Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

German inflation: Producer price rises highest since 1949 - CNN

[bsnub]

‘F*cking Shoot Them’: Chechen Fighters Executed Russian Troops Who Rebelled in Ukraine, Official Says


Russian troops tried to rebel against their military commanders in an occupied part of southeast Ukraine, but three of them were killed by Chechen fighters in response, according to Ukrainian intelligence.

Ivan Arefyev, a spokesman for the Zaporizhzhia regional military administration, detailed the incident in a statement on Telegram early Wednesday.

“According to Ukrainian intelligence, yesterday in the Pologovsky district Russian troops started to rebel: Russia’s soldiers didn’t want to fight because they have not received their promised payouts. [Ramzan] Kadyrov’s men brutally killed three of the instigators of the riot who were ready to lay down their weapons and head home,” Arefyev wrote.

No further details were provided on the brigade said to be involved in the riot, but Chechen troops have widely been seen as playing the role of “enforcers” during the war, and many survivors of the Bucha massacre outside Kyiv said the mass execution of civilians only began after Chechen troops were sent in to replace Russian soldiers there.

Authorities in nearby Dnipro reported similar instances of Russian troops rebelling. In a statement Wednesday, the Dnipro City Council said intercepted phone calls revealed Vladimir Putin’s troops plotting to shoot their own commanders.

An accompanying audio recording released by Ukraine’s Security Service features a man purported to be a Russian soldier complaining to a friend that commanders have given orders to shoot at civilians and threatened charges of desertion if troops don’t fulfill the command.

“Our command, they got provisions: cigarettes, food stuff… Do you know what they did? Our bosses fucked off and dumped everyone. I don’t even know where they are,” he said.

“Well fucking shoot them and that’s it,” his friend replied.

After repeatedly being urged to “shoot” his bosses, the first man said he plans to report the commanders to military prosecutors back home.

Russian soldiers have also reported conscripts—the less experienced servicemembers whom Putin vowed not to send to Ukraine—trying to get out of the war with the help of prosecutors back home, according to Ukrainian intelligence.

In another audio clip released Wednesday of what is said to be an intercepted call, a man identified as a Russian soldier can be heard telling his mother that conscripts have been so “shaken” by what they’ve seen in Ukraine they are calling relatives back home to get them out of service with the help of local prosecutors.

Apparently urging her to do the same for him, she responds that the local prosecutor is “rotten” but vows to search for someone to help pull him out anyway.

Such reports of widespread disillusionment and rebellion among Russian troops comes as Moscow is said to be preparing to deploy thousands of Syrian and Libyan mercenaries to continue the assault on Ukraine.

After Russia’s Foreign Ministry announced the “next phase” of the war on Tuesday, a European official who spoke to reporters in Washington on the condition of anonymity said between 10,000 and 20,000 mercenaries have been hired by the Wagner Group, a private military contractor widely believed to be linked to one of Putin’s top allies, to fight in Ukraine.

“What I can tell you is that we did see some transfer from these areas, Syria and Libya, to the eastern Donbas region, and these guys are mainly used as a mass against the Ukrainian resistance,” the official was quoted telling The Guardian.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheche...-official-says

[panama hat]

German inflation: Producer price rises highest since 1949 - CNN

Why are you such a moron?

Global energy prices were rising before Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion. As economies began to reopen from their pandemic lockdowns, demand for fuel surged and wholesale prices shot up.

[sabang]

You are seriously not suggesting that the recent spike in energy prices has nothing to do with Ukraine are you?

[misskit]

So sad to see the pics of those who were killed on the Moskva. Young men dead for a useless war.

In Photos: the Victims of Russia's Sunken Moskva Cruiser - The Moscow Times

[misskit]

This interview with Yale History Professor Timothy Snider is interesting. If what Snider suggests comes to pass, Putin’s worse dream is imminent.


Putin Will ‘Take The Blame’ When Ukraine War Fails, Russia Expert Says

[Norton]

Putin’s worse dream is imminent

It was imminent the moment he invaded. Defeat in taking Kiev, sinking of Moskva a defeat, Sweden and Finland to join NATO a defeat, and Russian economy a disaster a defeat. A succession of defeats so soon without a victory, under the bus he goes. In his desperation for a victory he is claiming victory in Donbas which is just another in a long list of his lies. No victory until the military defending Donbas is completly defeated and/or surrenders. Sorry Vlad, not a victory. Won't be until those stubborn Ukrainians surrender. So now Vlad has ordered his military not to atteck the defenders. Says he is suddenly concerned about the loss of Russian troops. Coming from him, what a laugh. He has only one reason for not attacking.

Fear of another loss!

[bsnub]

Excellent video Misskit and spot on.

[sabang]

Yale History Professor Timothy Snider

Well I've yet to see the Vid, but that is a real name. Whatever he has to say is worth listening to. Highly recommend his book (for the readers here)-

Timothy Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the author of books about the 20th-century history of central Europe, including Bloodlands, which examined the devastating consequence of Hitler and Stalin’s simultaneous reign of terror over civilian populations, and won the 2013 Hannah Arendt prize for political thought.

[sabang]

Looks like he has been offed, by Azov extremists. Rumours there is a video of his beheading on the dark web.

[Backspin]

Mark Felton is a widely respected historian in the west

[Backspin]

It was imminent the moment he invaded. Defeat in taking Kiev, sinking of Moskva a defeat, Sweden and Finland to join NATO a defeat, and Russian economy a disaster a defeat. A succession of defeats so soon without a victory, under the bus he goes. In his desperation for a victory he is claiming victory in Donbas which is just another in a long list of his lies. No victory until the military defending Donbas is completly defeated and/or surrenders. Sorry Vlad, not a victory. Won't be until those stubborn Ukrainians surrender. So now Vlad has ordered his military not to atteck the defenders. Says he is suddenly concerned about the loss of Russian troops. Coming from him, what a laugh. He has only one reason for not attacking.

Fear of another loss!

It is just not true that the Russian economy is defeated. That's a big fail on the US and EU's part.

Despite Western sanctions, Russian ruble and banks are recovering

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ctions-russia/

Russian Current-Account Surplus Surges to Record on Energy Sales - BNN Bloomberg

Russia’s Q1 Trade Surplus Hits Record As Oil And Gas Prices Soar | OilPrice.com

[Backspin]

[sabang]

I do not think things are going quite as badly for Putin and the Russian military as the dominant, near monopolistic, mainstream western narrative would have you believe. The Kool aid fix is just too enthusiastic, desperate even.

Do you really believe, for example, that Putin thought he would overrun Ukraine, with a population of over 40mm, in 72 hours- as is routinely alleged? The Russian military weren't even in most of the country, and still aren't. Focus on the East.

[Switch]

It was imminent the moment he invaded. Defeat in taking Kiev, sinking of Moskva a defeat, Sweden and Finland to join NATO a defeat, and Russian economy a disaster a defeat. A succession of defeats so soon without a victory, under the bus he goes. In his desperation for a victory he is claiming victory in Donbas which is just another in a long list of his lies. No victory until the military defending Donbas is completly defeated and/or surrenders. Sorry Vlad, not a victory. Won't be until those stubborn Ukrainians surrender. So now Vlad has ordered his military not to atteck the defenders. Says he is suddenly concerned about the loss of Russian troops. Coming from him, what a laugh. He has only one reason for not attacking.

Fear of another loss!

If Putin has the likes of Backspin and Sabang supporting him, is that anther defeat for Vlad?

[pickel]

Do you really believe, for example, that Putin thought he would overrun Ukraine, with a population of over 40mm, in 72 hours

Ukraine no, but Kyiv yes.

[Backspin]

Captured British combatant

[harrybarracuda]

If Putin has the likes of Backspin and Sabang supporting him, is that anther defeat for Vlad?

Yes, the four wanketeers still think they're winning.

[OhOh]

Ukraine no, but Kyiv yes.

Ukraine no, but Kyiv yes.

Have you a copy of Russia's military plan you can post here?

If not :

[pickel]

^
Aww...you're butthurt your shirtless horseman couldn't take Kyiv. But it was all part of the plan, right?

[OhOh]

But it was all part of the plan, right?

Try searching for "Shaping the battlefield".

I presumed you had the Russian action plan, but you appear not to.

Conclusion:
You know nothing about ant Russian military plans.

Which confirms your constant allegations as, uneducated twaddle.

[pickel]

Putin on his way to Kyiv.

[OhOh]

This is an example of military operations, publicly available via the Thai internet system, possibly unavailable, due to media censorship, in some controlled countries.

As it's more than two sentences, it may not be within your ability to stay engaged.

Why am I not surprised that THE LORD is able to engage with one of his ministers without an ice cream break.

A day or so after the announcement, but better than promising actions and not delivering, eh?

Meeting with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu

Vladimir Putin had a working meeting with Russia’s Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu.

April 21, 2022 10:00

The Kremlin, Moscow

"Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu:

Mr President,

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the people’s militia of the Donetsk People’s Republic have liberated Mariupol. The remaining nationalists are hiding in the industrial area of the Azovstal steel plant.

Mariupol is a major industrial centre and the main transport hub on the Sea of Azov. In 2014, the Kiev regime declared the city the temporary capital of the Donetsk Region, and during the subsequent eight years it has been turned into a powerful stronghold and the base of far-right Ukrainian nationalists. In fact, it was the capital of the Azov Battalion.

A large amount of heavy weaponry and military hardware have been deployed in the city, including tanks, the Smerch and Uragan multiple rocket launcher systems, heavy artillery systems and the Tochka-U missile complexes. Tochka-U has a range of 120 kilometres, while the distance from Mariupol to Russia’s city of Taganrog is 94 kilometres and approximately the same to Rostov, the capital of the Southern Federal District.

The city has been stocked with missiles, munitions, fuel and lubricants, and food provisions for lengthy hostilities. The main infrastructure facilities, including the seaport and the waterway, have been mined and blocked with floating cranes. The majority of vessels there belong to foreign states.

As for armoured vehicles, there were 179 tanks and armoured fighting vehicles there, 170 various guns and mortars, including multiple rocket launchers which I have already mentioned, the Smerch and Uragan systems. When the city was surrounded on March 11, there were more than 8,100 troops of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and nationalist units in the city, as well as foreign mercenaries, who formed a large group. During the operation to liberate the city, over 4,000 of them have been neutralised, 1,478 have surrendered, and the remaining group of over 2,000 has been blocked in the industrial area of the Azovstal plant.

In their resistance efforts, the nationalists used almost all residential buildings as fortified emplacements. Armoured vehicles and artillery were placed on ground floors, and snipers took up positions on upper floors. There were separate units armed with ATGMs as well. The residents were brought to the middle floors and basements and used as human shields. It was done in almost every block of flats.

When retreating, the Ukrainian army and the nationalist battalions in Mariupol and other Ukrainian cities were using civilians as a cover. We are aware of four instances when, in order to cover their retreat, they made people leave the basements. The latest incident was literally four days ago, when we were liberating the port area and they made almost everyone leave high-rise buildings so that they could flee leaving behind ruins, including completely destroyed socially important and cultural sites.

While liberating Mariupol, the Russian army and the people's militia units from the DPR took every precaution to save civilian lives. Mr President, as you instructed, humanitarian corridors have been created daily since March 21 to evacuate civilians and foreign nationals.

Servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and militants from nationalist battalions were encouraged to lay down their arms. Of course, they were guaranteed life, safety and medical help.

We remained in daily communication with Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine [Irina] Vereshchuk with regard to planned humanitarian acts, which included corridors and transport, both ambulances and buses. Occasionally, up to 100 such buses and 25 to 30 ambulances were made available per day.

Foreign diplomatic missions got in touch with us in various ways because their nationals were there. By the way, we have been able to free and evacuate many of them from Mariupol as part of these humanitarian initiatives. We provided official notifications to the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, the relevant OSCE structures, the International Committee of the Red Cross and other international organisations stating the time and place of these initiatives. In some instances, we even insisted on their presence to make sure that all the humanitarian rules are complied with to the extent it was possible, considering the constant and never-ending fire coming from the nationalist battalions and the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Despite the resistance of the fighters and all others, we were able to evacuate 142,711 civilians from Mariupol after you issued instructions to this effect. We freed all hostages at the seaport, including sea crews. Those who took them hostage damaged their communications systems so that they could not get in touch with anyone. The port was mined, and the waterway blocked. I hope that these ships will now be able to leave this port.

As of today, the Russian Army and the Donetsk People’s Republic’s people’s militia control all of Mariupol, reliably blocking Azovstal territory with what remains of the nationalist forces and foreign mercenaries.

Over the past two days, again as per your instructions, we declared a ceasefire between 2 pm and 4 pm, stopped all military action and opened humanitarian corridors to enable civilians who may be at Azovstal to leave.
We prepared about 90 buses for them, and 25 ambulances. Of course, considering all the distortions we face, we installed Russian Aerospace Forces cameras and received the stream almost in real time here at the command centre. No one left Azovstal. However, other civilians, over 100 of them, were able to leave. This was a major effort for us over the past few days, and we carried it out together with all the relevant international organisations.

The city is now calm, which allows us to begin efforts to restore order, enable people to return to their homes and bring peaceful life back to the city. As for those hiding at Azovstal, we have reliably sealed its perimeter, and need three or four days to complete this effort at Azovstal.
This concludes my report.

President of Russia Vladimir Putin:

I believe it would be inadvisable to storm this industrial zone.

I order you to cancel it.

Sergei Shoigu:

Yes, sir.

Vladimir Putin:

This is the case when we have to prioritise preserving the lives and health of our soldiers and officers. Of course, this is our constant priority, but even more so in this case. There is no need to penetrate these catacombs and crawl under these industrial facilities.

Seal off the industrial zone completely.

Sergei Shoigu:

Yes, sir.

Vladimir Putin:

You must offer all those who have not laid down their weapons to do so. Russia guarantees them their lives and dignity as per the relevant international legal instruments. All the wounded will get medical assistance.

You successfully completed the combat effort to liberate Mariupol. Let me congratulate you on this occasion, and please convey my congratulations to the troops. I am also asking you to submit proposals on bestowing state decorations on the service personnel who distinguished themselves. Of course, as usual, there will be various decorations, but I want everyone to know that they are all heroes for us and for all of Russia.

In this context, we need to make sure that we fulfil all the social commitments to our service personnel, especially the wounded and the families of our fallen comrades.

However, I believe that this would not be enough. We have to do more and come up with additional support measures, and in some case to consider ways of perpetuating the memory of those of our comrades who displayed heroism and sacrificed their lives so that our people in Donbass live in peace and to enable Russia, our country, to live in peace. These people deserved this by what they did and the way they honoured their oath.
I am asking you to work on this matter within the Defence Ministry, while I will issue the corresponding instructions to the Presidential Executive Office. I will talk to my colleagues in the regions, and they will work with the municipalities across Russia.

Assuming control over Mariupol, a major city in the south of the country, is obviously a success.

Congratulations.

Sergei Shoigu:

Thank you, Mr President."

Meeting with Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu • President of Russia

[bsnub]

uneducated twaddle.

Basically every post you make retard.

[pickel]

^^
And his right hand gripped the table for the whole meeting. Perhaps he's a bit embarrassed of the uncontrolled trembling incident when he met Lukashenko.

Parkinsons maybe?