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    Germans view the US as a greater threat than Russia.

    Thirty-six percent of Germans see U.S. influence as a threat to democracy. The survey also shows that the federal government has lost support in Corona management.

    Frankfurt - What about global democracy? And the influence of which countries threatens democracy in Germany? The answers to these questions are provided by the Democracy Perseption Index (DPI) of the market research institute Latana. Since 2018, the institute has interviewed more than 50,000 people annually from 53 countries around the world. Among them 1009 Germans. The survey is considered representative of about two-thirds of the world's population and is the largest democracy study in the world. The client is the Alliance of Democracies Foundation, which is founded by Anders Fogh Rasmussen, former NATO Secretary General and former Prime Minister of Denmark. The non-profit organization says it is committed to "promoting democracy and free markets around the world."

    The survey, conducted in the spring of 2021, shows that just over 36 percent of Germans see US influence as a threat to democracy. The population in Germany therefore considers the US to be more threatening on this issue than, for example, China (33 percent) or Russia (29 percent). Us influence on global democracy is also viewed more critically. At 51 percent, one in two respondents expressed concerns. Just over 32 percent are positive about the influence of the United States.

    Demokratie-Umfrage: Deutsche sehen in den USA grossere Bedrohung als in China oder Russland | Politik





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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Thirty-six percent of Germans see U.S. influence as a threat to democracy.
    Only 36% ? I thought Germans were smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The population in Germany therefore considers the US to be more threatening.....
    No, not "the population", not all of them. 36% of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    No, not "the population", not all of them
    ...in fact, 1009 Germans...
    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Thirty-six percent of Germans see U.S. influence as a threat to democracy.
    ...gross distortion posted by a grossly distorted individual...

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    US democracy is like Henry Ford's model T color choice "you can have any color you want, as long as it is black"

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    ^^ Very shallow. Unless you are accusing the poster of falsifying information, the survey was carried out by:-

    the Democracy Perseption Index (DPI) of the market research institute Latana. Since 2018, the institute has interviewed more than 50,000 people annually from 53 countries around the world. Among them 1009 Germans. The survey is considered representative of about two-thirds of the world's population and is the largest democracy study in the world. The client is the Alliance of Democracies Foundation
    Here, rather than blathering, why don't you read for yourself. Quite interesting.

    Democracy Perception Index - 2020 - Dalia Research






    Democracy Perception Index - 2020 - Dalia Research


    In Australia, slightly more people have a negative perception of the US effect on democracy, than positive. But you'll be pleased to know that your biggest fan is Nigeria, and Israel luvs ya too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Very shallow
    ...speaking of shallow:
    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...in fact, 1009 Germans...
    ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...in fact, 1009 Germans...
    ...gross distortion posted by a grossly distorted individual...

    Except it was not some gross distortion but a serious poll by a non partisan source.

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    Bigger threat to democracy than Russia or China

    US seen as bigger threat to democracy than Russia or China, global poll finds
    Belief in importance of democracy high in 53 sampled countries but inequality and big tech companies seen as biggest threats

    Wed 5 May 2021 03.00 EDT

    The US faces an uphill task presenting itself as the chief guardian of global democracy, according to a new poll that shows the US is seen around the world as more of a threat to democracy than even Russia and China.

    The poll finds support for democracy remains high even though citizens in democratic countries rate their governments’ handling of the Covid crisis less well than people in less democratic countries.

    Inequality is seen as the biggest threat to global democracy, but in the US the power of big tech companies is also seen as a challenge.

    The findings come in a poll commissioned by the Alliance of Democracies Foundation among 50,000 respondents in 53 countries.

    The results will make stark reading for the G7 foreign ministers as they hold a final day of talks in London in which they have collectively assumed the role as bulwarks of democratic values determined to confront autocracy.

    The survey was carried out by the Latana polling company between February and April, so a hangover effect of Donald Trump’s “America first” foreign policy may linger in the findings. Overall the results show perceptions of the US starting to improve from last year.

    Whereas in the spring of 2020 people in both more democratic and less democratic countries were equally satisfied with their government’s pandemic response (70%), a year later the approval ratings have dropped down to 65% in less democratic countries, but in more democratic countries the rating has fallen to 51%. In Europe the figure is 45%. Positive ratings reach 76% in Asia.

    In perhaps the most startling finding, nearly half (44%) of respondents in the 53 countries surveyed are concerned that the US threatens democracy in their country; fear of Chinese influence is by contrast 38%, and fear of Russian influence is lowest at 28%. The findings may in part reflect views on US comparative power, but they show neither the US, nor the G7, can simply assume the mantle of defenders of democracy.

    Since last year, the perception of US influence as a threat to democracy around the world has increased significantly, from a net opinion of +6 to a net opinion of +14. This increase is particularly high in Germany (+20) and China (+16).

    The countries still overwhelmingly negative about US influence are Russia and China, followed by European democracies.

    The study shows an attachment to democracy globally, with 81% of people around the world saying that it is important to have democracy in their country. Only a little more than half (53%) say their country is actually democratic today – even in democracies.

    The single biggest cited threat to democracy is economic inequality (64%).

    In almost every country surveyed save Saudi Arabia and Egypt limits to free speech are seen as less of a threat to democracy than inequality.

    China: just the right amount of democracy, according to 71% of respondents there.

    But half the people surveyed (48%) say the power of big tech companies, as opposed to the simple existence of social media, is a threat to democracy in their country. Among democracies, the US is the most concerned about big tech (62%), but wariness is growing in many countries compared with last year, reflected in broad support for greater regulation of social media.

    Voters in Norway, Switzerland and Sweden are most confident their country is democratic, but so are the Chinese, where 71% agree that China has the right amount of democracy. In Russia only 33% think their country is democratic. Global support for Joe Biden’s plans to stage a Democracy Summit is high in every country save China and Russia.

    The findings will also make disturbing reading for the eastern European democracies such as Hungary where only 31% of voters think their country is democratic – on a par with findings in Nigeria, Iran, Poland and Venezuela.

    Anders Fogh Rasmussen, chair of the Alliance of Democracies Foundation, former Nato chief and Danish prime minister, said:

    “This poll shows that democracy is still alive in people’s hearts and minds. We now need to come out of the Covid-19 pandemic by delivering more democracy and freedom to people who want to see their countries become more democratic.

    “The positive support for an Alliance of Democracies, whether the UK’s D10 initiative or President Biden’s Summit for Democracy, shows that people want more cooperation to push back against the autocrats. Leaders should take note of these perceptions and act upon them.”

    US seen as bigger threat to democracy than Russia or China, global poll finds | World news | The Guardian

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    Which countries have democracy?

    America: yes

    Russia: no

    China: no

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    The fact is China has few allies in the world. Russia has more but they are limited. The USA has a world wide network of allies that give them a Global reach that is difficult for China and Russia that rely on small dictatorships in their quest for global reach. Countries trade with China but are wary of them. Agression in the South China sea illegal building on Atolls. China's blatant use of trade embargos and bullying tactics, against smaller nations like Australia with no justification, something they would not dare do to the USA, has made smaller countries wary of any benefits of a rising China and many will want to lessen their dependence on trade with such an agressor and look elsewhere.
    They both have virtual dictators that silence their opposition.
    If the question was who do you fear most China would win hands down. Dutarte as dumb as he is will be looking closely at his attempts to placate China that have largely backfired. There is no love lost with the Vietnamese that fear and dislike China a lot more than there former foe the USA.
    Most of the concern expressed in that piece is in relation to Democratic countries.
    Chinese citizens and to a lesser degree Russians do not have those concerns as they have a totalitarian system where the govt has the control. They fear their govt much more than large companies. Large companies in democratic countries are a concern but they dont have labour camps. The USA is no Angel and has abused its power on occasions for its own ends but at least there is some break on Presidential power.
    Hopefully the lessons of China are sinking in and trade diversification away from them by the west to other less aggressive countries, will be part of the post covid order. Incidently something that the Chinese has foisted on the world at a terrible cost that they cannot even take responsibility for.
    My obfuscation alarm is sounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    OMO Klondyke and Backscuttler will be along shortly with the bleach...
    ^Beside these two there are others concerned (but perhaps the polling of 50,000 was not so representative like last time the 1,007 people, mainly Dems....).

    (BTW, the Latana polling is under the wings of the Alliance of Democracies Foundation, with president of the former NATO big guy...)

    G7 against China-Russia. But in the polls it is the US and Big Tech

    Since his entry into the White House, US President Joe Biden has set a firm line on his foreign policy, pulling allies with him. A line that we could define as “Democracy First”: a front of democracies as the antithesis to autocratic systems, primarily China and Russia. This was also seen today at the G7 Foreign Affairs, which resulted in a condemnation of China for “violations of human rights and abuses” against Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang and Tibet, as well as for recent acts that “erode the democratic elements of the electoral system in Hong Kong are fundamental ”. The G7 countries also undertake to “encourage” global mechanisms of “resistance” in the face of “arbitrariness, political and economic practices” that “undermine a free and fair economic system” inspired by “transparent and predictable” international rules . As for Russia, the London summit expresses “deep concern over Moscow’s irresponsible and destabilizing behavior” on various fronts, from Ukraine to cyber-attacks, from disinformation to violation of human rights.

    Europe – despite the German perplexities above all – continues to follow the direction indicated by Washington, as evidenced by the abrupt halt on the Silk Road and the departure from Moscow. But while Washington, with the rest of the G7, consolidates its image as bulwarks of democratic values, it would do well to pause for a moment on the Democracy Perception Index 2021, the results of which were published just today.

    Among the many data to be highlighted, there is one that should make American diplomats think: of a total of 50,000 respondents in 53 countries, almost half (44%) fear that the United States represents a threat to democracy in the their country, while only 38% say they are worried about Chinese interference. Even lower is the percentage of those who fear a Russian influence: only 28%. The results – acknowledges the Guardian – may partly reflect views on the comparative power of the United States, but show that neither the United States, nor the G7, can simply assume the mantle of defenders of democracy.

    The survey, commissioned from Latana by the Alliance of Democracies Foundation, finds that democracy support remains high even as citizens of democratic countries rate their governments’ handling of the Covid-19 pandemic less positively than people in less democratic countries. . Inequality is seen as the greatest threat to global democracy, but the power of big tech companies is also seen as a major challenge in the United States.

    Since last year, the perception of US influence as a threat to democracy around the world has increased significantly, from a net opinion of +6 to a net opinion of +14. This increase is particularly high in Germany (+20) and China (+16). The poll was conducted between February and April, in the first months of Biden’s presidency. The countries still predominantly negative on US influence are Russia and China, followed by European democracies.

    In general, a year of pandemic has brought down the degree of approval of governments much more markedly in democratic countries than in autocratic ones. While in the spring of 2020 the citizens of more or less democratic countries were equally satisfied with the pandemic response of their government (70%), after 12 months the approval ratings dropped to 65% in the less democratic countries, to 51% in the more democratic ones. In Europe, the percentage of satisfied customers dropped to 45%, while in Asia, on the contrary, peaks of 76% are reached.

    However, not everything is negative. The study, in fact, shows an attachment to democracy globally, with 81% of people around the world considering it important to have a democratic system in their country. Just over half (53%) say their country is actually democratic today, even in democracies.

    The greatest threat cited for democracy is economic inequality (64%), a figure that indicates the urgency of making recovery plans a more equitable distribution of economic resources. In nearly all countries surveyed, except Saudi Arabia and Egypt, limits on free speech are seen as less of a threat to democracy than inequality.

    Another interesting chapter concerns the big tech companies. For almost half of the interviewees (48%), Big Techs represent a threat to democracy in their country. This fear is especially strong in the United States, where the overwhelming power of large IT multinationals worries 62%. In general, mistrust is growing in many countries over last year, reflected in broad support for more social media regulation.

    Citizens of Norway, Switzerland and Sweden are the most satisfied with their democracies, but so are the Chinese, where 71% believe China has the right amount of democracy. In Russia – so to speak – only 33% think their country is democratic. Global support for Biden’s plans to hold a democracy summit is high in all countries except China and Russia.

    As for imperfect democracies, the most thrilling result for the European Union is – unsurprisingly – that of Hungary, where only 31% of public opinion think that their country is democratic, on a par with the results of Nigeria, Iran, Poland and Venezuela.

    Anders Fogh Rasmussen, president of the Alliance of Democracies Foundation, former NATO head and former Danish prime minister, said: “This survey shows that democracy is still alive in people’s hearts and minds. Now we have to get out of the Covid-19 pandemic by offering more democracy and freedom to people who want to see their countries become more democratic ”. And again: “The positive support for an Alliance of Democracies, whether it be the UK’s D10 initiative or President Biden’s Democracy Summit, shows that people want more cooperation to push back the autocrats. Leaders should take note of these perceptions and act accordingly ”. At the same time – it should be added – they should become aware of how a too assertive attitude risks conveying a message of threat rather than salvation.

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    If the question was who do you fear most China would win hands down.
    I very much doubt that. I think your opinions are just based on the anglo diaspora- a modest percentage of the worlds population.
    The facts speak for themself.

    "Saying the US and China are equally bad is dumber than saying Nazis and Antifa are equally bad. Only one nation in the world is waging nonstop wars, circling the planet with hundreds of military bases, and working to destroy any nation which disobeys it. And it ain’t China."

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    ^And one cannot avoid asking a question: Why such a country - that never had to suffer under a war - is waging nonstop wars?

    Is it because the country is threatened from many sides, so the threats are to be fought off? (whatever it costs...)

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    Hegemony. Fading hegemony.

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    So BS puts up a thread on a survey result of 1,009 out of 83,000,000 RU looking for greens from the marxist brothers to negate your greys?

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    "The survey is considered representative of about two-thirds of the world's population and is the largest democracy study in the world."


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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Which countries have democracy?

    America: yes

    Russia: no

    China: no
    I don't care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    "The survey is considered representative of about two-thirds of the world's population and is the largest democracy study in the world."
    So you are now expanding the 1009 people to represent 2/3 of the worlds population, so c6 Bn, good Lord Sabang really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Only 36% ? I thought Germans were smart.

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    ^^ Me, no. I am quoting from a linked source above in this thread- if you care to read. But of course your anglophone tinted gut feeling must be more accurate than the 'largest democracy in the world study', right?

    Or perhaps the respondents had a gun held to their head- just like every election where the winner is someone the US doesn't like, apparently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Which countries have democracy?

    America: yes

    Russia: no

    China: no

    All 3 have constituencies that they have to answer to and they all do in a different way. Not everyone sees democracy as a god like you do. I hate democracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Or perhaps the respondents had a gun held to their head-
    That is not the issue, the statistical error of 1009 being representative of 83M or 6Bn is at issue here and surely you cannot refute that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    the statistical error of 1009 being representative of 83M or 6Bn is at issue here and surely you cannot refute that?
    ......don't underestimate his world...

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    Quote Originally Posted by strigils View Post
    That is not the issue, the statistical error of 1009 being representative of 83M or 6Bn is at issue here and surely you cannot refute that?
    is there any doubt that the US represents a danger to Democracy? If not then there must not be a statistical error, since the results of the sample are correct and verifiable by non statistical means.

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