US carries out ‘precision defensive strikes’ in Iraq and Syria against Iranian-backed

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Excellent article OO, will green when I can. It glaringly also points out the utter paucity of decent analysis, and the utter and profound corruption of our so called MSM. Which means, in turn, our society is utterly corrupted. Can't emphasize this enough, even though few want to listen- We (or at least those that purport to represent us) are the Baddies now, not the only Baddies of course, but bad guys nonetheless. We have abandoned any semblance of the moral code and checks and balances that once set us apart as a system and society. Sad.

The main enemy by far that Soleiman had killed were Isis. The main groups killing us are Sunni, underpinned and often financed by the vile Saudi Wahabi sect (and, paradoxically, ourselves too). So who is our enemy? Why Soleiman of course, who along with Putin makes us look cheap, ineffectual and utterly hypocritical in the War on Terror we so spuriously and dishonestly declared. We don't really fight terrorists or terrorism at all- rather, we use them as useful idiots while committing terrorist atrocities ourselves. If that makes you feel good, or justified as a westerner, well so be it.

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Of course poorly educated folk like yourself aren't aware that the reason IS/ISIS/ISIL exists in the first place is in response to Shi'a violence against Sunni after Saddam was taken out.

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Blair was "chosen" by the secretive Bilderberg Group as Labour leader after John Smith died suddenly. His agenda coincided with Bush's in the US. Most of the mainstream media is also controlled by Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Committee of 300, Royal Institute for International Affairs members. Basically, the establishment / secret cabal of bankers, military, and industrialists writing their own news and our history..

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Someone's been listening to Alex Jones again.

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^ actually Herman, it's a very good article within which all the facts can be checked easily.

Very much worth a read. Everything in it is known, but well worth a reminder ......

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actually Bettyboo, you are absolutely right. Everything in it is known and has been discussed here on TD.
But then please tell me why this article is worth reading? Because its written by former Ambassador? And not someone from TD ?
This guy made a big chabang trying to explain to us the word "imminent". What the fu.k, makes me feel like I'am back in school.
Then he makes a big chabang about some "Bethlehem Doctrine" while he forgets that almost all countries don't even respect the U.N. charta.
So now what excactly is this crack pot trying to tell us?


P.S. years ago I started a thread about a religious bitch called Erdogan. Yesterday he send troops to Libya. :rolleyes:

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this action by the US was way over the top, and you can bet that the iranians are going to view this as an act of war and respond with a further escalation.

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"with a further escalation" are your words. Stating they had previously escalated. If you had posted, "with an escalation" I would have assumed that you meant as the result of another parties actions. You didn't.

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the highlighted bit is apparently what ohoh has his knickers in a twist about....

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Guessing? Why not ask?

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rudimentary reading comprehension skills would be able to

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More derogatory remarks from you.

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i did not directly post or even imply what oh-oh claims i did.

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I have illustrated and referenced where and what you actually posted.

Any other fake allegations?

you fucking moron...

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both the bush and obama administrations knew it would be a reckless escalation to try and kill soleimani. so knowledgeable people with cooler heads acted diplomatically....and when necessary with force via proxies. if you have evidence that indicates the contrary, post it.

if another country killed the US secretary of defense with a drone fired missile, the US would swiftly declare war...and i'm not just referring to the president acting unilaterally....i'm saying that congress would authorize it in a bipartisan vote....and the US public by and large would support it.

this action by the US was way over the top, and you can bet that the iranians are going to view this as an act of war and respond with a further escalation.

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More derogatory remarks from you.

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In your case derogatory remarks are justified as you are a tedious moron.

Herman, conventional discourse is very important and changes to it (abuses to it) need to be challenged rigorously. So, for example, when war mongering politicians use terms such as "collateral damage" it's important we highlight that the words mean: killing of innocent people - that is completely unacceptable. It's important to highlight that fact and keep highlighting it otherwise weak-minded folk will start to believe it's a normal use of words and collateral damage is ok; that it's ok to kill innocent people if you're a government and call it collateral damage...

Another example is when Blair stated that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction time after time (fear-mongering) even though he knew it was not true and it was proven to be untrue. It's important we highlight that fact, so that Blair doesn't keep power thus causing war after war with lie after lie.

In the example above, the term imminent has a very clear meaning: about to happen; known to be about to happen. But, because all of the British government's lawyers knew and stated that Blair's attack on Iraq was illegal, Blair's government brought in an outsider to make up new terms, ignore the law and lay the foundation to war with a pretence of 'legal status'. This individual, not part of the UK government team but an advisor to the Israeli Prime Minister, ignored all internationally accepted legal terms and changed the meaning of the word imminent to mean: was done before or might be done by somebody, unknown, at any time in the future. BTW, that's you and me and everyone else, at any time for any reason... It's very important.

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Why the obsession with Blair? If Thatcher was in power she would have mostly likely just fucking nuked Iraq. Seems odd that you make such an effort to villainize someone who was basically just a yes man to the US government. Like any other British leader would have been different.

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Fucking hell Ray, the Shi'a are *always* out on the street screaming "Death to America" FFS.

No-one cares, I can remember Jay Leno taking the piss out of one of them because he was wearing a Chicago Bulls shirt, it's that old

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it's 5 am EST and trump has been awake for some time..... cable news is showing the massive crowds on the streets of baghad screaming 'death to america'.

if you don't think this is going to have an impact on trump's increasingly impulsive behavior then you haven't been paying attention.

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do yourself a favor and stick to copy & pasting editorial cartoons, you half-wit.

your response has absolutely nothing to do with what i posted.

my post was about trump's inevitable ego based response. a man who in some sense still exists in the 70s 80s and 90s...for example, when it was significant to be on the cover of time magazine...when he sees the massive crowds on the streets screaming 'death to america' it's going to bring him back jimmy carter and being worried that it makes him look weak....and that's going to impact his increasingly impulsive behavior.

FFS, just a few months ago he was trying to show his strength by stating 'you don't see them shouting death to america anymore'.

which is why i posted what i posted, half-wit harry.

what some here can't seem to grasp is that for trump this issue is the same as any other.....first and foremost it's about him.
trump doesn't give a shit about iran or iraq....as long as they don't make him look weak.
trump doesn't give a shit about anything except himself.
trump is always and only about trump.

do you think he gives a shit about health care for average americans? of course not. but obama embarrassed him, so he tried to kill his signature achievement.....just like the iran nuclear deal....just like cuba. FFS, if obama didn't resume relations with cuba, you can bet trump would have been down there trying to improve relations....not because he gives a shit about cubans...but because he would want to build hotels and apartment buildings with his name on them.

and if anyone really thinks trump gives a shit about abortion, they need to get their heads examined....i'd wager he's paid for literally scores of abortions in his life.

but i digress...

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Why the obsession with Blair?

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Betty basically comes here to cheer for her team, and socialists in suits keep her awake at night.

^ thanks for your input, Cyrille; as valuable as usual...

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Why the obsession with Blair? If Thatcher was in power she would have mostly likely just fucking nuked Iraq. Seems odd that you make such an effort to villainize someone who was basically just a yes man to the US government. Like any other British leader would have been different.

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If you want to talk about Thatcher starting wars then there's plenty to talk about there, but they don't relate to Iraq... Blair, of course, does relate to Iraq; he facilitated the Iraq war with his lies and propaganda - a war which has killed so many and caused massive suffering in the region ever since, and destabilised the world. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... have been a total disaster; nothing has been achieved for peoples' freedoms and liberty in those countries, just war and suffering while Blair and his ilk become massively wealthy (his shady business dealings while PM and afterwards could fill several volumes as well as adding $50,000,000+ to his bank account...).

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Herman, conventional discourse is very important and changes to it (abuses to it) need to be challenged rigorously. So, for example, when war mongering politicians use terms such as "collateral damage" it's important we highlight that the words mean: killing of innocent people - that is completely unacceptable. It's important to highlight that fact and keep highlighting it otherwise weak-minded folk will start to believe it's a normal use of words and collateral damage is ok; that it's ok to kill innocent people if you're a government and call it collateral damage...

Another example is when Blair stated that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction time after time (fear-mongering) even though he knew it was not true and it was proven to be untrue. It's important we highlight that fact, so that Blair doesn't keep power thus causing war after war with lie after lie.

In the example above, the term imminent has a very clear meaning: about to happen; known to be about to happen. But, because all of the British government's lawyers knew and stated that Blair's attack on Iraq was illegal, Blair's government brought in an outsider to make up new terms, ignore the law and lay the foundation to war with a pretence of 'legal status'. This individual, not part of the UK government team but an advisor to the Israeli Prime Minister, ignored all internationally accepted legal terms and changed the meaning of the word imminent to mean: was done before or might be done by somebody, unknown, at any time in the future. BTW, that's you and me and everyone else, at any time for any reason... It's very important.

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"The Mother of all Misjudgements" :)

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Cable news is showing the massive crowds on the streets of baghad screaming 'death to america'.

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"Death to America" ©

since 1979




better Ray ?

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just war and suffering while Blair and his ilk become massively wealthy (his shady business dealings while PM and afterwards could fill several volumes as well as adding $50,000,000+ to his bank account...).

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So I ask again how to you think it would be different if Thatcher was in office?

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If Thatcher was in power she would have mostly likely just fucking nuked Iraq.

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Are'nt you being a bit harsh? After all, she did not nuke the Falklands. :rolleyes:

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what some here can't seem to grasp is that for trump this issue is the same as any other.....first and foremost it's about him.
trump doesn't give a shit about iran or iraq....as long as they don't make him look weak.
trump doesn't give a shit about anything except himself.
trump is always and only about trump.

do you think he gives a shit about health care for average americans? of course not. but obama embarrassed him, so he tried to kill his signature achievement.....just like the iran nuclear deal....just like cuba. FFS, if obama didn't resume relations with cuba, you can bet trump would have been down there trying to improve relations....not because he gives a shit about cubans...but because he would want to build hotels and apartment buildings with his name on them.

and if anyone really thinks trump gives a shit about abortion, they need to get their heads examined....i'd wager he's paid for literally scores of abortions in his life.

but i digress...

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As usual you are missing the point.

Baldy orange cunto is just milking it to distract and fire up his base of trumpanzees.

I have a few gun toting trumpanzee acquaintances on Facetubegram and they are eagerly posting shit like this.

Think any of them are thinking about impeachment?

https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?...id=43364&stc=1

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Baldy orange cunto is just milking it to distract and fire up his base of trumpanzees.
I have a few gun toting trumpanzee acquaintances on Facetubegram and they are eagerly posting shit like this.

Think any of them are thinking about impeachment?

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once again, when we move beyond the realm of cartoons, you just don't get it harry....for trump this is a secondary motivation at best.

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conventional discourse is very important and changes to it (abuses to it) need to be challenged rigorously

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Right on Betty keep it up.

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but i digress...

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Don't we all.



They don't want no education
The darkforce has them, now to squeeze

They just want some, beer and movies
Let's them, doze off, so relieved

Leave those dogs alone

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https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?...id=43364&stc=1

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So I ask again how to you think it would be different if Thatcher was in office?

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It’s expected when it’s a tory. The mass circulation newspapers are mostly tory, and they’d barely consider it news.
Also once the money’s poured in there is barely any change in lifestyle.

As I suggested, betty hates socialists behaving like tories. To her it’s like a dog flying. The order of the world is subverted.

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It’s expected when it’s a tory. The mass circulation newspapers are mostly tory, and they’d barely consider it news.
Also once the money’s poured in there is barely any change in lifestyle.

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So it is no different in the UK. Lemmings vote outside of their own best interests and take it up the jacksie.

Dimwits abound.

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almost all countries don't even respect the U.N. charta.

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?????
Also the ones invaded?

^The "almost all countries" would be the rump "coalition" of post invaders. "Bled" by an empire soon to be renamed due to majority being native Spanish speakers in one or two decades as;

EDA (Estados Degenerado América).

this Iran thing is a nice distraction from the Impeachment process,

again it is the Democrats fault that this whole thing is escalating by putting Trump into some unwarranted corner,

of course, that will get Trump re-elected with the new war that is shaping now,

good work, idiots :)

^Similar procedure as used when Clinton was to be impeached

https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?...id=43366&stc=1

Three days mourning is almost up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6eQ78HCGEA
Let's get ready to RUMBLE

World war 3 was gunna kick off anyway,

My mate The Donald just bought it forward a few decades.

On ya Donald. :)

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^ thanks for your input, Cyrille; as valuable as usual...

If you want to talk about Thatcher starting wars then there's plenty to talk about there, but they don't relate to Iraq... Blair, of course, does relate to Iraq; he facilitated the Iraq war with his lies and propaganda - a war which has killed so many and caused massive suffering in the region ever since, and destabilised the world. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... have been a total disaster; nothing has been achieved for peoples' freedoms and liberty in those countries, just war and suffering while Blair and his ilk become massively wealthy (his shady business dealings while PM and afterwards could fill several volumes as well as adding $50,000,000+ to his bank account...).

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One significant outcome of those wars is ObL's stated goal to bankrupt America, naturally as an alternative to removal of farangs from holy lands and conversion, which is actually a misnomer since one invalidates the other.

While America is trillions indebted as a result of those wars and related actions, though far from bankrupt, the phenomenal loss of life, political and social costs, and the 'refugee crisis' which is still in low gear will have long term effects across the west. These far outweigh any good that came out of those wars, if anyone can highlight something good.

Never mind the posturing, Western leaders are always on the back foot in dealing with that region, in part because they refuse to accept that not everyone cherishes freedom and rights and democracy, while the one thing they have in common is that they never have and imho never will acknowledge that historical and constantly recurring fact.

Talk of deleting Iran is bullshit, fairy tales to nod off www warriors. Sure we can debate whether Iran's 'threats' to the west are real or perceived or manufactured, but so far as Trump is or should be concerned they are real and there is no solution to the multiheaded threats short of regime change, which being free of democratic niceties would result in carnage across the region with a tsunami for the rest of the world.

You can't scare someone that believes they have you by the balls.

After reading this it could be "assumed" that the most powerful military in South Carolina has accepted defeat and intend to evacuate.

https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?...id=43380&stc=1

Issued by this nice family.guy.

https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2020/01/81.jpg

They look a tad Asian/Chinese, yes? Put them in tee shirts, ragged shorts and flip flops and they would fit in well in any Issan village.

Taking over an unexceptional country bit by bit, minute by minute, top to bottom. This has to stop, now, next quarter, next year or never.

Best ask the genocidal Republic's mature, intelligent, decision maker/leader. Anyone know who and where such a person of stature may be contacted?

One wonders which Iraqi will deliver their eviction notice and when.

After reading this it could be "assumed" that the most powerful military in South Carolina has accepted defeat and intend to evacuate.

https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?...id=43380&stc=1

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...aring-move-out

Issued by this nice family.guy.

https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2020/01/81.jpg

They look a tad Asian/Chinese, yes? Put them in tee shirts, ragged shorts and flip flops and they would fit in well in any Issan village.

Taking over an unexceptional country bit by bit, minute by minute, top to bottom. This has to stop, now, next quarter, next year or never.

Best ask the genocidal Republic's mature, intelligent, decision maker/leader. Anyone know who and where such a person of stature may be contacted?

One wonders which Iraqi will deliver their eviction notice and when.

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They look a tad Asian/Chinese, yes? Put them in tee shirts, ragged shorts and flip flops and they would fit in well in any Issan village.

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Why in the hell are you bringing innocent kids and an Asian wife into this discussion? You should be ashamed of yourself.. Unbelievable!!

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once again, when we move beyond the realm of cartoons, you just don't get it harry....for trump this is a secondary motivation at best.

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FFS you're dumber than he is if you believe he can juggle two motivations at once.

:rofl:

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Herman, conventional discourse is very important and changes to it (abuses to it) need to be challenged rigorously.

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I know :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/hindsightfiles

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Fresh Cambridge Analytica leak ‘shows global manipulation is out of control’

Company’s work in 68 countries laid bare with release of more than 100,000 documents

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Just for Ray....

https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?...id=43393&stc=1

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Why in the hell are you bringing innocent kids and an Asian wife into this discussion? You should be ashamed of yourself.. Unbelievable!!

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That's the way communist have always worked !

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Why in the hell are you bringing innocent kids and an Asian wife

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I'm sure some politician can utter phrase similar to, " I'm sure it was worth it". Or suggest that they "were told" the train loads of certain citizens determined by religion - men, women and children, were going to "holiday camps". Just to make it very appropriate.

I will assume, from your post, that you rightly believe that the deaths, of innocent men, women and kids, is beyond the pale?

If only some unexceptional countries politicians and military leaders had a similar moral view.

But unfortunately some are suggesting a human's gender, born or adopted later, is irrelevant.

Joint statement from President Macron, Chancellor Merkel and Prime Minister Johnson on the situation in Iraq

"We have condemned the recent attacks on coalitions forces in Iraq and are gravely concerned by the negative role Iran has played in the region, including through the IRGC and the Al-Qods force under the command of General Soleimani.

There is now an urgent need for de-escalation. We call on all parties to exercise utmost restraint and responsibility. The current cycle of violence in Iraq must be stopped.

We specifically call on Iran to refrain from further violent action or proliferation, and urge Iran to reverse all measures inconsistent with the JCPOA.
We recall our attachment to the sovereignty and security of Iraq. Another crisis risks jeopardizing years of efforts to stabilize Iraq.

We also reaffirm our commitment to continue the fight against Daesh, which remains a high priority. The preservation of the Coalition is key in this regard. We therefore urge the Iraqi authorities to continue providing the Coalition all the necessary support.

We stand ready to continue our engagement with all sides in order to contribute to defuse tensions and restore stability to the region."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-statement-from-president-macron-chancellor-merkel-and-prime-minister-johnson-on-the-situation-in-iraq


No mention of the Iranian carrying a diplomatic message being exterminated.

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once again, when we move beyond the realm of cartoons, you just don't get it harry....for trump this is a secondary motivation at best.

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harry isn't very bright you know,

why would he work in a desert full of arabs if he was :)

'Another twu highly nationalist song played over film of perhaps *millions* of #Iranians in #Tehran for #SoleimaniFuneral. Even if you don’t understand Persian you can recognize emotive nature w/lyrics like: “My life I sacrifice for #Iran

Crowds in #Tehran gather for #SoleimaniFneral. To understand nat’list feeling stirred by #Soleimani, lyrics of song state tv plays:

“My homeland I have to call for you,
I must stay beside you
You are poetry & passion my homeland, when I am your voice,
I must sing of you” #Iran”

https://twitter.com/AssalRad/status/1214099181276545026