Ukraine war mega thread

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Russia used hypersonic missiles in combat



Why Do US Hypersonic Missile Tests Keep Failing? They’re Going Too Fast - Defense One

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The Pentagon says Putins invasion isn't going according to plan and that over 4,000 Russian soldiers have died.



Are you sniffing glue now?

And the Ukraine MOD has said how many have died ? 40,000 it something ?

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• 7,000 Russian troops have been killed in battle, according to a US intelligence estimate

Russia's Losses in 3 Weeks of War in Ukraine Exceed Entire Wars

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LONDON (Reuters) - Russia has lost any illusions about ever relying on the West and Moscow will never accept a world order dominated by the United States, which is acting like a sheriff seeking to call all the shots in a saloon bar, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

Western nations have imposed sweeping sanctions across Russia's financial and corporate sectors in response to Moscow's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, plunging Russia's economy into its gravest crisis since the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union.

Lavrov, President Vladimir Putin's foreign minister since 2004, said the West's reaction to what Moscow has called a "special military operation" had illustrated that the West was completely dominated by the United States and that the European Union was largely powerless.

"If there was any illusion that we could one day rely on our Western partners, this illusion is no longer there," Lavrov told Russian state-funded RT in English.

Russia would look eastwards, he said.

"What the Americans want is a unipolar world which would not be like a global village but like an American village - or maybe like a saloon where you know the strongest calls the shots," Lavrov said.

He added that many countries such as China, India and Brazil did not want to be ordered around by "Uncle Sam" acting like a sheriff.
Russia's invasion has killed thousands of people, displaced more than 3 million and raised fears of a wider confrontation between Russia and the United States, the world's two biggest nuclear powers.

Lavrov's defiant response to the West's effort to isolate his country echoed that of Putin, who has indicated in recent days that the post-1991 era of Russian history has drawn to a close and that from now on Moscow will look to China, India and, increasingly, inwards.

We will now have to rely only on ourselves and on our allies who stay with us," Lavrov said. "We are not closing the door on the West - they are doing so."

As the Soviet Union crumbled and the Cold War ended, many in both Russia and the West hoped that the confrontations which had divided the post-World War Two world would recede or even be bridged.

Putin says Moscow's actions in Ukraine were necessary because NATO's enlargement threatened Russia, and that Moscow needed to save Russian-speaking people in Ukraine from oppression.

Ukraine casts the invasion as a Russian imperial-style land grab.

Russia says post-1991 'illusions' about the West are over (yahoo.com)


The reality is, the Unipolar world order ended on the ground some time ago. Now it is official. As for the once was 'Peace Dividend'- distant memory. The worlds main economic growth, population and GDP lie within the orbit of the other camp, I'm afraid. So does Continental Europe actually, although it will likely take some time for that reality to sink in. I really do not see anything to gloat about here.

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7,000 Russian troops have been killed in battle, according to a US intelligence estimate

what would be the normal ratio of seriously wounded ? this problem should start stacking up in russian hospitals soon

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If some wise heads go together, and went about setting up a Monaco/ Switzerland type low tax, asset protection, and lavish lifestyle type jurisdiction within Asia, I reckon there are billions to be made.

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Russia says post-1991 'illusions' about the West are over

That's what happens when you're a backward totalitarian regime that invades a neighbouring country on spurious grounds . . . all countries formerly under your tyranny wants security . . . in the west.

Fucking sucks to be Russia under despots.


(And no, you don't know how much Europe wanted a stable and prosperous Russia . . . unless you can invent Russian 'friends' that support your beliefs)

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At least your non-stop Triumphalism

Better than your non-stop Putin-apologist and war-supporting posts

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Shut up now, before you soil what little reputation you once had. .

Too late for that, he hasn't had a god one for a very long time

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As the article said, the EU is powerless. And it is the EU that is also the biggest loser, in Absolute terms. It's all very well to say that the biggest lndividual national losers are Russia (yeh!) and Ukraine (boohoo), but these are both relatively small economies- and the vast bulk of Russia's exports, in particular, are fungible, they can easily go elsewhere. Predictable US attempts to browbeat the likes of India and China into joining the largely caucasian sanctions club (and thus harming their own national interests) have fallen on deaf ears. So we can safely guess where those 'lost' commodity exports will now be going. Also to US chagrin (but European necessity) the Continent still takes a huge swathe of Russian natural gas exports.


So collectively, the effect of our joint 'foreign policy' has been to cleft the world into two main blocs- and we're stuck on the lower growth, and economically smaller side (a differential that will only increase). Does that seem real smart to you?

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Difficult to know what the losses are on both sides.

Both sides have had losses of course, but the Russians are losing far more and if you look to the interwebs there is a ton of proof to back that up.

However, Russia can afford to lose far more than the Ukraine.

I would totally agree, but I do not think there is as much left as you would think.

The majority of Russian losses also appear to be of old equipment that should have been scrapped years ago.

The entire "modernization" of the Russian army over the last ten years has been a fraud. It was merely a thin veneer, and most of those units were wiped out in the very first few days of the war. Most of the money earmarked for "modernization" went to yachts and private jets.

Perhaps Russia is keeping the good stuff in reserve in case of escalation.

It doesn't exist. The good stuff was designed and built, then exported and the profits trousered by the same oligarchs who own the yachts and jets.

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what would be the normal ratio of seriously wounded ? this problem should start stacking up in russian hospitals soon

They are...

UKraine war: Russian corpses 'shipped to Belarus in dead of night' | Metro News

More than 2,500 Russian bodies ‘sent to Belarus in dead of night’ as Kremlin hides true death toll

Ukraine war: Buses carrying corpses of Russian soldiers are filmed heading to Belarus | Daily Mail Online

In Belarusian Morgues And Hospitals, Clues To Russian Military Losses in Ukraine

Wounded Russian soldiers fill Belarusian hospitals | Europe | News and current affairs from around the continent | DW | 19.03.2022

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And the Ukraine MOD has said how many have died ? 40,000 it something ?

From the Vietnam war, to Iraq, to now, the Pentagon has provided ,good, truthful verified information to the public. Why should we stop believing then now?

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As the article said, the EU is powerless. And it is the EU that is also the biggest loser, in Absolute terms.

And it is simply a matter of bullshit. Why do you not believe any western media sources yet slavishly trust some halfwits from the Russian government and their lackeys.

Give it a rest - prove to me (us) with numbers from verifiable and widely accepted sources that the EU is the biggest loser and powerless.

Cut the ceaseless crap, sabang.


Again:

That's what happens when you're a backward totalitarian regime that invades a neighbouring country on spurious grounds . . . all countries formerly under your tyranny wants security . . . in the west.

Fucking sucks to be Russia under despots.


(And no, you don't know how much Europe wanted a stable and prosperous Russia . . . unless you can invent Russian 'friends' that support your beliefs)

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And it is simply a matter of bullshit.

Full on. He is a repetitive bore.

Why do you not believe any western media sources yet slavishly trust some halfwits from the Russian government and their lackeys.

Good luck with that.

Give it a rest - prove to me (us) with numbers from verifiable and widely accepted sources that the EU is the biggest loser and powerless.

He will trot out some more epic bullshit. Remember, like when he claimed that all the west was lying about Russia invading Ukraine and that the invasion would never happen?

Cut the ceaseless crap, sabang.

He seems to have a free hand here.

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And the Ukraine MOD has said how many have died ? 40,000 it something ?

I was testing you to see if you'd go with Putins official number. The Ukraine MOD has said about 14,000.

Now, what was that gibberish you said about Georgia and Transnistria?

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He will trot out some more epic bullshit.

Of course he will . . . but he claims to have been a banker and dealt with numbers . . . I have an economics and a professional business background so I'd be happy to hear concrete facts, not some bluster-bullshit Putin-cock-sucking sycophant like Lavrov.

This shit is a dime a dozen, opinions are like arseholes - everyone has one - on this board three or four seem to have much larger ones. Passing some vested-interest blurb off as fact is simply idiotic.

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Have some more 'epic bullshit', truth avoiders:-

Just the lost opportunity cost by canning NS2 is a big one- huge actually. Gotta be replaced by much higher priced LNG. Then there is the fact that Germany was Russia's largest trading partner and foreign investor. Was. Then there is the increased cost of weaponry- an additional 2% of GDP in Germany's case. Money no longer available for things that actually help people. And I suppose the money spent on all those refugees, and so on. And, boom tish- higher energy costs all round. Heating & petrol costs, delivery costs- inflationary. Europe is a major energy importer. Then there's wheat, and palladium- esesntial in auto manufacture. Europe is a big time loser.


But hey, don't take my word for it- read and weep:-


The economic policy consequences of the war

The Ukraine war will have significant economic policy consequences for the European Union and its members, arising from the adverse supply shock triggered by the rise in oil and gas prices, energy independence measures, the inflow of refugees and boosted defence spending. Their direct budgetary implications could be 1.1/4% of GDP in 2022.
Full Article- The economic policy consequences of the war | Bruegel



The economic consequences of Ukraine’s war will be severe for the European Union.


"Even outside of the war’s interruptions, rising gas costs have pushed up power rates due to the EU’s so-called marginal pricing scheme. They broke the record of €200 per megawatt-hour earlier this month. This is especially harsh for nations with harsh winters and high rates of “energy poverty,” such as much of Central and Eastern Europe. However, energy-intensive economies such as Finland and the Benelux nations are also suffering.Other repercussions might be felt as a result of trade. Commerce with Russia accounts for a modest fraction of total EU trade, but it provides a big number of raw commodities to the union, and specific reliance might disrupt supply networks. Russian timber accounts for half of Finland’s imports, while palladium — of which Russia controls 40% of world output — is a critical ingredient for the German and Italian automobile industries.
Wheat is another important commodity, since Russia and Ukraine are the world’s first and fifth largest exporters of grain, respectively, and prices have risen to a 14-year high due to concerns over global supply.
Then there’s inflation, which is likely to grow more and stay higher for a longer period of time than projected. These factors pushed the ECB to announce a speedier reduction of its bond-buying program on Thursday. Energy inflation is a significant driver of inflation, with little relief in sight. Brent oil soared above $120 per barrel on Wednesday, reaching levels not seen since 2008, before dipping to $109 on Monday."
Full article- https://lifewrap.org/ukraines-war-wi...lion-of-euros/

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I was testing you to see if you'd go with Putins official number. The Ukraine MOD has said about 14,000.

US DOD says 7000 so cutting the Ukrainian number in half seems to be conservative to me. However, if you watch some videos of the city buses that they converted into massive rolling morgues in Belarus, I would say that it is at least the US number if not much higher.

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Corpse trucks in Belarus...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1505289490658734092

https://twitter.com/blahireland/stat...89490658734092

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truth avoiders:-

The western media are all liars! Russia will never invade Ukraine. Over and over again for months, ad nauseam.

truth avoiders:-

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Smart people are reading the articles snubs, you can blather childishly on all you want.

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^ Fake propaganda not worth a response.

Anyway does Victor Orban want to be a man of history ? And take back the lands that were annexed to Ukraine. Maybe, judging by what they are saying on their political talk shows in Hungary about how the west Ukrainians treat the Hungarian minority. https://twitter.com/DonMessanger/sta...hxS8ghvkk3yg7g

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Hey Joe! Declare Belarus a threat to US security. Declare it a no fly zone. Be sure to say you have no intention of invading. Declare Brest and Gomel independent republics.

Then invade. Make sure you say only military installations will be targeted.

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Hey Joe! Declare Belarus a threat to US security. Declare it a no fly zone. Be sure to say you have no intention of invading. Declare Brest and Gomel independent republics.

Then invade. Make sure you say only military installations will be targeted.

Don't forget to threaten any nations that intervene with nukes.