Can't you limit your ignorant drivel about EU matters to the Brexit thread, NumPrik?
There's a good boy.
Shamima Begum, UK schoolgirl who joined Islamic State in Syria, asks to bring baby home
Shamima Begum said she did not know what she was getting into when she left for Syria.
A British teenager who ran away to join Islamic State and now wants to return to the United Kingdom has given birth to a baby boy in a Syrian refugee camp.
Shamima Begum, 19, and the baby are in good health, according to her family's lawyer.
Speaking to Britain's Sky News from Syria, where she has been living in a refugee camp, Ms Begum said she did not know what she was getting into when she left and wants to bring her baby back to Britain with her.
"I think a lot of people should have sympathy towards me for everything I've been through," she said in an interview broadcast on Sunday (local time).
Possible prosecution if Ms Begum makes it to UK
Home Secretary Sajid Javid, who oversees immigration, wrote in the Sunday Times he would "not hesitate" to prevent the return of Britons who travelled abroad to join IS.
"If you do manage to return, you should be ready to be questioned, investigated and potentially prosecuted," Mr Javid said.
Ms Begum's relatives in Britain said they were "shocked" by her comments but thought she should be brought back and dealt with by the British justice system.
"The welfare of Shamima's ... baby is of paramount concern to our family, and we will do everything within our power to protect that baby, who is entirely blameless in these events," the family had said.
The family said it was concerned about Ms Begum's mental health and characterised her as having been groomed by Islamic State fighters.
This is right. A 15 yo girl's decision should not be a life sentence. I still think she should be "collateral damage" in the fight against ISIS propaganda and be made an example of, but the baby is innocent.
I think she should be allowed back, the baby put into social services care, and the silly, unfortunate girl imprisoned.
As I said before, if it was a white Christian girl that had been groomed, she would definitely be seen as a victim.
I think it is important to consider the age she went and the amount of kids she allegedly have. It sounds like the was sold on as a sex slave.I wouldn't be at all surprised if ISIS killed the kids she gave birth to. She should be detained under the mental health act on arrival.
^^ Mate, I don't have an issue with anyone on the Forum ... Strolls and I get on fine.
I redded it because a lot of people skim an article and sometimes miss (what I consider) to be a salient point.
Shamima Begum is 19 now, so she's not a 'girl'.
Her statement of "I think a lot of people should have sympathy towards me for everything I've been through," shows a high level of entitlement.
Picking the statement apart ...
- "I think a lot of people" ... meaning the British people she turned her back on by leaving GB, flying to Syria to support ISIS ... the organisation that many people in GB intensely dislike/hate/have little or no connection with and is acknowledged as being hated by (most) Muslims.
- "should have sympathy" ... should? A demand. "Would have sympathy" ... would is closer to a supposition, but still not humble enough. "I hope" shows a level on contrition appropriate to her situation.
- "for everything I've been through" Couple of things. She alleges that she has lost 2 babies. I not that she didn't, but the facts, as she describes them are yet to be corroborated. further ... She insisted that witnessing shocking sights did not affect her: "Mostly it was a normal life in Raqqa, every now and then bombing and stuff." "When I saw my first severed head in a bin it didn't phase me at all."
How about this for a statement ...
I'm truly sorry for what happened. When I left England I was young and an Idealist and went to fight for something I believed in.
But now I realize I was wrong. ISIS is wrong ... but I fell for the promise.
When I lost my first child, my beautifull daughter when she was one and later my son when he was only 3 months old, the reality set in what a mess I'd gotten myself in.
Now I'm about to give birth to my 3rd child and I want my baby to grow up in a society which cares about him/her.
Sure, England is not perfect, but it's my England and I was wrong to turn my back on it when I was an impressionable 15 year old.
Who didn't make mistakes in their teens?
What I'm asking now is to be given a chance to raise my child in a society that cares about it.
OK, thanks. I understand what you mean now, Dave.
It seems that she has given birth to the child, and it probably won't be considered a British child or have the rights of a British child.
She however, is a British citizen, cannot be left stateless under international law, and if she makes it to a UK border then is entitled to enter; at which point she will likely be arrested and investigated, child taken into care, etc.
Cycling should be banned!!!
Many groomed white Christian girls were for years considered troublesome by other white and not so white Christians and non-Christians.
What if she was a few months older and sixteen when she left, old enough to drive and have sex and soon to vote, would that make a huge difference? And let's face it she was gone for several years, way beyond 16 and legally responsible for her own actions. Went wrong for her, shit happens, but she is not the victim, shouldn't be portrayed as one, and while there's no avoiding the child as a victim it's not the gov's responsibility to ensure that parents act in the best interests of their offspring, which is subjective to the absurd notion that she may have done just that.
You’re automatically a British citizen if you were born outside the UK and all of the following apply:
* you were born on or after 1 July 2006
* your mother or father was a British citizen when you were born
* your British parent could pass on their citizenship to you
Your British parent could pass on their citizenship to you if they were one of the following:
* born or adopted in the UK
* given citizenship after applying for it in their own right (not based on having a British parent)
* working as a Crown servant when you were born (for example in the diplomatic service, overseas civil service or armed forces)
https://www.gov.uk/apply-citizenship...er-1-july-2006
Regarding the child's citizenship... I agree it's unclear, but the child would not be stateless because it was born in a state (Syria? Turkey?), and the mother effectively gave up her citizenship by joining ISIS (a self-claimed state), but will be returned to the UK because she cannot be made stateless. So we will see, but the discussions I read/watched all suggested the child will not be a British citizen because the mother gave up her citizenship (she'll only be allowed back into the UK because under international law she cannot be made stateless) and the child is not stateless.
In what way did she legally give up her British citizenship, Betty?
Hmm...
The father of the child is not Syrian so Syrian citizenship is out as Syrian citizenship can only be acquired through a Syrian paternal parent. The child cannot be Turkish either as Turkey citizenship is based on jus sanguinis and neither parent is Turkish.
Sorry, boo. Looks like the UK is on the hook for care of the child.
pues, estamos aqui
^ & ^^ I am not sure. Just passing on parts of an explanation that I heard.
Even though she married a Dutch guy initially, I'm not sure whether he was the father of one or all of her children; she appears to have been 'passed around' somewhat hence the father may be Syrian, Turkish, other. Also, the bits and pieces of info from the article and/or other sources have not been collaborated thus far.
I suspect that more details will come out in time, and until that point we won't know about the child's status. We do know that she is British and cannot be made stateless thus if she finds her way back to the UK then she will be let in.
There's lots more of these cases, male and female, some of the individuals involved have dual-citizenship and thus Britain doesn't have the sole legal obligation; we will see what happens.
Mark Ramprakash seems to me to be the more level-headed in this Twitter stoush.
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