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what did he says :)
OhOh read my posts again, i said i cannot stand any religions. I am very well versed with how religion has divided people and set them at each other thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
conservatives vs socialism are also a new kind of religion
which one are you, toot
The non European one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Actually the two camps have spent the last 2-3 decades stealing each other ground such that you could be forgiven for not knowing which is which at times, until Comrade Corbyn opens his mouth.
Just words. No harm doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
His allies are packing up for now though
Us-Iran 1-2
Current events and history made up by Occidentals, per usual.
Charming.
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
Two drone strikes killing at least the top two Hezbollah leaders vs a damaged Embassy wall and a few interrupted sleeps?
You're fucking delusional.
:)
Parlament voting please leave,+ US allies withdrawing majority of their troops, +while the world is watching giving the finger and 11 missiles right in the nose of the "exseppotionel" worldpower.
I see that as a pretty good outcome on some rather questionable odds
If Trump has handled this well or he has been pressured, I don´t know, but the winner for now is IRAN.
Since the parliament is basically Iran, who gives a shit? Most Americans don't want their troops there any more anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
Watch the Iraqis lose control, they already have riots on the street because they can't govern.
Watch the Iranians move in and another civil war erupt, with cuntos like Al Sadr exploiting the situation.
And if you think throwing a few firecrackers near a US base is "winning", you're worse than baldy orange cunto.
Of course the silly fucker spent half his speech banging on about Obama.
There's no doubt what this is all about and who the bald orange wanker is dog whistling to, and it isn't Iran.
Why would Iran move in ? They own most of Iraq the day the west leaves.
A few firecrackers ?
Don`t you see the significance in missiles fired from Iran rather than from Iraq ?
Missiles that did no harm and where the "targets" were warned in advance not to stroll around in the dessert.
I say well played and a martyr in the Turban:)
Trump sounded to me like a whipped puppy, as if he'd been bitch slapped- sorry "counselled", by wiser heads. Was there any consultation at all outside of the oval office before ordering this strike, except perhaps an implied order from his Israeli bosses (the head of Mossad said amerka "wasn't doing enough" to combat Iran a few days before the attack)?
It seems to me that checks and balances on the Presidency are virtually non-existent since President Cheney. Which brings into question The USA's ongoing status as a democratic republic, frankly. A Congressional system which can be overridden, ignored or just plain kept in the dark by the latest crackpot you elect President does not sound much like a democracy at all.
And anyone who sees this debacle as a victory for the US, jeez I wouldn't mind a pint of what you're on. :rolleyes:
Trump just rolled over, like a good little dog :)
Iran wins, again :)
America has not been a democracy for a longtime if it ever was at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Trump is clearly the winner!
Remember what this whining bitch said:
Well, doesn't looks so dark to me. Looks like they only blew up a few fire crackers. And Israel is spitting in their face:Quote:
My father's death spells dark days for US, Israel,' Soleimani's daughter vows
Now that's a statement we can all believe, because we know they kicked those Ayathollas asses no matter where they hide.Quote:
“The state of Israel is the stable anchor in the stormy [Middle East] waters,” Netanyahu said. “We stand firm in the face of those who seek to destroy us. Anyone who tries to attack us will suffer the most overwhelming blow.”
Netanyahu: Iran will ‘suffer overwhelming blow’ if it attacks Israel - The Jerusalem PostQuote:
“President Trump should be congratulated for acting swiftly, boldly and resolutely,” he said. “What I’ve said openly in the past few days, many leaders in the Middle East and HtG :smokin: think.”
Then why don't you go read some credence reports on the Tian’anmen-Massacer !Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
But don't read the chinese papers :smileylaughing:
Herman, you are a fool. But everyone already knows that including, I suspect, yourself.
Anyway, the view from Australia-
‘This will not go unpunished’:
‘Grave error’ Australia will live to regret
Iran’s response to the US killing General Qassem Soleimani in an air strike has been swift. And this growing crisis puts Australia at risk.
Both Mr Pompeo and President Trump have referred to Soleimani as a “dead bad guy”, but this is not the script for an American Western.
Soleimani is likely to be an even more lethal force in death than he was in life.
Killing him on Iraqi soil places the entire coalition mission in Iraq, including the training of Iraqi security forces, in jeopardy.
Since the 2003 “shock and awe” campaign, tens of thousands of Iraqis, thousands of Americans and dozens of others as well as perhaps hundreds of thousands of Syrians have died and trillions of dollars of Western treasury (including more than $10 billion by Australian taxpayers) have been invested.
If the current tensions descend into all-out war between the US and Iran, then all that effort and sacrifice across 16 years will have been in vain.
In the event of a major conflict the challenge for the Morrison Government, already seemingly overwhelmed by the bushfire disaster, would be to resist pressure from Washington to join a “coalition of the willing” in yet another Middle Eastern misadventure.
US, Iran: Assassination of Soleimani more dangerous than bushfires
I realise Alliances, International agreements & Law etc mean absolutely nothing to the US, certainly not under this administration. But your reluctant allies are increasingly chafing at this farcical charade. Why should we be there with even a token amount of troops, offering moral support for this debacle? We have been counting our dead for too many years already, for absolutely no apparent gain- just pain. You have just put us in more danger, and for what?
How have 10s of billions of aussie dollars been 'invested' and in what ?
"Credence report"? Does it exist? Perhaps with the same credence like at the WMH (many) reports?Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
Trump has gone up in my estimation of that's de-escalated the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonfly
Iran fires rockets at US bases to appease its population but ensure they fall harmlessly. US take it on the chin and stay calm.
The tragedy is the Ukrainian 737 and 170 innocent victims.
The Iranian missile strike on American locations in Iraq on Tuesday was a calibrated event intended to cause minimal casualties, give the Iranians a face-saving measure and provide an opportunity for both sides to step back from the brink of war, according to senior U.S. officials in Washington and the Middle East.
White House officials were bracing as early as Tuesday morning for Iran to respond to the U.S. killing last week of Qasem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s elite Quds Force. U.S. officials said they knew by Tuesday afternoon that Iran intended to strike at American targets in Iraq, although it was not immediately clear exactly which they would choose.
The early warning came from intelligence sources as well as from communications from Iraq that conveyed Iran’s intentions to launch the strike, officials said.
“We knew, and the Iraqis told us, that this was coming many hours in advance,” said a senior administration official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence and diplomatic communications.
“We had intelligence reports several hours in advance that the Iranians were seeking to strike the bases,” the official said.
At the Pentagon, the most senior levels of U.S. military leadership gathered in a room and waited for the Iranian missiles to head toward their targets.
“It was literally like right before” the Iranians launched their missiles, one senior defense official said. Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper had convened the meeting with Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, along with senior civilian leaders of the Defense Department. Esper was pulled out of the meeting when military officials received notification that strikes were underway.
“There was a lot of concern,” the senior defense official said. “It was anxious, wanting to get updates.” Early reports did not mention any U.S. casualties, “so there was some optimism after the initial rounds.”
The advance warning gave military commanders time to get U.S. troops into safe, fortified positions at the bases. According to military officials, troops at bases in Iraq were ordered into bunkers, donned protective gear and were told to “shelter in place.”
The troops remained in their protected positions for hours, including after the strike. One official said at least some left al-Asad air base in western Iraq before the attack. That base was hit, along with a facility in Irbil, in northern Iraq.
“It’s not luck that no one got killed,” a second senior defense official said. “Luck always plays a role. But military commanders on the ground made good judgment and had good response.”
In an address from the White House on Wednesday morning, President Trump credited an “early warning system” for helping prevent loss of life. A defense official later said the president was referring to the radar network the military has searching for potential enemy missiles.
At least two sources of intelligence gave the U.S. time to prepare.
First, there were indications before the launch that Iran was preparing to strike at targets in Iraq, officials said. It was not clear whether that information came from a person or some technical means, such as intercepted communications. A defense official said the U.S. military had “clear indications” of a strike prior to launch from information “internal to [the] U.S. government.” Military officials had assessed that Iran would attempt some kind of retaliation at the end of the official mourning period for Soleimani.
The Pentagon “fully expected a retaliation from Iran,” the senior defense official said. “What that was was the issue,” the official said. “But we fully expected some sort of reaction.”
A second source of warning came from what one official described as technical means. The U.S. military has satellites that can detect a missile shortly after it is launched. U.S. officials alerted allies to the launches shortly after they occurred, according to one Western official.
Iran launched 16 ballistic missiles, including 11 that landed at al-Asad air base and one in Irbil, Esper told reporters at the Pentagon. The missile in Irbil landed in an empty area between the facility and the U.S. Consulate, according to residents who live nearby. It was not clear what happened to the other four missiles.
As a precaution after the strike that killed Soleimani, U.S. military officials deployed a brigade of about 4,500 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C., to the Middle East and also shuffled some forces within the region.
Commanders on the ground, overseen by Marine Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie, head of the U.S. Central Command, also moved some service members off small bases in the region and scattered equipment and people on installations to make them harder to hit.
“Let’s get people out of less defensible areas and put them in more easily defended or better-defended areas,” the senior defense official said, describing the thinking after the Soleimani strike. “But at the same time, let’s not overly mass our personnel as a single target.”
U.S. officials began alerting reporters to the possibility of Iranian strikes beginning at 4 p.m. Tuesday, an hour before they occurred. Vice President Pence was scheduled to conduct a television interview that evening but canceled earlier in the day.
In Iran, the regime had positioned itself for a public messaging campaign. Late Tuesday afternoon, Iran transmitted a letter to the U.N. Security Council with a legal basis for military retaliation, but it was not made public, said a diplomat familiar with the document.
Military officials were not sure, once the missiles were launched, which locations Iran had targeted.
It was hard to tell at the Pentagon which bases were under attack “until actual impact on two specific bases,” a senior U.S. military official said. “The attack spread out for more than an hour. . . . It was more than an hour from the first attack to the last attack.”
“This was not a ‘boom’ and all of this hit at once,” the senior defense official said. “This was launch, launch, launch.”
Once the bases were taking incoming fire, there was constant communication among the White House, Central Command and two other combatant commands: Northern Command and Strategic Command, the second senior defense official said. They were called in because of their expertise in monitoring and tracking ballistic missile threats.
After the missiles hit, U.S. military officials began to assess the damage.
Pentagon officials called several partner nations and allies right after the Iranian attack, part of a concerted effort to communicate with them in the wake of the Soleimani strike. While some of them questioned what the U.S. strategy is with Iran after Soleimani was killed, they were supportive and grateful for information Tuesday night, the senior defense official said.
By 7:30 p.m. Washington time Tuesday, officials at the White House had briefed Trump and were “able to pretty clearly say we don’t think any Americans are going to be killed,” the senior administration official said. “We knew that no Americans were hurt, either.”
But U.S. officials were not certain there were no fatalities until Wednesday, after service members assessed the wreckage and roll calls were taken. Esper said the missiles hit tents and a helicopter but did not cause major damage.
The lack of casualties gave administration officials more confidence that the Iranians had intended to make a public show of force largely to save face at home, the senior administration official said. The official added that a consensus is building that Iran could have done more damage.
But not all military officials were certain of Iran’s intentions. Milley, the Joint Chiefs chairman, told reporters that he assessed Iran had intended to cause material destruction and kill Americans but that an intelligence estimate had not been completed.
“I believe based on what I saw and what I know is that they were intended to cause structural damage, destroy vehicles and equipment and aircraft and to kill personnel,” Milley said. “That’s my own personal assessment.”
Asked what he made of Iran’s intentions, the second senior military official said, “You’d have to ask Iran.”
Esper and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo arrived at the White House around 7 p.m. Tuesday. About an hour later, Trump began calling lawmakers, including allies such as Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.). Trump told them that no Americans had been killed in the missile attacks and that a path to negotiations with Iran had now opened, the senior administration official said.
“The president doesn’t want a war, but he doesn’t want to tolerate provocation against American interests,” Graham said in an interview with The Washington Post.
Graham said he hoped that Iran’s attack was “a show of force for domestic purposes.”
“They want a show of force,” he said, “but they want this to end, because they are scared of the president. I hope that is true.”
Matt Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, told aides in a Roosevelt Room meeting Tuesday afternoon that it would take at least two months to understand whether the U.S. strategy was working.
“Our initial reaction has been, this was a domestic effort from the Iranians to save face, not to go to war, so we have proceeded in that vein,” said another senior administration official with knowledge of the analysis.
Esper and Milley returned to the Pentagon about 9 p.m.
Trump had told senior military officials Tuesday evening that he wanted a path to ease tensions, which had been escalating since the strike on Soleimani, the senior administration official said. A way out appeared when Trump’s military advisers told him there was reason to believe the missile strikes were not designed to kill Americans, the official said.
Even with the advance notice, U.S. military officials were still scrambling after the attack to assess the damage and determine Iran’s intentions. U.S. forces in the region remained on high alert after the strikes, but no significant troop movements have been made in Syria or elsewhere, according to military officials.
The second senior defense official acknowledged that officials on Tuesday night intended to limit information released to the public until the extent of the damage and how Trump might respond became clearer.
“We all understood that if the Iranians were to respond next, we owned the shot clock after,” the official said. “So, you need to be very thoughtful, very deliberate.”
The Pentagon and State Department sent staffers to the White House early Wednesday to write Trump’s speech. He made some last-minute additions, including the decision to start his remarks by declaring, “As long as I am president of the United States, Iran will never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon.”
“Iran appears to be standing down, which is a good thing for all parties concerned and a very good thing for the world,” Trump said.
A third senior administration official said there was a sigh of relief when Trump agreed to read from prepared remarks and not take questions. Some aides were concerned that Trump might deviate from the precise remarks and misspeak if he made extemporaneous remarks to reporters, the official said.
Some officials acknowledged that Iran was likely to continue attacks via proxies and other means. But there was a growing sense among administration officials that killing Soleimani had sobered Iran up to Trump’s willingness to act. “We actually believe this will be de-escalation,” the senior administration official said. “We’re obviously going to be on alert for proxies with one-off attacks. But we think this worked.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...776_story.html
You may want to review the numbers of the Iraqi parliament and count the numbers of Shia v Sunni members.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
There is a uncut extended video available, it visually shows the "man and tank" confrontation. From when the tanks start leaving one area until the "tank man" is ushered away by helpful Chineses civilians. The MSM video shows but a morsel of the full 3 course meal.Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
No confirmation either from Iran, Iraq or ameristani proxy forces - ISIS to confirm your suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troy
Iran, Iraq or ameristani proxy forces - ISIS?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Not from Iran government warnings via the Swiss Embassy in Iran? Hopefully the communications from Iraq were signed documents appropriate adorned with red official stamps to signify the authority of it's president, rather than an "unsigned draft", ameristanis believe are sufficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Which Iranians?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
I'm sure they do have such capabilities, presumably the ameristani military will publish the launches, flights and targets hit to back up this assertion.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
I am surprised that the alleged "greatest military the world has ever known" doesn't have the same AD capacity that a third world, devastated country such as the Syria President commands and uses them to protect not only his military bases but ordinary citizens succefully, or the Alpha layered AD supplier THE LORD utilises in Syria to defend his military bases, with nary a hit, on facilities, equipment or personnel.
One assumes the ameristani troop call up, the troops being loaded into planes the horrifying stories of soldiers having to cut short their holiday, disappointing their partners and children (we all know what the ramifications of a cut holiday due to work pressure leads to), were not "provocations'.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
By illegally splattering foreigners on the airport roads?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Iran, Iraq or ameristani proxy forces - ISIS?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Iran, Iraq or ameristani proxy forces - ISIS?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
One assumes that the 52 targets, including "cultural sites" have now been attacked or taken off the agenda, a humiliation to goldilocks previous official government policy medium statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
All in all a puff piece for domestic consumption, withdrawing or cancelling goldilocks previous presidential orders.
Whilst the Iranian official stance has remained unchanged.
Looking at the post attack photos it appears small missiles from whoever, did hit some bases where allegedly the regime forces were ordered to "shelter in place" one can only guess what that order means. Drop to the ground and hold your balls/pussy, run to a local foxhole and do the same, run to a fortified bunker and do the same or even drive into the local town's bar and get pissed and try and find a local whore to pump/milk them.
No mention of manning and operating any defensive weapons or positions. Is that goldilocks military objective, fill his bases with pretty soldier girls and beefy boys and leave them defenceless, to be slaughtered by whatever weapons the Iran, Iraq or ameristani proxy forces - ISIS proxi forces, care to use?
So the seppos let the Iranians let off a few fireworks, applied a few sanctions and left it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by helge
The seppos have killed a few key figures in Quds and militia leadership.
Iran has damaged a wall and made some loud noises.
Yeah, obviously Iran are the big winners here.
:rolleyes:
He sounded to me like the brain bleed is getting worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Since it was never a war, I wouldn't call it a victory.Quote:
And anyone who sees this debacle as a victory for the US, jeez I wouldn't mind a pint of what you're on. :rolleyes:
Net result: 1 US contractor killed after a series of amateurish rocket attacks. In response, several top Iranian military leaders killed. In two strikes.
Message delivered.
What amazes me is just how everyone who doesn't understand the region expected this to turn into WWIII.
On the ground in the Gulf, no-one gives a shit.
The Shi'a will wander around burning a few US flags, but they've been doing that since 1979 and it will have no effect whatsoever except on Fox News viewers.
"Since 1945, the United States has very rarely achieved meaningful victory. The United States has fought five major wars — Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Iraq, Afghanistan — and only the Gulf War in 1991 can really be classified as a clear success."
Why? The answer is simple.
"The United States, up until 1945, won virtually all the major wars that it fought. The reason is those wars were overwhelmingly wars between countries. The US has always been very good at that.
But that kind of war has become the exception. If you look around the world today, about 90 percent of wars are civil wars. These are complex insurgencies, sometimes involving different rebel groups, where the government faces a crisis of legitimacy."
Good article this. Well worth a read.
Why the US has trouble winning wars - Vox
Most US military actions in my lifetime have been started and prolonged for profit IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
Somewhat similar tactics to the Israelis when they get attacked by Palestinian rockets. May be after all these years the US has learned? Selective targeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
They won the COLD WAR ! Ask OhOh and Putin, they are still crying about it.
And you being a self loathing jew disqualifies you from making any sensible post about the M.E.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
(sorry for being a bit harsh...but its true...think about it...if possible.... in your condition)
Well, let me wrap up this "comment" with another "comment" (from news.com au.) that I could have not said it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Scott:
Wow, what a one eyed, ill informed opinion piece, were you actually in the Middle East doing coverage in 2003 or was that from the studio??.
Adam:
Poor opinion piece! You appear to have insufficient knowlage of the problem set, to communicate to the general public.....
US, Iran: Assassination of Soleimani more dangerous than bushfires
Bit of advice:
When posting comments from another Web sites do it like OhOh. Post comments from communist Web sites/Newspapers where there are NO COMMENTS allowed :rofl:
Yes, well noted. The Israels are very much in the business of delivering large tits for small tats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pragmatic
An update from a site I find generally well sourced.
"Update - 17:00 UTC
Additional information has come in which corrects or adds to some of the above made claims.
The 17 missiles launched against Ain al Assad airbase were of the Qiam-2 type which is an updated version of the original Qiam with a guided warhead and much better accuracy. The missiles launched towards Erbil airport were solid fueled Fateh 313 missiles which have a 500 kilometer range and additional anti-interception devices."
MoA - Iran's Missile Launch Against Two U.S. Bases in Iraq Calls Trump's Bluff - UpdatedAs the missile types are, I believe only available the to Iranian military, I concur with the posters here that Iran Military fired the retaliatory strike, after the illegal splattering of one Iranian soldier and one Iraqi soldier. As the Iranian government prior to their retaliatory strike stated that they considered the Coalition forces as being "terrorists" it's strikes were legal.
https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?...id=43487&stc=1
brilliant, it's really not different to what Hitler did in 1933 to save Germany from economic collapseQuote:
Originally Posted by Klondyke
Donty Frump terminates Solomaniac so da Iatolyaso shoots down a Canuck air plane.
The plot thickens!
That is certainly one opinion, based on no facts.
What about the video? Video appears to show moment Ukraine plane hit over Iran | Ukraine News | Al JazeeraQuote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Tis indeed. Wot we do here in the corner where speakers congregate.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
"Forum: Speakers CornerAir your opinion on current world affairs. A forum for civil discussion and exchange of ideas. No flaming or abuse allowed. All posts should include your opinion on the subject, not your opinion of the member posting."
did you have a stroke or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton