Refugees don't leave their conflicts behind

[HermantheGerman]

'Refugees don't leave their conflicts behind'

Following reports of aggressive incidents in German refugee shelters, authorities are looking for ways to calm the situation. Suggestions include separate housing for Muslim and Christian asylum-seekers.

There are no official statistics, but aid organizations, social workers and volunteers note that ethnic, social, cultural and religious tensions are on the rise in Germany's overcrowded refugee shelters.
Separating refugees according to religion is now being mentioned as an interim solution to help alleviate the problems.
Up to one million migrants are expected to arrive in the country before the end of the year. The sudden surge in asylum demands this year has authorities scrambling for housing for refugees from war zones such as Syria, but also migrants from Albania and Kosovo. Often converted hotels, gyms, schools and tents are used as makeshift shelters.
Tempers flare easily at close quarters. In Leipzig last week, about 200 refugees wielding table legs and bed frames started a fight after they couldn't agree who got to use one of the few toilets first. It took a large police contingent to calm the situation.
Tip of the iceberg
Other recent incidents include a riot at a refugee shelter in central Germany over a torn Koran and Muslim Chechens beating up Syrian Christians in a Berlin shelter.
Islam is a part of Germany, but Islamism clearly isn't, said opposition Greens party leader Cem Özdemir, adding that tolerance must not be misinterpreted and exploited as weakness.
But insults, threats, discrimination and blackmail against Christian asylum-seekers in particular are a regular occurrence, according to the Munich-based Central Council for Oriental Christians (ZOCD).
"I've heard so many reports from Christian refugees who were attacked by conservative Muslims," said Simon Jacob, of the Central Council for Oriental Christians (ZOCD).
But that's only the tip of the iceberg, the ZOCD board member told DW: "The number of unreported cases is much higher."
It's 'move over' as more refugees arrive daily

The refugees are afraid and mistrustful of authorities, and worried about possible retribution against their families at home, so they rarely call the police, he explained. They have to learn that they have duties and rights in Germany, Jacob said.
Overcrowding isn't the main issue anyway, Jacob argued - it's merely the trigger: "People bring with them the conflicts that exist in their native countries, Christians and Muslims, Kurds and extremists, Shiites and Sunnis - they don't leave them behind at the border." These conflicts erupt when the refugees - often traumatized - are forced to live close together, he added.
Quick fix
For the time being, different religions could be housed separately, Jacob said - but stressed that can only be an interim solution.
It's of the utmost importance that the refugees be integrated in the German system of values, otherwise, they will live in parallel societies, he warned.
The eastern state of Thuringia already tries to house refugees separately depending on their country of origin, but declines to separate them by religion. "Intensely religious" Muslims above all must learn to live with other religions, Migration Minister Dieter Lauinger said.
Bavaria takes into account ethnic background and religion. "Bavaria won't condone attacks on asylum-seekers, and that includes conflicts among the refugees," said Emilia Müller, the state's Minister for Social Affairs.
Police lack resources
Not just local authorities are overwhelmed by the sheer numbers and tasks - German police feel overburdened, too.
Bitter rivalries at close quarters

"The police are at their limits," said Jörg Radek, deputy chief of Germany's police union GdP. Officers are tasked with registering newcomers, reconciling differences in the shelters and protecting them from far-right extremist attacks.
"We have to do everything in our power to prevent further violence in the shelters," Radek said - and urged housing people of different religions separately.
Different groups band together, and that can quickly turn into a major brawl, Radek said. "In that case, it's not enough to send a lone patrol car," Radek said.
Private security firms already guard some refugee shelters, but according to the refugees, their staff usually stays out of religiously-motivated strife.
But Radek urged hiring even more private security offices to take the pressure off regular police officers. Ideally, the municipalities should hire security personnel experienced in intercultural affairs, he said: "Personnel that understands the various refugee groups' idiosyncrasies."


http://www.dw.com/en/refugees-dont-l...ind/a-18746390

[Horatio Hornblower]

welcome to Ghetto Germany.

[birding]

How about housing them in different countries, like where they came from.

[Takeovers]

How about housing them in different countries, like where they came from.

How about doing what the umbrella organization of Muslim groups in germany suggested? Throw them out as soon as they act up.

[thaimeme]

How about housing them in different countries, like where they came from.

How about not perpetuating and instigating the continuing imperial quest and leaving them the fuck alone to begin with.

Not your business or interests -

[DrB0b]

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Just look at that! Hordes of strapping young men, not a woman or child in sight!

[Takeovers]

Just look at that! Hordes of strapping young men, not a woman or child in sight!

Oh please!

Of all people you should not confuse the picture displayed by the press with reality. The media are in full pity mode. All those young children and the pregnant women need your help, please accept them and support them. Statistics are more like 80% young men.

[nigelandjan]

Statistics are more like 80% young men.

More like 80% spineless bastards who would rather become economic migrants than stand and fight for their Country

[billy the kid]

How about housing them in

there's a whole bunch holed up in thee ole
Dachau concentration camp.
Munich.
They really like it.

[Takeovers]

Where are you right now that you have such an insight into reality?

I am in Germany. I know because I am exposed to that vomit inducing propaganda barrage every day. According to the media everybody who does not welcome them with open arms is a rightwing extremist.

[RPETER65]

How about housing them in different countries, like where they came from.

How about not perpetuating and instigating the continuing imperial quest and leaving them the fuck alone to begin with.

Not your business or interests -

I see in matters like this you always post from hind sight the problem with that is, it is a little late for that approach the problem is in the now not the past.

[Takeovers]

Occasionally something slips through the propaganda. A report about buildings that was supposed to house refugees burn down and some media man says it is no longer just right wing extremists doing such things but people out of the middle of society. But such slips are rare. Burning down buildings happens in many locations. They burn, before people move in and politicians express righteous outrage over the extremists doing something like this, that is the reaction we usually see in the media.

[HermantheGerman]

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Just look at that! Hordes of strapping young men, not a woman or child in sight!

Don't you get tired of repeating your nonsense ? Give me facts you fool !

Stick to your history threads that other people have researched for you !

[thaimeme]

How about housing them in different countries, like where they came from.

How about not perpetuating and instigating the continuing imperial quest and leaving them the fuck alone to begin with.

Not your business or interests -

I see in matters like this you always post from hind sight the problem with that is, it is a little late for that approach the problem is in the now not the past.

Yes....
How convenient for your [and others] latent reasoning.

[nigelandjan]

I do feel sorry for any of you lads based in Germany

Do you honestly think Mrs M will ever be voted in again after her well meaning ill though out debacle ??

[Neverna]

Statistics are more like 80% young men.

More like 80% spineless bastards who would rather become economic migrants than stand and fight for their Country

Says the man who is going to move to Spain because he doesn't like what the UK has become.

[nigelandjan]

I'm gonna retire to Spain to be in a warmer climate and live for a fraction of the cost I can live in the UK you braindead dipshit . Nothing to do with whats gonna happen in the UK by taking on these economic migrants .

Anyway I won't be going anywhere my missus aint 100% happy to go , so if it means retiring in the UK and visiting the land of fake smiles now and again thats what it will be .

[Neverna]

I'm gonna retire to Spain to be in a warmer climate and live for a fraction of the cost I can live in the UK you braindead dipshit . Nothing to do with whats gonna happen in the UK by taking on these economic migrants .

Anyway I won't be going anywhere my missus aint 100% happy to go , so if it means retiring in the UK and visiting the land of fake smiles now and again thats what it will be .

So an economic migrant!



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Have a nice day, Nigel.

[pseudolus]

'Refugees don't leave their conflicts behind'

Tragic - are they getting bombed by American planes in Germany as well? Or are they having their heads hacked off by US sponsored terrorists?

Such as shame.

[nigelandjan]

No flaming or abuse allowed.

Under normal circumstances yes ,, but in your case its factual so its ok

[Neverna]

^ it's ... it's ...

[Prikkus]

how about just kicking these fucking parasites back to where they came from? that would be the right solution

[Pragmatic]

It'll all end in tears.

[sabang]

No, refugees fleeing a war zone do not leave their conflicts behind, and I think it is stupid to house refo's fleeing different sides of a conflict anyhwere near each other. Asking for trouble. The main secular (and advanced) communities in Syria are Allawite and Christian- they get on fine together. Then you've got the Sunni's, often Islamist, who kicked off the rebellion, and presumably some Kurds. Like a religiously conservative Sunni IS supporter, basically a peasant, is gonna happily sleep in a bed next to a Allawite or Christian urban professional, who is probably not so far different to a westerner in being indifferent about religion? Fat chance.

[Neverna]

Like a religiously conservative Sunni IS supporter, basically a peasant, is gonna happily sleep in a bed next to a Allawite or Christian urban professional, who is probably not so far different to a westerner in being indifferent about religion? Fat chance.

I take it you have never been to the Middle East, sabang.