Thread: Kyle Rittenhouse. Murder or self defense ?

Sure, after all there hasn't been a mass shooting incident in the USA since....yesterday.

...and anyone trying to stop an active shooter can be shot in self defence.

Righto USA.

Originally Posted by Troy

trying to stop an active shooter

He wasn't an active shooter.

He didn't fire a shot until attacked by an armed robber that assaulted him and tried to steal his gun, those shots were in self defense and well controlled - 4 defensive shots as opposed to unloading.

After that he fired and wounded an armed robber (that was also trying to take his weapon) that was coming at him with a gun drawn and pointed at him.


Great examples of controlled self defense.

Gone a little quiet around here . I wonder why. Grosskraut made the mistake of telling the truth.

Kyle Rittenhouse Defenders Are Saying This Is the Moment the Prosecution Collapsed

A key part in the testimony from Gaige Grosskreutz, who was shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha in August 2020, proved that the 18-year-old was acting in self-defense when he fired, supporters of the defendant have argued.

Grosskreutz took to the stand on Monday to give evidence in the trial of Rittenhouse, who is accused of shooting the 28-year-old during a Black Lives Matter protest and killing two others, Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber.


The prosecution hoped that Grosskreutz's testimony would show that the then 17-year-old was not in Kenosha that day in order to protect the Wisconsin city or help those injured in the disorder, but was in fact one of the facilitators of the violence.

While being chased down the street after shooting and killing Rosenbaum, footage from the scene shows Rittenhouse falling to ground and being descended upon by Huber, who hits him with a skateboard.

On Monday, Grosskreutz told the jury how he thought Rittenhouse was an active shooter that night, adding that he thought he "was going to die."


Grosskreutz, who was armed with a handgun at the time, said he approached Rittenhouse with his hands in the air but saw the defendant "re-racking" his gun in order to fire again.


"Re-racking the weapon, in my mind, meant the defendant wasn't accepting my surrender," Grosskreutz said.

However, under cross-examination by Rittenhouse's lawyer Corey Chirafisi, Grosskreutz was shown photos which appear to show him pointing his handgun towards Rittenhouse as he was on the ground moments before the defendant fired.


"So when you were standing three to five feet from him with your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?" Chirafisi, asked, reported The New York Times.


"Correct," Grosskreutz replied.


"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun—now your hands down, pointed at him—that he fired, right?" Chirafisi added.


"Correct," Grosskreutz said.

A clip of Grosskreutz's testimony in which he admitted that he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse was shared on Twitter by lawyer David Freiheit, a YouTuber who goes by the name Viva Frei online, where it has since been viewed more than 2.7 million times.


Freiheit tweeted the clip along with the caption: "Rittenhouse trial should be over immediately." The clip came from a live-stream of the court proceedings hosted by Nick Rekieta, a Minnesota lawyer and owner of Rekieta Media.


Conservative talk show host Megyn Kelly was one of those who also tweeted out the clip.


"Huge, huge moment at Rittenhouse trial. You don't get many moments like this as a trial attny," Kelly wrote.


Grosskreutz, who is trained as a paramedic, argues he was in Kenosha that night to provide medical assistance and had no intention of firing despite being armed.


"That's not the kind of person that I am. That's not why I was out there," he said.


Speaking to Spectrum News, John Gross, a clinical associate professor of law at the University of Wisconsin Law School and director of the Public Defender Project, described the testimony from Grosskreutz as "remarkable."


"His admission under cross-examination that at the time he was shot that he'd started to point his weapon at Mr. Rittenhouse—all of those things support the defense argument that [Rittenhouse] was acting in self-defense at that point," Gross said.


Gross added that the jury must still consider whether they believe Rittenhouse was in Kenosha to provide medical assistance despite having no formal training, unlike his injured victim.


"I think there will definitely be this pull on the jurors to say, 'Why was he there? What did he hope to accomplish?'" Gross added. "I think the prosecution did a nice job this morning of setting up Mr. Grosskreutz as being there to render aid and assistance because he was a trained paramedic—Mr. Rittenhouse was not."

Kyle Rittenhouse Defenders Are Saying This Is the Moment the Prosecution Collapsed

Originally Posted by Edmond

The Rittenhouse method of self-defense could be taught in US schools.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Great examples of controlled self defense.

Originally Posted by misskit

"It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun—now your hands down, pointed at him—that he fired, right?" Chirafisi added.

"Correct," Grosskreutz said.

Maybe Kyle could go a national tour of schools, educating children on how to properly behave in such a situation.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Gone a little quiet around here . I wonder why. Grosskraut made the mistake of telling the truth.

Grosskreutz stated that Rittenhause had a blockage and had to recock his weapon. This happened while his hands were up. Was that confirmed on video? I've been too busy today to watch any of it. Anyway, if this is true then it should have been emphasised by prosecution.

No doubting Rittenhouse was a scared puppy that night. Let's wait for him to get on the stand and find out what he has to say.

^ Yes, you're quite right helge, however, one would hope that a civilian carrying a rifle in a public place during a riot would forfeit his right to self defence.

...and yes, in Europe just carrying one would make you a legitimate target for the police.

ritenhouse is going to take the stand in a few minutes.

speaking now, on the stand.

ritenhouse is solid.

good actor. Well coached

Originally Posted by Samuel

ritenhouse is solid.

I seem some of it. He's fairly well spoken

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Yes, you're quite right helge, however, one would hope that a civilian carrying a rifle in a public place during a riot would forfeit his right to self defence.

...and yes, in Europe just carrying one would make you a legitimate target for the police.

It was a misdemeanor change for him to carry the long gun that night. If he had carried a pistol , that's more than a misdemeanor. Either way, he wasn't obligated to forfeit his life even if he had an illegal pistol.

Originally Posted by beachbound

beachbound

The judge seems like an angry drunk

^
A babbling angry drunk, who made his mind up about the case, before it started.

Originally Posted by backspin

he's fairly well coached

…ftfy…

Originally Posted by panama hat

The judge seems like an angry drunk

Doesn't seem like a drunk at all. You are just talking utter bollocks again like usual

Originally Posted by Bonecollector

Joseph Rosenbaum was a nonce apparently.

Apologies if you have already discussed, I cannot be fucked to scroll through 25pages.

Can't stand these vile charlatans who claim to be bastions of human decency when in actual fact are scum.

Joseph Rosenbaum Sex Offender Arizona '02 Criminal Complaint

​So a pedophile, domestic abuser and felon walk into a bar.... Kyle Rittenhouse says : "SHOTS ARE ON ME"

Originally Posted by Backspit

​So a pedophile, domestic abuser and felon walk into a bar.... Kyle Rittenhouse says : "SHOTS ARE ON ME"

We can now add tasteless, and unfunny to your list of redeeming qualities.

Big man with a gun, e'hhh. Or a pathetic crybaby. Not such a tough guy now are we?? Pathetic.

^I wonder if the blubbering was part of the script, or did he ad-lib.

Originally Posted by beachbound

^I wonder if the blubbering was part of the script, or did he ad-lib.

No gun = No tough