President Joe Biden

**panama hat** · 08-11-2021, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Samuel

When I support the republicans

. . . being the operative word. Problem is you procalim that 'the Republicans' passed the bill and that it was bi-partisan when only just over a dozen crossed the aisle.

Credit where credit is due to the dozen+ who did

**Samuel** · 08-11-2021, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Credit where credit is due to the dozen+ whodid

Agree — as it wouldn't have passed without their votes.

**S Landreth** · 08-11-2021, 06:35 AM

^not true

**Buckaroo Banzai** · 08-11-2021, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

As she spoke with Mr Biden on Monday evening, it has been claimed that Camilla was surprised to hear the US president break wind, in an emission audible enough to make the duchess blush.

“It was long and loud and impossible to ignore,” the Mail on Sunday quoted a source as saying. “Camilla hasn't stopped talking about it.”

Why do people post crap articles like this??
An elderly person passing wind?That is shocking!!
What is more shocking though is Camilla publicly talking about it. Which of course she didn't.
I am willing to bet the Paper making the claim is Rightist paper.
What I like to see Is a Leftist paper making the claim that Camilla replied by also passing wind. LOL
I would love to be present at the press conference where she denies it.

**S Landreth** · 08-11-2021, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

It is FaRT, being disingenuous is his MO.

I was wrong. After further review, a simple majority would be needed to pass the bill (218). Mrs. Pelosi needed the 3 extra Yea votes.

**helge** · 08-11-2021, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

AOC and her squad voted against it.

It was originally tied with the BBB Act (don't know what that is

), which was supposed to be voted through a the same time.

It wasn't and AOC and her.....Squad has little trust that it will be, in its originally form.

Clever girl

Someone here will be able to explain it to me

**Norton** · 08-11-2021, 03:25 PM

The $1.2 trillion bill that passed is known as BIF (Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework). Include investment in roads, bridges, water qualaty and internet.

The $1.75 trillion social spending bill, dubbed the Build Back Better Act (BBB) did not recieve a vote. Contained funding for early childhood care and education and for fighting climate change, as well as key health care reforms. Will be voted on later this month and is going to be a tough one to pass. Figure will end up far less than $1.7 trillion. Progressives want this one bad and majority moderate Dems want as well but findind a single Republican vote will be near impossible.

**helge** · 08-11-2021, 03:35 PM

Thank You

**Samuel** · 08-11-2021, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

AOC and her squad voted against it.

Originally Posted by Norton

The $1.75 trillion social spending bill, dubbed the Build Back Better Act (BBB) did not recieve a vote.

Originally Posted by helge

It wasn't and AOC and her.....Squad has little trust that it will be, in its originally form.

Yep and from what I've read the moderate democrats say they'll still vote for it at a later date — just want to see the full numbers, costed by the CBO.

Then, of course — the senate: Will the parliamentarian allow the bill to be passed under budget reconciliation (allows a simple majority to pass legislation) and will Manchin/Sinema be on board.

A steep hill to climb, as it were.

**Cujo** · 08-11-2021, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

Yep and from what I've read the moderate democrats say they'll still vote for it at a later date — just want to see the full numbers, costed by the CBO.

Then, of course — the senate: Will the parliamentarian allow the bill to be passed under budget reconciliation (allows a simple majority to pass legislation) and will Manchin/Sinema be on board.

A steep hill to climb, as it were.

Is it not yet a done deal?

**Samuel** · 08-11-2021, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Is it not yet a done deal?

IMO, it won't pass in the senate — even if it passes in the house.

**helge** · 08-11-2021, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

Is it not yet a done deal?

No

And it won't be, and if, then a watered down version.

The clever girl saw that, and now she and the......Squaaaaaad, can't be blamed for being a gullible twat, or one of the usual lying politicians.

**panama hat** · 09-11-2021, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Samuel

IMO, it won't pass in the senate — even if it passes in the house.

Isn't a simple majority required?

**RPETER65** · 09-11-2021, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

So why was your orange god not able to pass a similar bill? Maybe due to the fact that that failed administration was completely incompetent and dysfunctional?

Maybe due to the fact the Trump hating Congress was not about to give him anything.

**panama hat** · 09-11-2021, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Maybe due to the fact the Trump hating Congress was not about to give him anything.

So, being in control of the House and the Senate didn't work out for you there, repeater?

Excuses 101 - ask a Trump-Troll

**bsnub** · 09-11-2021, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Excuses 101 - ask a Trump-Troll

They seem to be running rampant of late in here.

**Samuel** · 09-11-2021, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Samuel

Then, of course — the senate: Will the parliamentarian allow the bill to be passed under budget reconciliation (allows a simple majority to pass legislation) and will Manchin/Sinema be on board.

Originally Posted by Samuel

IMO, it won't pass in the senate — even if it passes in the house.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Isn't a simple majority required?

No — as you may know, in the US, the Senate is considered the deliberative and prestigious chamber where consensus is normally required (60 votes) to pass a bill — unless it is budget-related, undergoes a "Byrd bath" and can then pass with a simple majority under reconciliation.

**Cujo** · 09-11-2021, 03:04 PM

So it's still got to be approved by the senate？ Then why the hell is everyone talking like it's a done deal？

**harrybarracuda** · 09-11-2021, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

So it's still got to be approved by the senate？ Then why the hell is everyone talking like it's a done deal？

If they say they "have enough votes" then it's likely that they "have enough votes".

Unless someone changes their mind. But usually these bills include a little incentive for each state so senators can crow about their achievements.

**bsnub** · 09-11-2021, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

IMO, it won't pass in the senate — even if it passes in the house.

It will pass the senate. The fact that you think it won't is just further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about most of the time you post here.

**Samuel** · 09-11-2021, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

It will pass the senate.

Which bill are you talking about?

**bsnub** · 09-11-2021, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

Which bill are you talking about?

Which one do you think, numb nut? The infrastructure bill already passed, just what does that leave? Ask stupid questions, win stupid prizes.

**Samuel** · 09-11-2021, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Ask stupid questions, win stupid prizes.

Originally Posted by bsnub

numb nut

Why do you always sound like an angry guy living in his parents' basement? oh wait.

Originally Posted by bsnub

It will pass the senate. The fact that you think it won't is just further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about most of the time you post here.

Unlike BIF (Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework) which received Republican support and passed with a vote of 69-30 in the senate — the Buildback Better bill will not get any Republican votes and as discussed already on this thread, Dems hope the parliamentarian will allow them to pass it under reconciliation (51 votes needed).

That's unlikely to happen with the way the bill has been written in the house.

Originally Posted by bsnub

It will pass the senate. The fact that you think it won't is just further proof that you have no idea what you are talking about most of the time you post here.

The Washington Post doesn't seem to agree with you that the bill's passing is a sure thing, BSnub:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...spending-deal/

With infrastructure victory in hand, Democrats brace for next battle over $2 trillion spending bill

Infrastructure deal gave new life to Democrats, but major hurdles await as centrists and liberals remain wary of each other.

Manchin is not the sole obstacle in the chamber, where concerns linger among a wider community of lawmakers. Even Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the architect of the original $3.5 trillion spending blueprint, has taken issue with the House-drafted bill for the way it handles state and local taxes — restoring a deduction, he has said, that amounts to an “absurd and hypocritical” tax break for higher-income earners.

But an even tougher test may not come from any senator at all. To pass their package in the narrowly divided chamber, where Democrats have only a tiebreaking advantage, the party has opted to rely on a process known as reconciliation. It allows them to avoid a GOP filibuster, but it carries strict rules that limit the measure to proposals with clear budgetary effects.

To stay within the confines of reconciliation, Democrats have to craft their proposal carefully and survive scrutiny from the chamber’s parliamentarian. Otherwise, entire portions of the bill could be struck — a prospect that looms especially large over the party’s plans to try to address immigration in the so-called Build Back Better Act. The newly revised House bill would allow the government to “parole” undocumented immigrants by giving them five-year work permits that shield them from deportation. The Senate’s rulekeeper previously has advised Democrats against including some immigration policies in the package.

**bsnub** · 09-11-2021, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Samuel

Why do you always sound like an angry guy living in his parents' basement? oh wait.

You really are projecting with that dumb right-wing stereotype, but you are an idiot and not creative at all, so that is not a surprise.

Originally Posted by Samuel

The Washington Post doesn't seem to agree with you that the bill's passing is a sure thing

Nice to see you cherry-picking from an article when it is clearly just pointing out obstacles the bill faces, all of which can be overcome. The article never states that the bill will not pass.

As usual posting disingenuous misleading distortions. Your posts are a waste of time to read.

**Samuel** · 09-11-2021, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

all of which can be overcome.

Well, you seem more certain than Dick Durbin, the senate majority whip.

Durbin: 'I don't know' if Manchin will vote for Build Back Better

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois told Yahoo News, “I don’t know,” whether Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., will provide the crucial 50th vote for Build Back Better, President Biden’s signature budget bill, on Saturday.

“I don’t know the answer to that,” Durbin, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said when asked if the Senate would muster the votes to pass the hotly contested legislation. “First, we have to get it through the parliamentarian’s office and through 50 Democratic senators.”

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Samuel

Originally Posted by bsnub

Nothing he says is even worth reading

Then, don't read my posts — and zip your foul mouth.

What did I just say?

You seem to be reading my posts — a day after saying you won't.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Your posts are a waste of time to read.

Yet, you have a strange compulsion to reply to them.

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