three proposals at the meeting. 

First, we should support Afghanistan in finding a path of self-generated development and support the Afghan people in independently deciding the future of their country, ensure that the “Afghan-led and Afghan-owned” principle is truly implemented, realize national reconciliation and unity in Afghanistan, and seek a governance model that suits Afghanistan’s national conditions and responds to the call of the times. We firmly oppose countries from outside the region to create chaos in Afghanistan or use it for geopolitical rivalry. We should encourage and support Afghanistan in establishing a broad-based and inclusive government and adopting moderate and prudent policies, staying committed to good-neighborliness and friendship, and protecting the fundamental rights of all Afghan people, including all ethnic groups, women and children. We should maintain patience and stay the course, steadily seek solutions that address the common concerns and meet the interests of all parties, and work on Afghanistan to fulfill its commitments to others and due responsibilities.

Second, we need to support Afghanistan in pursuing a path of prosperity and progress. Providing humanitarian assistance to Afghanistan is a pressing task, enhancing Afghanistan’s capacity for self-generated development is a long-term goal, and forming international synergy in assistance for Afghanistan is an essential move. China has provided emergency assistance to Afghanistan in the form of food, vaccines, medicines and winter supplies. We are ready to support Afghanistan’s integration into the regional economic architecture and participation in coordinated regional development. We should promote synergy between bilateral and multilateral mechanisms related to Afghanistan and support the United Nations in playing its due role. China respects the leading role of the Afghan interim government in receiving foreign aid and opposes the politicization of humanitarian aid. We urge the US to take primary responsibility as the culprit of the predicament in Afghanistan, stop unilateral sanctions and unconditionally return Afghanistan’s national assets.

Third, we need to support Afghanistan in finding a path of peaceful development. We should help Afghanistan to take a comprehensive and multi-pronged approach to root out terrorism, resolutely crack down on all kinds of extremist terrorist organizations, including Islamic State and ETIM, and ensure that Afghanistan will no longer be a sanctuary, breeding ground and source for terrorist forces. We should address both the symptoms and root causes of refugee and drug issues, help Afghanistan deal with pressing livelihood issues, support Afghanistan in planting alternative crops to jointly eliminate regional sources of drugs.

The foreign ministers of Afghanistan’s neighbouring countries appreciated President Xi Jinping’s important speech, which provided strong impetus for the coordination and cooperation mechanism among Afghanistan’s neighbors. They praised China’s important role in forming synergy among the neighbors and supporting peace and reconstruction in Afghanistan. They agreed that it is important to enhance coordination and cooperation, help Afghanistan achieve peace, stability and economic reconstruction, and support and guide the interim government of Afghanistan to earnestly fulfill its commitments and responding positively to the expectations of the international community, especially its neighbors. They stressed that the US and NATO should shoulder primary responsibilities for Afghanistan’s reconstruction and development and return the assets of the Afghan people as soon as possible. 

The meeting issued the Joint Statement of the Third Foreign Ministers’ Meeting Among the Neighboring Countries of Afghanistan and the Tunxi Initiative of the Neighboring Countries of Afghanistan on Supporting Economic Reconstruction in and Practical Cooperation with Afghanistan. Parties announced the launch of a mechanism for regular consultations among special envoys for Afghanistan and three working groups, namely political and diplomatic, economic and humanitarian, security and stability. Uzbekistan will host the fourth Foreign Ministers’ Meeting among the Neighboring Countries of Afghanistan.

Also, on behalf of all the participants, State Councilor Wang Yi summarized the eight-point consensus reached on the Afghan issue.

First, we should respect the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Afghanistan, support the Afghan people in independently determining the future of their country, and seek a development path that suits their national conditions and conforms to the trend of the times.

Second, we generally recognize the governance efforts of the Afghan interim government over the past half year and call on the Afghan side to realize national reconciliation and unity through dialogue and consultation, establish a broad-based and inclusive government and adopt moderate and prudent policies, and adhere to good-neighborliness and friendship.

Third, we express common concern over terrorist activities in Afghanistan and urge Afghanistan to make a clean break with, resolutely combat and ultimately eliminate terrorist organizations such as Islamic State and ETIM. We should strengthen counter-terrorism and security cooperation among neighboring countries and jointly combat cross-border drug-related crimes in the region.

Fourth, we are concerned about the severe humanitarian difficulties facing Afghanistan, and decide to continue to provide humanitarian assistance to the Afghan people, support Afghanistan’s economic reconstruction and self-generated development, and strengthen regional connectivity.

Fifth, we call on all sides to have contact and dialogue with Afghanistan, support Afghanistan’s economic and social development, oppose sanctions and pressuring, and oppose politicization of humanitarian assistance.

Sixth, we urge the US and some other western countries to fulfill their primary responsibility for Afghanistan’s reconstruction and development, return Afghan people’s assets as soon as possible, and oppose any attempt to create chaos in Afghanistan to cause troubles in the region.

Seventh, we support the UN in playing its due role in promoting peace and stability in Afghanistan and coordinating assistance. We call on international financial institutions to actively inject liquidity into Afghanistan and help the country embark on a path of sound development. 

Eighth, we need to continue to leverage the unique role of coordination and cooperation mechanism of neighboring countries of Afghanistan. We should launch a mechanism for regular consultations among special envoys (special representatives) for Afghanistan of the neighboring countries and three working groups, namely political and diplomatic, economic and humanitarian, security and stability, to follow up on the outcomes of the foreign ministers’ meetings among the neighboring countries of Afghanistan.

Bloomberg:

This morning, the Australian Ambassador to China Graham Fletcher was denied access to the trial of Cheng Lei. Mr. Fletcher said that the consular agreement with China says that his diplomats should be able to attend trials of any kind. Does the foreign ministry have any comment?

Wang Wenbin:

The Beijing No.2 Intermediate People’s Court held a closed-door trial of first instance of Australian citizen Cheng Lei’s case of illegally providing state secrets to foreign forces today. Cheng Lei and her defense attorney were present. Currently, the case is under trial and the court will pass sentence later.

Pursuant to the Criminal Procedure Law of the People’s Republic of China, cases involving national secrets shall not be tried in an open court and no one should sit in. Australian citizen Cheng Lei is suspected of illegally providing state secrets to foreign forces. So this is a case involving state secrets. Therefore, holding a closed-door trial by the relevant court is legitimate, lawful, and beyond reproach.

China is a country under rule of law. The Chinese judicial authorities try cases in strict accordance with law and fully protect the litigation rights of relevant individuals. Relevant sides should earnestly respect China’s judicial sovereignty, and refrain from interfering in the law-based handling of the case by Chinese judicial authorities in any form.

China Daily:

According to reports, China and Solomon Islands signed a security cooperation agreement. Is this the one that was recently leaked and shared online? Can you share more information?

Wang Wenbin:

Upon friendly consultation of China and Solomon Islands and the approval of the two governments, the Chinese Ambassador to Solomon Islands and the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and External Trade of Solomon Islands initialed the framework agreement between China and Solomon Islands on bilateral security cooperation on March 30.

China has made its principled position clear on China-Solomon Islands security cooperation on multiple occasions. Here I want to stress three points:

First, security cooperation between China and Solomon Islands is based on equality and mutual benefits. It is an integral part of comprehensive cooperation between the two countries and legitimate rights of two independent and sovereign countries. It is consistent with the international law and international customary practice, which brooks no foreign interference.

Second, the security cooperation agreement signed between China and Solomon Islands aims to deepen bilateral cooperation in such areas as maintaining social order, protecting people’s lives and property safety, humanitarian assistance and natural disaster relief. It is conducive to keeping the society of Solomon Islands stable, promoting regional peace and stability and increasing the common interests of regional countries. After riots took place in Solomon Islands last November, China provided multiple batches of police supplies and dispatched an ad-hoc police advisory team to help enhance local police capabilities at the request of Solomon Islands. Facts have proven that such cooperation efforts have had positive effects and won genuine popularity among the government and people of Solomon Islands.

Third, the security cooperation between China and Solomon Islands does not target any third parties, is not in conflict with Solomon Islands’ cooperation with other countries, and complements the existing cooperative mechanisms in the region. Pacific island countries offer a big platform for international cooperation and should not be seen as the “backyard” of some country, still less an arena for major-power rivalry. Relevant sides should view China-Solomon Islands security cooperation in an objective and rational light and stop making irresponsible remarks. The attempt to provoke, obstruct and undermine China’s friendly relations with island countries wins no support and will never succeed.

Reuters:

China’s diplomatic and military pressure on Taiwan represents a threat to all democracies and the US is committed to helping the island defend itself. Those were comments from a US official at the AIT. What’s China’s comment?

Wang Wenbin:

The relevant remarks are purely smears and denigration. They represent interference in China’s internal affairs. We urge the US to abide by the one-China principle and stipulations in the three China-US joint communiques, and handle issues related to Taiwan in a prudent and proper manner. 

Shenzhen TV:

According to reports, the US Department of Defense submitted the classified Nuclear Posture Review to Congress on March 28, which shows that the Biden administration will maintain the established nuclear deterrence policies and fails to fulfill the campaign pledge of no first use of nuclear weapons. Japan’s Chief of Cabinet Secretary Matsuno Hirokazu commented on the other day that as a US ally, Japan strongly supports the expression in the report about maintaining and extending nuclear deterrence. He also spoke highly of the US position on reducing the role of nuclear weapons. What is China’s comment?

Wang Wenbin:

We cannot make a comprehensive assessment on the US Nuclear Posture Review which has not gone public yet. Based on the limited information the US has released, we regret to note that the Biden administration has not fulfilled its campaign pledge to give up the policy of first use of nuclear weapons, a commitment expected by the outside world. This will have a negative impact on global strategic stability and the process of international nuclear disarmament.

gJapan, the only country that has ever lived through a nuclear strike, advocates building a world free of nuclear weapons while “strongly supporting” the US in adopting a nuclear deterrence policy based on the first use of nuclear weapons. This fully reveals the hypocritical nature and double standard of Japan’s
policies. I would also like to point out that regional countries and the international community are ravely concerned about the irresponsible remarks made by some Japanese politicians recently on the so-called “nuclear sharing” between the US and Japan.

Japan should earnestly fulfill its obligations under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), its three non-nuclear principles, and avoid doing things that will undermine global and regional security."

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference on March 31, 2022