Ukraine war mega thread

[Troy]

No he is not.



Who the fuck cares if they have no men to travel over them.

Watch Belgorod in the coming days. If it is cut off, this war is over.

Appears they have managed a breakthrough in Belgorod.
One of the big advantages is that Russia is not heavily mined so the Ukraine forces can really use the firepower without all the frustrations of wading through heavy defences.

Just hope they don't overcommit themselves, which could prove costly.

[Iceman123]

Who the fuck cares if they have no men to travel over them.

Watch Belgorod in the coming days. If it is cut off, this war is over.

Surely even the Seattle simpleton can’t believe the bilge he posts!

[bsnub]

Surely even the Seattle simpleton can’t believe the bilge he posts!

Along comes the utter buffoon who claimed this war was won by ruzzia three months into the war. What a fucking clown.

No one has made a bigger fool of themselves in this thread than you. Thanks for the reminder.

Just hope they don't overcommit themselves, which could prove costly.

Only time will tell but as I said if Belgorod is cut off then the ruzzians will be forced to start redeploying out of Ukraine.

[cyrille]

Watch Belgorod in the coming days. If it is cut off, this war is over.

Only time will tell but as I said if Belgorod is cut off then the ruzzians will be forced to start redeploying out of Ukraine.

Is that a backtrack?

Just asking.

[bsnub]

Is that a backtrack?

A back track from what exactly? Maybe you could share your opinion on what is going on?

[cyrille]

A backtrack from the other post I quoted in the same post, ffs.

I can't see the future and DC don't have lengthy experience of military strategy like you.

[cyrille]

^(Ignore DC)

[cyrille]

Oh well, it beats reading harriet 'doing a landreth' about how loaded he is yet again.

[bsnub]

A backtrack from the other post I quoted in the same post, ffs.

It is not a back track. My comment was in regard to the point Troy made regarding overcommitting. Historically, armies have had a history of overstretching supply lines in ruzzia. So far, Ukraine has been good about not doing that, but we are talking about a rather massive landmass. In other words, things could change very quickly. It is now a game of wait and see.

[cyrille]

I'm missing Prof. Michael Clarke on Sky news.

Though I wish Sky would buy him some teeth.

[bsnub]

I'm missing Prof. Michael Clarke on Sky news.

Did he leave Sky? I like him too.

Though I wish Sky would buy him some teeth.

He is British. It fits the profile.

[cyrille]

Just hasn't been on for a while.

It's been a more generic bloke called Sean.

[cyrille]

Who has much better teeth.

Maybe it's Irish roots.

[bsnub]

It's been a more generic bloke called Sean.

Ya that guy sucks.

Who has much better teeth.

Boring.

[Troy]

The Russians are steadily inching towards Pokrovsk, a strategic hub for the Ukraine defence of the Donetsk region. Yes, they're losong a lot of men fighting for it, but it doesn't seem to stop them moving forward.
Not sure if Ukraine has sufficient reserve to bolster their defence. Apparently they are currently outnumbered 2:1.

The incursion into Russia hasn't relieved the pressure. The loss of Pokrovsk will weaken Ukraine all along the Donetsk front.

I don't think there is any serious chance Russia would entertain a swap of regions. It's too easy for them to take back Russian territory at a later date, when it suits them better.

Mind you, the loss of oil refineries lately is very significant. That's going to cost Russia dearly in the short and medium term.

[Norton]

I found this informative.

[Troy]

^ Yep! That explains the importance of Prokrovsk far better than I did, as well as some other good info.

[bsnub]

It is a bad situation to be sure. I strongly suggest reading the article at this link...

What the fall of Pokrovsk could mean for Ukraine - Euromaidan Press

The author is written by a former Ukrainian infantry officer and intelligence analyst. Too many graphics to copy and paste here. Also on twitter...

https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1828490940450746723

[Troy]

I'm missing Prof. Michael Clarke on Sky news.

He's still providing good insight into the challenges Ukraine face...

[NamPikToot]

I haven't linked the article but there is a video on the front page of yhe telegraph, linked which shows thermite getting rained down from a drone. Would I not like to be under that shit.

The Telegraph - Telegraph Online, Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph - Telegraph

[Troy]

^ It is reported as being a Ukraine drone against Russian troops in the Zaporizhchia area.

[NamPikToot]

Both sides are claiming it but I'd put money on it being Ukr, they have been really innovative on drone use since this shit show started. Whatever the case its nasty.

[Norton]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky urged Western nations on Friday to lift restrictions on the use of donated weapons against Russian territory, telling military and defense leadegathered in Germany they should not restrain his country’s ability to battle the Kremlin’s forces.

“We think it is wrong,” Zelensky said in his first in-person appearance at a U.S.-led forum of nations providing arms to Ukraine. “ … We need to have this long-range capability, not only on the occupied territory of Ukraine but also on the Russia territory, yes, so that Russia is motivated to seek peace.say

But Zelensky’s appeal, delivered at a meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group at a U.S. military base in western Germany, yielded little apparent progress as its chief military backer, the United States, signaled no immediate change to its restrictions on the use of longer-range U.S.-made arms like the Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS).

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, who hosted the meeting at Ramstein Air Base, said the Biden administration shares Ukraine’s sense of battlefield urgency. But he appeared to rule out any notion that Washington is ready to change its policy on using U.S. weapons deeper within Russia, the world’s largest nuclear power.

“There’s no one capability that will, in and of itself, be decisive in this campaign,” Austin told reporters after the meeting. “We had this discussion about tanks; we had this discussion about other capabilities.”

While Washington has repeatedly set aside concerns about escalation with Moscow since the war erupted in February 2022, yielding to Ukrainian requests to access more powerful weapons or use them in new ways, it is unclear when or if that will happen. For now, the Biden administration permits Ukraine to use U.S.-provided missiles only in limited cross-border strikes on military targets from which Russian attacks originate.

Austin described the case made by Ukraine as an “interesting argument” but noted that Russia had already moved to sites far inside Russia would not change the overall military balance.

“It’s not just one thing,” Austin said. “It’s the combination of capabilities and how you integrate those capabilities to achieve objectives.”

The public impasse underscores the stakes for Zelensky, whose forces are struggling to contain Russian progress in Ukraine’s east while attempting to advance a recent offensive deeper into Russia itself.

The incursion into Russia’s Kursk region, where Ukrainian forces have seized a modest amount of territory in recent weeks, came as a surprise to many in the West and left some of Ukraine’s backers wondering how the offensive will affect the course of the war.

Zelensky cited the fact that Russian President Vladimir Putin has appeared to prioritize his military’s push to seize the Ukrainian city of Pokrovsk over seeking to repel Ukrainian forces in Kursk.

Putin “doesn’t care about Russian land and people. He just wants to grab as much land and as many of our cities as possible,” Zelensky said.

The talks at Ramstein follow discussions in Washington last week between U.S. officials and a high-level delegation Zelensky dispatched to plead for a looser policy on ATACMS. Zelensky’s remarks occurred as his government undergoes a massive shake-up, with many top ministers stepping down or shifting to new roles in what Zelensky described as an effort to inject new “energy” into the Ukraine’s leadership ahead of a busy and consequential period in the war.

In addition to loosened restrictions on cross-border strikes, Ukraine is hoping to secure more air defense weapons and other systems ahead of the U.S. presidential election in November that could change Washington’s partnership with Kyiv.

The Ukrainian leader also called for prompt delivery of promised arms packages, saying air defense supplies were a matter of life and death as Russia launches an intensified wave of airstrikes on cities across Ukraine.

The escalation has stirred panic in Ukraine, where cities like Poltava and Lviv, normally considered safe from the worst attacks, have come under intense fire in recent days. More than 50 people were killed in a Russian strike on a military institute and nearby hospital in Poltava this week, and seven people, including four members of a single family, were killed in a strike on Lviv.

“The world has enough air defense systems to ensure that Russian terror does not have results,” Zelensky said.

Ukrainian leaders have pointed to those attacks as proof that Ukraine needs to be free to use Western weapons to destroy the airfields and bombers Russia uses to launch its attacks.

New military commitments are crucial ahead of what many expect to be a miserable winter in Ukraine, where much of the country’s energy infrastructure is destroyed after repeated Russian attacks this spring and summer. Lengthy blackouts have become a daily occurrence in Kyiv as officials try to preserve what little energy generation the country has left but still give residents at least a few hours of power each day.

Rob Lee, a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said Ukraine needed help defending such infrastructure and would also need to continue to generate new manpower for its beleaguered army.

“Armored vehicles are another critical need, both to replace losses in experienced brigades and to help form new brigades,” Lee said, along with ammunition for artillery, mortars, air defense, anti tank systems and anti-personnel mines.

Austin used the gathering to announce a new donation of $250 million worth of U.S. equipment for Ukraine, including Stinger surface-to-air missiles, Javelin antitank missiles, armored vehicles and patrol boats. It did not include other capabilities that Ukraine is seeking, including longer range cruise missiles.

Zelensky is due to visit the United States later this month, where he is expected to unveil new plans for ending the war.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...stein-weapons/

[Norton]

Time for the US to give the Ukraine whatever they need to fuck up Putin!
Start with sending the many Patriot sustems gathering dust in warehouses.

[david44]

Agree and why not now Biden has nothing to lose , Ukraine has everything to lose.