Thread: 2020 US Presidential Race

Originally Posted by Mozzbie47

But Trump will win...

Given the recent drop to the Stock Market, not as certain as before.

The virus will affect unemployment.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

not as certain as before.

it was never 'certain'.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

More here

yeah...thanks but no thanks.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Bernie should humble himself and go all in supporting Biden. Concede on stage on live TV and explain to his voters he needs them to get off their arses, stop flapping their traps and get the vote out to beat the orange twat!

why should Bernie concede? he is not compatible with Biden, and it's a losing battle anyhow

when your agenda is to simply beat the other guy, then you have no real plan to succeed, and people see it, it makes you a fake. Kerry tried in 2004, and the Dems still haven't learn from their mistakes.

Biden or Bernie would have more chance in 2024, at least they could discuss real things instead of focusing on Trump character

Originally Posted by Mozzbie47

But Trump will win.........I shouldn't say that, it will give me more reds.

of course he will win,

Alright, who set Buttplug off?

Bernie Sanders is staying in the race for president, but made it obvious on Wednesday that he sees Joe Biden's clear path to the nomination.

"While our campaign has won the ideological debate, we are losing the debate over electability," Sanders said. The recent underdog added that he disagrees that Biden is the stronger candidate to take on President Trump, "but that is what millions of Democrats and independents today believe."

To date, the former vice president has won 15 states, while the Vermont senator has won or led the popular vote in eight. Biden currently has a delegate lead of around 150, with a favorable map of states ahead.

Sanders has acknowledged that the movement he promised to deliver him the nomination is not showing up in big enough numbers. But he's warning Democrats not to write off the strongest parts of his coalition — young voters and Latinos, particularly emphasizing the former on Wednesday: "We are winning the generational debate."

"Today, I say to the Democratic establishment, in order to win in the future, you need to win the voters who represent the future of our country," Sanders said. "And you must speak to the issues of concern to them."

Sanders promised to show up at the debate on Sunday in Arizona to face Biden one-on-one, and basically offered him a cheat sheet: "Let me be very frank as to the questions that I will be asking Joe."

Sanders listed off issues central to his campaign, which he says are very important to younger progressives: health care costs, climate change, income inequality, student debt, racial disparities in criminal justice, immigration and housing affordability.

So why tip Biden off to how you're going to challenge him on Sunday? Maybe Bernie Sanders wants Joe Biden to succeed.

Sanders continues to say that he likes Biden and that defeating Trump is the most important thing this year. Sanders has pledged unequivocally to support his opponent if he himself loses the nomination, something he has done more vigorously and more often than he did in 2016. Despite disparaging the party, and though some of his supporters often get into vitriolic arguments, particularly online, Sanders is clear that he does not want to hand the election to Republicans.

Given the strong numbers Biden put up with African American voters and white, non-college men in Michigan — much stronger than Hillary Clinton four years ago — he would perhaps not need Sanders' movement to overcome the small margins Trump won by in the Midwest.

But Biden opened the door in his own speech on Tuesday night.

"I want to thank Bernie Sanders and his supporters for their tireless energy and their passion. We share a common goal," Biden said. "And together, we'll defeat Donald Trump." He then reiterated, "We'll defeat him together."

And on Wednesday, it seemed as though Sanders was at least in part responding to that call, essentially laying down for Biden a challenge and a road map to secure his support and extend a winning coalition to the left.

Some of what Sanders dared Biden on wasn't too challenging. He asked Biden, "Are you really going to veto a 'Medicare for All' bill, if it is passed in Congress?"

The qualifier is an easy out for Biden. If Sanders' single-payer, Medicare for All system passed Congress, that would mean the political winds had shifted dramatically — that at least some Republicans and moderate Democrats who opposed that plan came on board, because their constituents were also on board. That's an unlikely reality in 2021 if Biden were the new president.

But on the other issues, Sanders is asking Biden to show at the debate on Sunday that he simply gets the message. And it was telling that Sanders was offering this detailed warning to the Democratic establishment for the future, beyond 2020.

The Vermont senator — who remains a registered independent, and who is often accused of wanting to burn the Democratic Party down — was instead offering advice. Sanders seemed to indicate that as he sees the presidential nomination slipping away, he wants the party to thrive by addressing the issues he cares about the most.

Sanders is not conceding. He'll be at the next debate and in the next contests. His allies say a good debate and a Biden gaffe could turn the tide, and Biden doesn't yet have even half the delegates he needs to secure the Democratic nomination.

But given the big losses this week, the question for Sanders had been: What is he going to do? Now he may have put the ball back in Biden's court: If he's running away with the nomination, what is the front-runner going to do if he wants to bring Sanders along and unify the party more quickly?

Bernie Sanders Offers Joe Biden A Path To Party Unity : NPR

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Alright, who set Buttplug off?

FOH

So, should we go for a relatively quick conversion of the US system to a complete oligarchy (Trump) or slow down the eventual coming catastrophe a little bit (Biden)?

This is the choice in November.

That’s gotta hurt bsnubbie! King County?!?!?! Ha ha ha ha ha! Feel the burn!

Biden takes lead from Sanders in Washington with King County vote totals - seattlepi.com

IMO biden won that debate....partly because of the points he made, but primarily because sanders couldn't lay a glove on him.

White House hopeful Joe Biden has committed to picking a woman as his vice presidential candidate should he win the Democratic nomination, a race he currently leads against Bernie Sanders. "If I'm elected president, my cabinet, my administration, will look like the country, and I commit that I will in fact appoint a woman to be vice president," Mr Biden, himself a former vice president, said during a debate against his leftist rival Mr Sanders.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0316/1123462-biden-female-candidate/

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

That’s gotta hurt bsnubbie! King County?!?!?! Ha ha ha ha ha! Feel the burn!

Biden takes lead from Sanders in Washington with King County vote totals - seattlepi.com

Bernie's fighting back! How many hits like this can Biden take?

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders won the Northern Mariana Islands Democratic caucuses Saturday.

Sanders won with 84 votes, while former Vice President Joe Biden received 48 votes and two went uncommitted. Sanders' win in the contest translates to four national delegates, while Biden captured two.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/14/politics/democratic-caucuses-northern-mariana-islands-sanders-biden/index.html

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@azadessa
People don’t go to a doctor because they can’t afford it. Bernie says that the #coronapocolypse exacerbates a broken system. Biden doesn’t agree (and doesn’t seem to get it) #DemDebate
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Biden: “this is a crisis. It’s like we are being attacked from abroad.”

Really? Is that the only way to describe the pandemic? Seems the issue is not the virus, it’s preparedness & ability to respond and manage. #DemDebate

https://twitter.com/azadessa/status/1239345153111982082

whilst:

Chinese President Xi Jinping has called the response to the coronavirus outbreak a "test" for China's system and capacity for governance. The country has mobilized all its resources and "turned the tide" against the virus.

https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1239194471524208640

IMO, biden needs to announce his VP right after tomorrow night's results...which should more or less wrap it up for him.

my reasoning is this:

if he were to get the coronavirus (and as result possibly die) in the next few months, the sanders campaign would be back with a vengeance and demanding the nomination. however, if a VP is named, most democrats would stick with the biden ticket out of respect.

and btw, biden could also announce who his HHS secretary would be....and present to americans how his administration would handle the various stages of this pandemic.

^ very good points. (unless it's Hillary, but it won't be)

Biden won the debate. Hang it up Bernie.

Originally Posted by Norton

Hang it up Bernie.

if biden cleans up the delegates tomorrow, i think he'll have no choice because it'll be even more obvious that he doesn't have a viable path to the nomination.

but obviously what's important is how he drops out....and i would guess that many in the DNC are concerned about exactly this.

if sanders doesn't bow out gracefully, biden should just ignore him (but try to embrace his supporters) and pivot to the general by focusing on trump's failures on the pandemic.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders won the Northern Mariana Islands Democratic caucuses Saturday.

Sanders won with 84 votes, while former Vice President Joe Biden received 48 votes and two went uncommitted.

Another Sandslide

An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll released Tuesday shows that only 37 percent of those polled have either “a good amount” or “a great deal” of trust in the the information they hear from the president about the coronavirus, while 60 percent say they do “not very much” or “not at all” trust Trump’s words on the subject.

not very surprising, but still noteworthy.

U.S. Secret Service - The Secret Service has initiated full protective coverage for Democratic Presidential Candidate and Former Vice President: https://twitter.com/SecretService/st...13145814577153

Bernie will take another major ass kicking in Fla. If he doesn't call it quits after this, any respect I have for the man will be gone and likely many of his supporters will feel the same.

^

we'll have to wait and see.... this is obviously an important 48 hours coming.




but...this was a perfect storm for biden.

people are looking for a return to normalcy more than they were just a few weeks ago.

for all its potential benefits (and there are many) bernie's revolution doesn't offer that.