Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

Nope no moving of goalposts, just calling you out on your nonsensical blathering.

Bullshit. Your butthurt is showing.

Take the bet if you believe you are right. - do you want odds?

Funny, but a few short months ago you were pretty confident that Russia was going to win the war. Why not place a wager on that big boy?

Might as well double down on stupid.

[hallelujah]

I'd have to agree with Hal . . . can you not see the difference in what bsnub brings to the table as compared to the auto-state-agitprop vomit-machines of sabang and OhWoe? How he presents it in his own words may not be to your liking but that doesn't detract from the many sources he cites . . . non-government sources even.

Indeed.

There are a lot of intelligent people posting on this thread who are clearly well informed - I am not one of them - and the key is a range of sources.

How anyone could value the veracity of anything that Oh Doh (I used to have him down as intelligent ) and, sadly, sabang posts is beyond me.

They are published by the fucking government or paid propagandists fer fucks sake!

[bsnub]

How anyone could value the veracity of anything that Oh Doh (I used to have him down as intelligent ) and, sadly, sabang posts is beyond me.

Something happened to Sabang and I tend to think it is the same Jim Jones cult syndrome that a lot of trumpanzees succumbed to. He just fell off the map at some point, as he was once a very balanced and well reasoned poster. Hell was a mod, and actually a good one. He actually kept a spreadsheet of all the posts he deleted, and I have to say he was very fair. He used to clean up after Boontard who always had the most shit post deleted. To be fair, I think I was second or third on the list. Of course, I was responding to Boons total fake crap.

But that was at least ten years ago and something happened to him since then, and it is rather unsettling to watch unfold.

[Iceman123]

Funny, but a few short months ago you were pretty confident that Russia was going to win the war. Why not place a wager on that big boy?

Might as well double down on stupid.

Dont’t be frightened, the vitriol you hide behind is just making you look stupider.

I have called you to back up your claim that there would be no negotiations until Russia retreated to the 1991 borders. Stop obfuscating and put your money where your mouth is.

Now in answer to your wanting an extra bet on who will win the war, define the parameters and we can bet on that as well.

Somehow I think it’s apparent to more people that you are just wind and piss.

[Norton]

Now in answer to your wanting an extra bet on who will win the war, define the parameters and we can bet on that as well.

Good luck with defining this guys. Only war in my lifetime won for sure was WW2. Both Germany and Japan surrendered. All the others are ambiguous.

[bsnub]

Dont’t be frightened, the vitriol you hide behind is just making you look stupider.

You are a massive butthurt clown. You want Putin to win this war, and you spent months in here cheerleading for your midget leader. Now the war is going bad for you. I am enjoying your tears.

I have called you to back up your claim that there would be no negotiations until Russia retreated to the 1991 borders. Stop obfuscating and put your money where your mouth is.

What a massive capitulation by you. A few months ago you would have said another thing entirely now you are just desperate for a win and making a fool of yourself.

Somehow I think it’s apparent to more people that you are just wind and piss.

Like who? You should call your friends out. Mine have openly posted on this thread.

You are running out of rope, mate.

[bsnub]

Good luck with defining this guys. Only war in my lifetime won for sure was WW2. Both Germany and Japan surrendered. All the others are ambiguous.

Why did they win Norts? You know full well why they did.

They did not negotiate with tyrants. We learned our lesson before.

The US elections are proof today that the dollars will continue to flow into Ukraine. After tonight, I fully expect that Ukraine will finally get the M1 Abrams and the long range HIMARS ATACMS missiles they need to end this war.

Zelensky will be remembered as a champion of the free world. Same same...

[Troy]

They did not negotiate with tyrants.

European peace negotiations between USA, UK and Russia...you saying Stalin wasn't a tyrant?

As always compromises are made to keep the peace.

[Iceman123]

Well Snubby, as I stated, you have proved terrified to put your money where your mouth is. Easy for everyone to see.

[Iceman123]

Before arguing with Snubby, ask yourself is he mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? The answer is a clear no, therefore absolutely no point.

[helge]

I'd have to agree with Hal . . . can you not see the difference in what bsnub brings to the table as compared to the auto-state-agitprop vomit-machines of sabang and OhWoe? How he presents it in his own words may not be to your liking but that doesn't detract from the many sources he cites . . . non-government sources even.

I guess that you agree with his gung ho hubris non auto state agitprop vomit machine shitposting propaganda, that detracts from many sources and not even all government onces.

Are you fucking kidding me ?

The jerk is the by far greatest enemy to the ukranian sovereign future.

On TD


You surely have to straighten out your toes after each of his infantile posts.

Don't tell me, that as an "ally" of yours, he does not embarrass you

[Iceman123]

The jerk is the by far greatest enemy to the ukranian sovereign future

Don't tell me, that as an "ally" of yours, he does not embarrass you

Come on PH be honest, can you really argue with the above?

[russellsimpson]

Before arguing with Snubby, ask yourself is he mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives?

Definitely not.

I think of these folks as 'boneheads '

Maybe okay for a young teenager but not that approriate for anybody over twenty.

[sabang]

sadly, sabang posts is beyond me.

They are published by the fucking government or paid propagandists fer fucks sake!

I think any viewpoint not found in the Tabloids is beyond you, but just for the record statesmen like ex-Ambassador Jack Matlock, Henry Kissinger and famous academics like Noam Chomsky and John Mearsheimer are not paid propagandists at all. Neither are the various Think tanks I quote like Quincy. In general, they would be described as foreign policy 'realists', or peaceniks like Chomsky. Now, don't you think the world would be a better place if a proxy war with Russia had been avoided? So do they, so do I. So do many of us- and we think that the hawkish neocon approach to foreign policy has been a disaster- I mean Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and now Ukraine-geddit? The USA is no longer the worlds sole unipolar global power (which probably makes you nervous).

As far as other sources go, given how highly propagandized this war is, I will quite happily use non-western sources like RT, Indian press, and even bloggers if I think they have a decent point to make or information to disperse. If you don't like that, simple- don't read it! I've said it enough times- my posts are not aimed at the boneheads.

[bsnub]

The jerk is the by far greatest enemy to the ukranian sovereign future.

On TD

Clearly a comment made by an indoctrinated Kool-Aid sipper.

The entire Russian army on the west side of the Dnieper is collapsing and currently on the run. The Ukrainians are liberating huge swaths of territory.

I think of these folks as 'boneheads '

Maybe okay for a young teenager but not that approriate for anybody over twenty.

Oh shut up, you grovelling little worm.

Well Snubby, as I stated, you have proved terrified to put your money where your mouth is. Easy for everyone to see.

Is Russia winning yet?

[Loy Toy]

I think getting both views regarding what is happening on the ground is important as long as those views put forward are factual and not propaganda.

The fact that this thread has turned into a shit fight with insults and accusations being hurled left and right is not productive.

I for one just want this war to end and dial in here regularly to be updated about what is happening.

More often than not I am confronted with absolute rubbish posts.

[bsnub]

KHERSON AXIS/ FLASH TRAFFIC/ 1550 UTC 9 NOV/ RU forces are reported to be executing a withdrawal from all N bank positions around Kherson. UKR forces have been granted a golden opportunity to smash retreating RU units while motion. Mass RU casualties expected at river crossings.

[sabang]

^ Yep, your favourite 'propaganda' site is saying the same thing- the Russians are retreating across the Dniepro, and setting up defensive lines there.

Russian Military Pull Back From KhersonSouth Front

[Norton]

I think getting both views regarding what is happening on the ground is important as long as those views put forward are factual and not propaganda.

Not likely given our history. Said long ago and still true today.

“In war, truth is the first casualty.”

― Aeschylus, c. 525/524 – c. 456/455 BC

[bsnub]

the Russians are retreating across the Dniepro, and setting up defensive lines there.

You speak like that will be a walk in the park. The Ukrainians have artillery and HIMARS massed and focused on the two choke points on the Dnieper the Russians will have to cross. It is going to be a turkey shoot. This is going to be worse than what happened up in Kharkiv.

[Takeovers]

the Russians are retreating across the Dniepro, and setting up defensive lines there.

Very funny, setting up a defensive line there. Ukraine troops are not going to attack across the river. They will come from Zaporishia/Melitopol. Ukraine may use long distance artillery, if there are any substantial troop or equipment concentrations worth destroying.

[harrybarracuda]

Only war in my lifetime won for sure was WW2.

Excuse me but you must have missed the final result of the 1982 match:

Argentina 0 United Kingdom 1

[misskit]

Deputy Head of Russian-Occupied Kherson Region Dies in Car Crash

Kirill Stremousov, the vocal deputy head of the Moscow-installed administration in the occupied Kherson region of Ukraine was killed Wednesday in an apparent car accident, according to local officials.


Stremousov, known for his strongly anti-Ukrainian rhetoric, died near the town of Henichesk, Russian pro-war blogger Semyon Pegov wrote on Telegram.


"Kirill was one of the brightest, he was able to speak and deliver to people the truth about what is happening in the Kherson region," the Russian-appointed head of Kherson, Vladimir Saldo, said in a video posted on his Telegram channel.


The most senior Russian-appointed official in occupied Ukraine to die since the start of the invasion, Stemousov, 45, had been sanctioned by both the U.S. and the European Union.


His death comes as Ukrainian forces press forward with an offensive on the Russian-held city of Kherson, from which Russia has evacuated thousands of civilians in recent weeks.


Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on Wednesday ordered the retreat of Russian forces from Kherson and the entire right bank of the Dnipro River to defensive lines on the left bank.


Independent media outlet Meduza reported earlier Wednesday that Stremousov was one of a group of officials that the Kremlin had ordered should be quoted less frequently on state-run media outlets.


Few details about the accident were immediately available, but there have been a series of assassinations and attempted killings of Russian-appointed officials in occupied Ukraine since the start of Russia’s invasion in February.

Stemousov’s boss, Saldo, 66, a former Kherson mayor and local businessman, was transferred in August to a Moscow hospital after reportedly eating a meal prepared by a new cook. Russia’s Defense Ministry said at the time he may have ingested a nerve agent.


While some of these killings are believed to have been carried out by partisans and the Ukrainian security services, experts have suggested that others could be the result of local political and economic disputes.


A father of five, Stemousov provided regular updates about the military situation in and around Kherson, which was until Wednesday the only remaining regional capital in Ukraine still under Moscow’s control.


In a final Telegram post on Wednesday, Stremousov stated that the Ukrainian army was attacking in "all directions" in the Kherson region.


His prolific videos, interviews and posts on his Telegram channel — where he has over 120,000 subscribers — meant he was perhaps the most publicly recognizable face of the administrations installed by Russia in occupied Ukraine.


"The demise of Kirill Stremousov is a huge blow to Russia's occupation regime. The guy was odious, but a talented communicator," tweeted Nikolaus von Twickel, a political analyst focusing on eastern Ukraine.


Stremousov enjoyed a degree of notoriety in Kherson even before the war started, and faced a media backlash in 2017 after he filmed himself spinning his young daughter around his head by her legs. Two years later he was accused of attacking a local newspaper office with tear gas.


Stremousov ran unsuccessfully for the post of Kherson mayor and as a candidate in Ukraine’s parliamentary elections before the Russian invasion, while during the coronavirus pandemic he became a prominent anti-vaxxer.


Stremousov was appointed the deputy head of the pro-Kremlin Kherson administration in April following Russia’s partial occupation of the region the previous month.

Deputy Head of Russian-Occupied Kherson Region Dies in Car Crash - The Moscow Times

[HermantheGerman]

I think any viewpoint not found in the Tabloids is beyond you, but just for the record statesmen like ex-Ambassador Jack Matlock, Henry Kissinger and famous academics like Noam Chomsky and John Mearsheimer.......

yaaaaaaaaaahhhhwnnnnn

But it's all been gone through before, do you ever tire of repeating yourself? :-

Do you?

[HermantheGerman]

You are delusional and dreaming if you seriously think that will be the result. I’d quite happily take your money on that one.

I'am sure E. Honecker agrees with you 100%