Ukraine war mega thread

[panama hat]

Ukraine Finally Used NASAMS Against Russian Missiles The complex itself is quite young.

It's like a shopping centre for China . . . it gets to choose which weapons are valuable to have . . . insert one of the many Chinese students/grads into the industry, or use ones that already are, and copy.

[russellsimpson]

Originally Posted by sabang
Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has said Ukraine is only prepared to enter negotiations with Russia if its troops leave all parts of Ukraine, including Crimea and the eastern areas of the Donbas, de facto controlled by Russia since 2014, and if those Russians who have committed crimes in Ukraine face trial.
I guess that he has to say that

Nah Helge , I think he actully believes the bullshit. He's a certified megalomaniac with paranoid tendences.

[russellsimpson]

Originally Posted by sabang
Zelenskiy also made clear that he would not hold negotiations with the current Russian leadership. Last month, he signed a decree specifying that Ukraine would only negotiate with a Russian president who has succeeded Vladimir Putin.
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[cyrille]

He's a certified megalomaniac with paranoid tendences.

Do you have anything at all to back that up?

[russellsimpson]

Do you have anything at all to back that up?

My sources are refusing to go on the record. Sorry Cy.

[bsnub]

Nah Helge , I think he actully believes the bullshit. He's a certified megalomaniac with paranoid tendences.

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. To think that Canada could be the country of origin for two of TD's most retarded posters. You are giving skiddy a strong run for the money.

The paranoid megalomaniac is in Moscow and the little man invaded Ukraine, you dimwit. Zelensky at times reminds me of Churchill with his resolve.



Ukraine is going to win this war. I have said so from the very start. There will be no negotiations until Russia has retreated back behind the 1991 borders. End of story.

[OhOh]

An excellent conversation between a Polish lady and a Russian gentleman who moved to NaGastan some decades ago.

[sabang]

An Australian university has unearthed millions of Tweets by fake accounts pushing disinformation on the Ukraine war, Peter Cronau reports. The sample size dwarfs other studies of covert propaganda about the war on social media.

A team of researchers at the University of Adelaide have found that as many as 80 percent of tweets about the 2022 Russia-Ukraine invasion in its early weeks were part of a covert propaganda campaign originating from automated fake “bot” accounts.

An anti-Russia propaganda campaign originating from a “bot army” of phony automated Twitter accounts flooded the internet at the start of the war.

The research shows that of the more than 5 million tweets studied, 90.2 percent (both bot and non-bot) came from accounts that were pro-Ukraine, with fewer than 7 percent of the accounts being classed as pro-Russian.

The university researchers also found these automated tweets had been purposely used to drive up fear amongst people targeted by them, boosting a high level of statistically measurable “angst” in the online discourse.

The research team analysed a massively unprecedented 5,203,746 tweets, sent with key hashtags, in the first two weeks of the Russian invasion of Ukraine from Feb. 24. The researchers looked at predominately English-language accounts. A calculated 1.8 million unique Twitter accounts in the dataset posted at least one English-language tweet.

The results were published in August in a research paper, titled “#IStandWithPutin versus #IStandWithUkraine: The interaction of bots and humans in discussion of the Russia/Ukraine war,” by the University of Adelaide’s School of Mathematical Science.

The size of the sample under study, of over 5-million tweets, dwarfs other recent studies of covert propaganda in social media surrounding the Ukraine war. The little-reported Stanford University/Graphika research on Western disinformation, analysed by Declassified Australia in September, examined just under 300,000 tweets from 146 Twitter accounts.

The Meta/Facebook research on Russian disinformation reported widely by mainstream media, including by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) a fortnight later, looked at only 1,600 Facebook accounts.

Reports on the new research have appeared in only a few independent media sites, and on Russia’s RT. The ground-breaking study exposing a massive anti-Russia social media disinformation campaign has been effectively ignored by Western establishment media, showing how stories that don’t fit the desired pro-Western narrative are routinely buried.

Disinformation Blitz Krieg

The Adelaide University researchers unearthed a massive organised pro-Ukraine influence operation underway from the early stages of the conflict. Overall, the study found automated “bot” accounts to be the source of between 60 to 80 percent of all tweets in the dataset. The published data shows that in the first week of the Ukraine-Russia war there was a huge mass of pro-Ukrainian hashtag bot activity. Approximately 3.5 million tweets using the hashtag #IStandWithUkraine were sent by bots in that first week. In fact, it was like someone had flicked a switch at the start of the war as pro-Ukraine bot activity suddenly burst into life. In that first day of the war the #IStandWithUkraine hashtag was used in as many as 38,000 tweets each hour, rising to 50,000 tweets an hour by day three of the war. By comparison, the data shows that in the first week there was an almost total absence of pro-Russian bot activity using the key hashtags. During that first week of the invasion, pro-Russian bots were sending off tweets using the #IStandWithPutin or #IStandWithRussia hashtags at a rate of only several hundred per hour.

FULL- Researchers Find Massive Anti-Russian ‘Bot Army’

[Troy]

Lots of good info over here about the massive casualties the Russians are taking. The 155th Naval Infantry Brigade of the Russian Pacific Fleet was completely annihilated in Pavlivka...

The report states decimated, which is 10% losses. I have heard the losses could be as much as 50% but it isn't independently verified. where do you get "completely annihilated" from?

This is the type of gross exaggeration that makes your posts little better than those of Sabang or even ohoh...

...stop getting over excited and stick to the facts you get from your 'sources'.

[bsnub]

The report states decimated, which is 10% losses.

You assume that these units would have been at full strength, which they most definitely were not. The 155th Marine Brigade has been in the fighting since it was forced to retreat from the outskirts of Kyiv at the very start of the war. The losses were far worse than 10%...

"As a result of the "carefully" planned offensive by the "great commanders", we lost about 300 people killed, wounded and missing in 4 days. 50 percent of vehicles. This is just our brigade. The command of the district, together with Akhmedov, hide this and replace the official figures of losses for fear of responsibility."

where do you get "completely annihilated" from?

Just my poor choice of words, I guess.

This is the type of gross exaggeration that makes your posts little better than those of Sabang or even ohoh...

That is ridiculous as there is no comparison to what I post and their complete fabrications and propaganda. The article itself breaks down the order of the battle and provides photographic and video evidence that is also fully geolocated.

The reality is that the Russians continue to suffer loss after loss and are taking an unsustainable rate of casualties.

Another link to reinforce...

Russian Marines Are Getting Killed And Wounded By The Hundreds In Ukraine

[hallelujah]

This is the type of gross exaggeration that makes your posts little better than those of Sabang or even ohoh...

...stop getting over excited and stick to the facts you get from your 'sources'.

Hang on a minute here, Troy. Snubby doesn't take his news solely from state propaganda and whackjob websites.

He can not be compared to the likes of Sabang and, god forbid, OhOh. No way at all.

A flag-waving archetypal American he may be at times, but he is not completely and utterly brainwashed and in cloud cuckoo land.

That is ridiculous as there is no comparison to what I post and their complete fabrications and propaganda.

Exactly.

[misskit]

^^^^ I tried to find the research mentioned here but cannot find it anywhere. Adelaide University did indeed do the research but what they have released says something different.

Their press release.

Bots manipulate public opinion in Russia-Ukraine conflict

Researchers from the University of Adelaide have found bots have had a major online presence during the war between Russia and Ukraine.


The researchers analysed 5,203,764 tweets, retweets, quote tweets and replies posted to Twitter between 23 February 2022, and 8 March 2022, containing the hashtags
#(I)StandWithPutin, #(I)StandWithRussia, #(I)SupportRussia, #(I)StandWithUkraine, #(I)StandWithZelenskyy and #(I)SupportUkraine.


“We found that between 60 and 80 per cent of tweets using the hashtags we studied came from bot accounts during the first two weeks of the war,” said co-lead researcher Joshua Watt, an MPhil candidate in Applied Mathematics and Statistics from the University of Adelaide’s School of Mathematical Sciences.


“This drove more angst in the online discourse and even impacted discussions surrounding people’s decision to flee or stay in Ukraine.


“We observed increases in words such as ‘shame’, ‘terrorist’, ‘threat’, and ‘panic’.


“Pro-Russian human accounts were having the largest influence on discussions of the war – particularly on accounts which were pro-Ukraine.


“To our knowledge, this is the first body of published work which addresses online influence operations in the context of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022.


“In the past, wars have been primarily fought physically, with armies, air force and navy operations being the primary forms of combat.


“However, social media has created a new environment where public opinion can be manipulated at a very large scale. As a result, these environments can be used to manipulate discussion, as well as cause disruption and overall public distrust.”

Fellow co-lead researcher, Bridget Smart, a Masters student in Applied Mathematics and Statistics, added: “Our research identifies that this is happening during the Russia-Ukraine war and provides a statistical framework which quantifies the extent to which this is happening.


“This work extends and combines existing techniques to quantify how bots are influencing people in the online conversation around the Russia-Ukraine invasion.


“It opens up avenues for researchers to understand quantitatively how these malicious campaigns operate, and what makes them impactful. This research has identified that social media organisations may need to be better equipped for detecting and handling the use of bots on their networks.


“It has identified that governments may need to have stricter policies on social media organisations, and that social media can be a vital tool during conflict.”


The paper titled “#IStandWithPutin versus #IStandWithUkraine: The interaction of bots and humans in discussion of the Russia/Ukraine war” has been published in arXiv and will be presented at The International Conference on Social Informatics in Glasgow from 19-21 October.

Bots manipulate public opinion in Russia-Ukraine conflict | Newsroom | University of Adelaide

[bsnub]

Hang on a minute here, Troy. Snubby doesn't take his news solely from state propaganda and whackjob websites.

He can not be compared to the likes of Sabang and, god forbid, OhOh. No way at all.

Thanks, Hal!

A flag-waving archetypal American he may be at times

I do not see myself as that. Lots of things about my country that I dislike, especially since tonight are the midterm elections. I doubt I will be waiving any flags or feeling good to be an American after the results come in.

I am more of a NATO flag waiver rather than an American one.

[panama hat]

This is the type of gross exaggeration that makes your posts little better than those of Sabang or even ohoh...

ang on a minute here, Troy. Snubby doesn't take his news solely from state propaganda and whackjob websites.

He can not be compared to the likes of Sabang and, god forbid, OhOh. No way at all.

I'd have to agree with Hal . . . can you not see the difference in what bsnub brings to the table as compared to the auto-state-agitprop vomit-machines of sabang and OhWoe? How he presents it in his own words may not be to your liking but that doesn't detract from the many sources he cites . . . non-government sources even.

[misskit]

Independent surveys find Russians' support for the war has declined

According to recent polls conducted by the independent projects Russian Field and Chronicles, the number of people in favor of continuing the war in Ukraine has declined.


The polls indicate that support for the war was at its peak in March–April, and that by the start of fall, it had begun gradually declining. The poll conducted in September by Russian Field found that the share of Russians who support the war had fallen from 25 percent to 16 percent, while the share of Russians in favor of "peace" had risen slightly, from 23 percent to 27 percent. The majority of Russians said that they trusted their country’s leadership and would support either a new offensive or a cessation of hostilities.


The project Re:Russia, which reported the poll results, noted that the groups most critical of the war were women, young people, and people with low incomes earners.


According to Russian Field, only half of self-professed war supporters said they believed the war was necessary. The poll conducted by Chronicle found that about a third of pro-war Russians said they would be willing to contribute one way or another, such as by donating money to the army.


According to polls conducted by Russia’s Public Opinion Foundation, the Russian Public Opinion Research Center, and the independent Levada Center, about 70–80 percent of Russians support the war in Ukraine, the annexation of Ukrainian territories, and President Vladimir Putin.


Given Russia’s military censorship and repressive government policies, surveys conducted in the country cannot be considered fully reliable.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/11/08...r-has-declined

[Shutree]

The report states decimated, which is 10% losses.

To defend the report's authors, while you are absolutely right that the original meaning was to kill every tenth man the word's meaning has morphed over the centuries to mean the destruction of a large proportion of something. That was already an accepted meaning when Fowler was writing a hundred years ago, although he does label it a 'slipshod extension'. In truth the word is a bit vague nowadays.

[HermantheGerman]

Well no, I said I had resorted to accusing others of 'Whataboutism' once. The pathetic resort of an intellectual coward. Whatabout them WMD for hubris- or maybe the 'fact'
that Saddam Hussein poses a clear and present danger to us all? But that's old hat- if Vladamort is allowed his way, he's gonna run over the whole of Europe I tell ya!

Well, since you are such a nosy, know it all cowardly fellow, find out who spread the rumor.
Who was behind and had the biggest interest in such a fake news?
Don't forget to tell us who said that there where no WMD.
C'mon... off you go and stop making a fool of yourself here. Maybe you can become that hero, that you been (wet)dreaming of.

[HermantheGerman]

An excellent conversation between a Polish lady and a Russian gentleman who moved to NaGastan....STOP

Maybe it was excellent?! But you posted it with your communist BS, so off it goes into the trash

[HermantheGerman]

An Australian university has unearthed millions of Tweets by fake accounts pushing disinformation on the Ukraine war, Peter Cronau reports. The sample size dwarfs other studies of covert propaganda about the war on social media.
A team of researchers at the University of Adelaide have found that as many as 80 percent of tweets about the 2022 Russia-Ukraine invasion in its early weeks were part of a covert propaganda campaign originating from automated fake “bot” accounts.
An anti-Russia propaganda ...STOP

Stopped reading there
Well, at least you beat OhOh

[Iceman123]

There will be no negotiations until Russia has retreated back behind the 1991 borders. End of story.

You are delusional and dreaming if you seriously think that will be the result. I’d quite happily take your money on that one.

[bsnub]

You are delusional and dreaming if you seriously think that will be the result.

Just like I was delusional when I said that Ukraine would win this war, right? Why is it that you angry little Putin supporters are such poor losers?

Your guy is getting his ass served to him on plate, and it is only going to get worse from here.

[Iceman123]

Originally Posted by bsnub

There will be no negotiations until Russia has retreated back behind the 1991 borders. End of story

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You are delusional and dreaming if you seriously think that will be the result. I’d quite happily take your money on that one.

Just put your money on it - Name the amount I will be quite happy to take it

[bsnub]

Just put your money on it - Name the amount I will be quite happy to take it

Do piss off. You are losing now, so you are trying to move the goal posts. Get back to me when Russia starts winning again.

[Hugh Cow]

Whilst you are correct in the strict interpretation of decimate Troy, I think most peoples understanding of the word would indicate extremely heavy losses which 10% is not.

[Iceman123]

Do piss off. You are losing now, so you are trying to move the goal posts. Get back to me when Russia starts winning again.

Nope no moving of goalposts, just calling you out on your nonsensical blathering. Take the bet if you believe you are right. - do you want odds?