Just changing the record for you ladies.
Just changing the record for you ladies.
Drunky Mc.Drunk face to you!
So not one comment at all relevant to the OP or addressing my very simple, basic quotes about Freedom of expression, and Censorship. Socratic Method- lets not even go there. Oh, but it's because I must be all bitter n twisted about Thailand then. Obviously. Nothing to do with the fact you lemmings have no intelligent response, at all. You really are being Owned, aren't you- is this the sum total of your collective wisdom? Don't you even have a single literate Dear Leader who can perhaps write something coherent in response?
Or shall I just have done with it, and call you Owned Slaves?
I'll not even bother responding to all of the Off topic posts (Mods?) beyond saying you are utterly totally wrong. But lets at least follow your collective attempt at rational argument. So, because I am allegedly a 'bitter n twisted about Thailand' 'ex Mod' who 'left Thailand in a hurry', 'prime Trump material', 'on-line MBA' possessing person who's position you disagree with in regards to Free speech and Censorship, therefore Noam Chomsky is only qualified to comment about Linguistics, and the famous saying attributed to Voltaire about dissenting opinions is not applicable in society today? How pathetic, even by TD standards. And yet you are all so butt hurt about being laughed at.
Guess that's enough Whackamole for tonights entertainment.
“What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.”
― Salman Rushdie
A glass of whine later once the children have gone to bed.
Real on topic. Actually, I'm not. I was yesterday though, also a little Herbie Hancock. Wrong again.and this is why you shouldn’t post when drunk.
How exactly are two (well three now) well known quotes about Freedom of Expression, and by extension Censorship, a 'strawman argument'?
Well that’s a straw man too because I clearly wasn’t referring to quotes.Originally Posted by sabang
Any more silly and hypocritical logical fallacies or are you all out?
Yeah OK Drunky.Originally Posted by NamPikToot
Find the correct thread and / or sleep it off.
You seem a bit bent out of shape here, and I am not sure why. So, my understanding is that a bunch of notable people signed a letter, basically saying that unpopular opinions should not be stifled, and that people should not be silenced because of those opinions. As you remark, harking back to Voltaire, so a pretty old discussion. But where it all seems to go a bit agly is when people realized that one of those signatories was JK Rowling, who has some very controversial opinions on transgenderism. So when finding out, as far as I can see at least two people wanted their names taken off, because of the presence of Rowlings. The pretty much EXACT opposite of the letters intent. They seem to be saying "we must preserve the right to have unpopular opinions, providing that I infact agree with those unpopular opinions, which by any take is pure bullshit.
Now, I would be interesting in your opinion if you think I have misunderstood what is going on, seriously.
^ if Dave changes to Dianne he'll always be Dave to me even if he claims to have periods.
Well kindly be specific then. What are you referring to?Well that’s a straw man too because I clearly wasn’t referring to quotes.
My position can be stated quite simply. I believe people have the fundamental Right to express their opinion in a free society, and not be censored or censured for doing so. Hence the Chomsky quote.
Where would I draw the line? Hate speech- by which I mean admonitions of violence, expulsion, exclusion, discrimination etc against those you disagree with. Hence the Voltaire quote.
A further posit from this position may be more controversial to some. I actually believe you have a de facto obligation to rationally debate in favour of your viewpoint, without fear of recrimination or discrimination. If capable (sorry TD).
I further believe that the acceptance of these stated positions is a large part of the reason for the success of our Democratic societies to date. Pluralism, diversity, tolerance etc breeds Strength- not Mob rule. A free market of Thought, Opinion and Ideas. Not believing so seems to me pre-Rennaisance, and totally undemocratic.
To sum up, I am not the sensitive type. You are both entitled and welcome to disagree with my opinion on any given topic- and vigorously debate your point of view. I would have thought that was obvious from my Issue's Mod stint.
But if you would deny me or others the same Right, yet accept the many benefits of living in this diverse, tolerant sociopolitical system of ours, then I call you out as a Hypocrite. No, I do not like the current trend of censoriousness and 'Groupthink'. I consider it quite worrying and damaging actually. The OP is both timely and relevant- cheers looper.
^^ it is amazing that those who consider themselves liberal or left of center are the ones who immediately lambaste anyone who does not share their views on a whole range of issues as right wing. I may not agree with various opinions left, right or otherwise but i respect peoples right to have them in a free society and that freedom seems to be under threat these days. Furthermore there seems to be no humour attached to disagreeing with someone, here the default is immediate attack of a personal nature.
"We are all Hypocrites"
Noam Chomsky
But it is an inclination we should fight.
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