Ukraine war mega thread

Joe Sixpack understands the cost of empire: endless warfare, a decaying home front, and a beclowned international reputation. They understand that a war between the U.S. and Russia will be unlike anything Americans have ever experienced. Although they cloak their condemnation of war with Russia in criticism of "weak Joe Biden," they understand it is the West that provoked this conflict and seeks to prolong it "to the last Ukrainian." They know that the conflict – even if it remains by-proxy – is a cost war-weary working class Americans do not want and cannot afford.


Is that more to your liking? Nothing off the rails about it at all. Where is the off ramp? Since when did 'Build back Better' become 'Fight to the last Ukrainian'?

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Originally Posted by Neverna

They may just use the ambient temperature of the water, as has been used in the UK

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Indeed however the ambient temperature in January is Sub Zero, a "Topper" is needed so power needed to keep the H20 in liquid form which may then be use to cool.

There are no new , mysteries here, other than which side has been shelling.

In fact NPP moderation is clearer than here, of course the consequences of a melt down may be more of an influencer than the great flouncers!!

Pleased to see you back our half lives are all aligned to ENTropy

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Originally Posted by david44

Indeed however the ambient temperature in January is Sub Zero, a "Topper" is needed so power needed to keep the H20 in liquid form which may then be use to cool.

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We are talking about cooling pools, pools of water to cool spent fuel once it has been removed from the reactor. That water is not used to cool the reactors, David. And there's no need to heat the water in the cooling pools.

^^^ It is bullshit. That is only what he wishes Joe Sixpack was thinking.

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Originally Posted by sabang

Joe Sixpack understands the cost of empire: endless warfare, a decaying home front, and a beclowned international reputation. They understand that a war between the U.S. and Russia will be unlike anything Americans have ever experienced. Although they cloak their condemnation of war with Russia in criticism of "weak Joe Biden," they understand it is the West that provoked this conflict and seeks to prolong it "to the last Ukrainian." They know that the conflict – even if it remains by-proxy – is a cost war-weary working class Americans do not want and cannot afford.

Is that more to your liking? Nothing off the rails about it at all. Where is the off ramp? Since when did 'Build back Better' become 'Fight to the last Ukrainian'?

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You have wrong about everything in this thread, no reason to change that now. No one has made a bigger fool of himself in here than you. Yet you continue to spew the same utter nonsense.

Here is some of the absolute shit you were spewing literally days before Russia invaded. There are pages and pages of this dross...

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Originally Posted by sabang

Still no Russian invasion then? How are the usual suspects gonna backpedal out of this when it becomes apparent that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine, as I have been telling you all along bedwetters? May as well start preparing your excuses now- you are gonna need 'em!

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Originally Posted by sabang

So, no 'Russian invasion' [TM] then. So pleased we finally agree.

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Originally Posted by sabang

I very much doubt there will be any war at all snubs (unless you count the entrenched forces taking occasional potshots at each other). And I have declared to you from the very beginning there will be no 'Russian invasion' [TM] of Ukraine. You really should hold those who hoodwinked you, and deliberately whipped up hysteria among gullible people, much more accountable. I really believe that.

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Yet you continue to make a complete fool of yourself in here.

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I know Putin wants to restore former soviet glories, but does that include being responsible for another nuclear disaster?

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^^^ I'm impressed, (and a wee bit spooked), that you are so deeply into the minutiae of my Posts you go to such incredible lengths to research them individually. But it's all been gone through before, do you ever tire of repeating yourself? :-

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Today we face an avoidable crisis between the United States and Russia that was predictable, willfully precipitated, but can easily be resolved by the application of common sense.

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Jack F. Matlock Jr - Wikipedia.


His most recent article-

Why the US must press for a ceasefire in Ukraine - Responsible Statecraft


The tragedy was that this war was allowed to break out in the first place, when it was easily avoidable. And I admit that I, along with a load of people considerably more prominent than I, thought that the war would be avoided by Diplomatic means- as could easily have been done. But no, the neo-cons have marched us into yet another disastrous war- and all you can do is "rally behind the flag". You never learn, do you?

OhOh, you seem to be losing gold stars under your name these days faster than the average Russian general. :)

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Originally Posted by sabang

do you ever tire of repeating yourself?

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You really need to ask yourself the same thing. Before the war, you screamed bluddy murder that Russia would never invade. You were made a fool of.

After that epic humiliation, you constantly repost the same shit debunked narrative. Go to the Putin thread and read the article penned by the Russian diplomat. He smashes your shit narratives to bits. He is far more qualified to comment on it than you and your shit clown car of old retreads.

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Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate. I am going to enjoy the taste of your tears until the day that the Ukrainians drive the last Russian out of the Donbass and Crimea.

Russia on Wednesday warned the United Nations not to probe alleged strikes by Iranian-made drones in Ukraine, joining Tehran in denying the weapons' origin as the European Union prepared new sanctions.


The United States, France and Britain called a closed-door Security Council meeting on the alleged sale of drones to Russia, which they described as a violation of UN arms restrictions on Iran.


The EU and U.S. both said they had evidence that Iran supplied the Shahed-136s, low-cost drones that explode on landing and are blamed for five deaths Monday in the capital Kyiv as well as for the destruction of civilian infrastructure.


Ukraine, which has moved to sever diplomatic relations with Tehran, says its military has shot down more than 220 Iranian drones in little more than a month.


But Russian diplomat Dmitry Polyanskiy denounced the "baseless accusations and conspiracy theories."

Ukraine War: Kyiv Tells Ukrainians to Use Less Energy - The Moscow Times

Ukrainian army officials say military aid is needed to advance past Russian fortified positions towards the city of Kherson.


Shevchenkove, Ukraine – On the side of a dirt road near Shevchenkove, southern Ukraine, 22-year-old Ukrainian soldier Roman lines up a Grad rocket launcher.

Seconds later, the nearly 60-year-old, Soviet-built weapon fires off a rocket at positions near the city of Kherson, occupied by Russian forces since the start of the invasion of Ukraine in late February.

The Ukrainian army has been gearing up for a new assault to retake the urban centre, but on Wednesday officials told Al Jazeera their counteroffensive had slowed in recent days, partly because Russian troops were heavily dug into fortified positions.

“The fortified positions that the enemy has established are concrete and they have a minimum of three lines of defence,” a Ukrainian army commander who identified himself as Mykola said.

“We are in high spirits, but we are lacking in equipment to move forward. So we are accumulating the hardware from our international partners [and] then we will advance because we are trying to protect our soldiers and they are prepared for us,” he added.

“The Russian army should not be underestimated.”

Officials from more than 50 Western countries met in Brussels last week to pledge more weapons for Ukraine, especially air defence systems.

FULL- In Kherson attack, Ukrainian spirits high but arms supplies low | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

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Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate.

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Deja vu. Exactly as you said before the fall of Mariupol, Luhansk, Donetsk and so on. Nostalgic stuff.

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Originally Posted by sabang

Deja vu. Exactly as you said before the fall of Mariupol, Luhansk, Donetsk and so on. Nostalgic stuff.

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Fucking liar. You have a lot of humiliation coming.

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Originally Posted by misskit

"baseless accusations and conspiracy theories."

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. . . he was talking about sabang. It must be nice to get recognition from those you adore

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Originally Posted by misskit

Russia on Wednesday warned the United Nations not to probe alleged strikes by Iranian-made drones in Ukraine, joining Tehran in denying the weapons' origin as the European Union prepared new sanctions.

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Well I suspect Russia will be disappointed.

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Originally Posted by misskit

as the European Union prepared new sanctions.

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More in a long line of sanctions

I thought that they had sanctioned almost everything by now, but apparently not.

For some reason they haven't yet sanctioned russian uranium.

Could be an idea...or not

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Originally Posted by Neverna

In the US, maybe. How about in Ukraine? I have seen nothing that indicates Ukraine uses a special cooling system to cool the water for spent fuel co

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The video, now moved, is a Canadian government product. As I suggested, similar, I suspect, to most countries.

Maybe not Japan.

As Ukraine NPP's are Russian design, I suggest Russia is well aware of their safety systems/operation requirements.

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Originally Posted by helge

More in a long line of sanctions

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Better than murdering civilians, I'd suggest.

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Originally Posted by panama hat

Better than murdering civilians, I'd suggest.

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I was airing my surprise, that there still was stuff to sanction.

It being in trade, culture or sport

You tell me.


Or don't

Sanctions are not only on goods, but also people, finance etc....

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Originally Posted by Takeovers

I profoundly enjoy the fact, that Russia needs to buy drones from Iran.

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Iran using Russia to conduct a proxy war. ;)

Russian fighter jet 'released missile' near British Royal Air Force aircraft over Black Sea

The conflict in Ukraine saw a surprising escalation on Thursday as a Russian fighter jet was reported to have earlier attacked a plane from the British Royal Air Force near the Black Sea. According to the Sun, the Russian fighter jets fired a missile towards an unarmed RAF plane while it was on a “routine patrol mission” in international airspace.

The attack was confirmed by Defence Secretary Ben Wallace during his speech at the House of Commons. He said that the incident happened on September 29, and it involved two Su-27 fighter jets.

“I’ve communicated my concerns directly to my Russian counterpart, Defence Minister Shoigu and the Chief of Defence Staff in Moscow,” he said.


The Guardian reported him adding, “In my letter, I made clear that the aircraft was unarmed and in international airspace, following a pre-notified flight path and that it was a potentially dangerous engagement.”


In response, Russia said that it was not a planned attack and described it as a “technical malfunction”. In the letter sent in October, the Russian defence ministry said that the firing was the result of a misunderstanding and said that the jets experienced technical difficulties.

"We are dealing with a president and indeed Russian forces who, as we've seen from the Rivet Joint incident, not beyond making the wrong calculation... that the rules don't apply to them."

Russian fighter jet 'released missile' near British Royal Air Force aircraft over Black Sea - World News

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Just a moment...

Zelensky Accuses Russia of Mining Dam in South Ukraine

President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday accused Russia of planting mines at a hydroelectric dam in the Kherson region of southern Ukraine, which is under the control of Moscow's forces.


"According to our information, the aggregate and dam of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant were mined by Russian terrorists," Zelensky said in his daily address published on social networks.


"If the dam is destroyed... the North Crimean canal will simply disappear", and this would be "a catastrophe on a grand scale", the Ukraine leader added.


Earlier Thursday Zelensky told the European Union that "Russia's leadership has given the order to turn the energy system itself into a battlefield."


Speaking via videolink he warned that would spur a new wave of Ukrainian refugees fleeing to Europe.


"The consequences of this are very dangerous, again for all of us in Europe," Zelensky told EU leaders meeting in Brussels for a summit.


The dam of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station is built on the Dnieper river, in an area currently under the control of the Russian army and not far from the line of contact with Ukrainian forces.

Zelensky Accuses Russia of Mining Dam in South Ukraine - The Moscow Times

^ From yesterday.

ISW: Russia may be planning false-flag attack on Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant

Russia may be preparing to carry out a false-flag attack on the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (HPP) in Ukraine’s Kherson region, according to a new assessment from the American think tank the Institute for the Study of War.


According to the report’s authors, their conclusions are based on recent statements from General Sergey Surovikin, the commander of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and Vladimir Saldo, the head of the collaborationist administration in the occupied part of the Kherson region. Both men have claimed Ukraine is preparing to destroy the dam at the Kakhovka HPP in order to flood the surrounding areas.


The analysts believe Russia is trying to lay the groundwork to blame Ukraine for the death and destruction caused by the attack.


The Russian military may believe that breaching the dam could cover their retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro River and prevent or delay Ukrainian advances across the river. [...] The Kremlin could attempt to leverage such a false-flag attack to overshadow the news of a third humiliating retreat for Russian forces, this time from western Kherson.


https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/10/20...ic-power-plant

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Originally Posted by misskit

^ From yesterday.

ISW: Russia may be planning false-flag attack on Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant

Russia may be preparing to carry out a false-flag attack on the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (HPP) in Ukraine’s Kherson region, according to a new assessment from the American think tank the Institute for the Study of War.


According to the report’s authors, their conclusions are based on recent statements from General Sergey Surovikin, the commander of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and Vladimir Saldo, the head of the collaborationist administration in the occupied part of the Kherson region. Both men have claimed Ukraine is preparing to destroy the dam at the Kakhovka HPP in order to flood the surrounding areas.


The analysts believe Russia is trying to lay the groundwork to blame Ukraine for the death and destruction caused by the attack.


The Russian military may believe that breaching the dam could cover their retreat from the right bank of the Dnipro River and prevent or delay Ukrainian advances across the river. [...] The Kremlin could attempt to leverage such a false-flag attack to overshadow the news of a third humiliating retreat for Russian forces, this time from western Kherson.


https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/10/20...ic-power-plant

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With their record you wouldnt put anything past them. War criminals from top to bottom.