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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    ^^Did you mention a setback an individual country within the EU suffered and imply, with no supporting evidence, that not being in the EU would have mitigated the problem?

    Well, of course you did.
    no i didn't, christ you are dense. the point is that all in the EU is not rosy, a fact seeking botty ignores. its a well known fact that if yermany sneezes the EU will get cholera

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    The economic travails of individual countries within the EU do not in themselves mean that leaving the EU was an anything but idiot move.

    NOBODY has ever implied that the EU was some fairytale land immune from Asian competition, you verbose blundering moron.

    Quit with that blatant strawman.

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    I'm a little bemused since inflation is lower and wages higher in Germany compared to UK.

    Germany is having its problems, but nothing like the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    no i didn't, christ you are dense. the point is that all in the EU is not rosy, a fact seeking botty ignores. its a well known fact that if yermany sneezes the EU will get cholera
    Nonsense, the EU is an association not a hegemonic agglomeration, you simpleton factory hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Nonsense, the EU is an association not a hegemonic agglomeration, you simpleton factory hand.
    the EU has very few net contributors, yermany by far the largest, double the cheese eating surrender monkies and not far off the sum of all the other net contributors combined - as soon as budgets get mentioned all eyes turn to yermany you fukin idiot. The reality is your concept of EU stability holds as much credibility as a Liz Truss Govt , civil servants sheesh. You are as clued as some of the current generation i have to sift through for jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    Internationally it has no role
    what are the EU doing re Ukr atm now the US is treading water?, that's right they are arguing over ammunition manufacturing and its supply, with of course the surrender monkies arguing all EU supplied ammo and munitions should be made by the EU - great leadetship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I'm a little bemused since inflation is lower and wages higher in Germany compared to UK.

    Germany is having its problems, but nothing like the UK.
    That's good for you

    My guess would be that, if you made an effort for it, could find some places in the EU that are more screwed than the UK.

    Would be pointless, but just as worthy as your ...example

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    what are the EU doing re Ukr atm now the US is treading water?, that's right they are arguing over ammunition manufacturing and its supply, with of course the surrender monkies arguing all EU supplied ammo and munitions should be made by the EU - great leadetship
    What would you expect ?

    EU is a Paper Tiger, who nobody, except for the "SuperPower Romancers" in Benelux, France and Germany, would give a shit about, if it wasn't for the Pork.

    Feet of Clay

    Troy, Cyrille, SA and all the others care about money.

    (and can't forget that they were on the ..losing side )

    I like self determination


    Get on with it

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    Now the idiot Brexiters can't even get their much needed meds. helge's substantial supply obviously remains unaffected.

    Drug shortages, now normal in UK, made worse by Brexit, report warns | Drugs | The Guardian

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    Germany has a current trade balance of around €27 billions whereas the UK has a trade deficit of around €3 billions.

    Germany is of course in the process of realigning its extensive energy supplies but the situation continues to improve and its debt to GDP ratio remains at around 64% whereas in the UK the debt to GDP ratio is 100%.

    The UK out of the EU faces a continuing decline with a recurring annual trade loss of £100 billions.

    Which is why £ Sterling remains languishing at $1.25, a full 20% devaluation that has persisted continuously since 2016.

    BrokendowndirtyBrexitBritain. So apt.

    Helge is clearly unbalanced. Is he an alcoholic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Now the idiot Brexiters can't even get their much needed meds.
    All bullshit and scaremongering.


    It is not just a UK phenomenon. A recent European Association of Hospital Pharmacists survey reported that 95% of hospital pharmacists across Europe were experiencing shortages. An EU medicines shortage working party met last month to discuss a critical shortage of five key medicines, with impediments to supply said to include the impact of the war in Ukraine on supply chains, a European Medicines Agency recommendation to suspend use of about 400 medicines tested by an Indian laboratory, as well as attacks on shipping in the Red Sea and the extra regulatory paperwork that arises in some chains of supply due to Brexit.
    From the Guardian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    All bullshit and scaremongering.
    You might have misunderstood something:

    Cyrille isn't interested in "the Whole Truth".


    I read his article and there was several other reasons for shortage listed

    He'll cling to the "made worse" aliby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    An EU medicines shortage working party met last month to discuss a critical shortage of five key medicines,
    5

    From the same Guardian article.

    "As of 18 December, the list of medicinal shortages in the UK included 96 products, according to the British Generic Manufacturers Association. Thats is down on the 111 such shortages at the end of October but there have been a further 10 supply notifications from DHSC since then. The total is close to double the 52 medicines for which there was an issue in January 2022."

    ~100


    From another Guardian article

    The EU is to stockpile key medicines that will worsen the record drug shortages in the UK, with experts warning that the country could be left “behind in the queue”.
    The EU is seeking to safeguard its supplies by switching to a system in which its 27 members work together to secure reliable supplies of 200 commonly used medications, such as antibiotics, painkillers and vaccines.



    But the bloc’s move to insulate itself from growing drug shortages threatens to exacerbate the increasing scarcity of medicines facing the NHS, posing serious problems for doctors.

    “Europe is securing access to key drugs and vaccines as a single region, with huge influence and buying power.

    As a result of Brexit the UK is now isolated from this system, so our drug supplies could be at risk in the future,” said Dr Andrew Hill, an expert on the pharmaceutical trade.

    Britain is experiencing a record level of drug shortages, with more than 100 – including treatments for cancer, type 2 diabetes and motor neurone disease – scarce or impossible to obtain.


    Mark Dayan, the Brexit programme lead at the Nuffield Trust health thinktank, said the EU’s decision to act as a buying cartel could seriously disadvantage Britain.

    “There is a real risk that measures in such a large neighbour, which is now a separate market due to Brexit, will leave the UK behind in the queue when shortages strike,” Dayan said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    That's good for you

    My guess would be that, if you made an effort for it, could find some places in the EU that are more screwed than the UK.

    Would be pointless, but just as worthy as your ...example
    I realise you're a Johnny Foreigner, but do try to keep up with the conversation, there's a good chap.

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    The report by the Nuffield Health Trust makes it clear BREXIT is not the sole cause of the shortage...

    But Britain’s departure from the EU in 2020 has significantly aggravated the problem, laid bare the “fragility” of the country’s medicines supply networks and could lead to the situation worsening, the report said.


    “A clear picture emerged of underlying fragilities at a global and UK level, not fundamentally rooted in Brexit but exacerbated by it in some specific ways, especially through some companies removing the UK from their supply chains,” it said.


    The UK’s exit from the single market has disrupted the previously smooth supply of drugs, for example through the creation of a requirement for customs checks at the border, as has Britain’s decision to leave the EU’s European Medicines Agency and start approving drugs itself. The UK is now much slower than the EU at making new drugs available, the report found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I'm a little bemused since inflation is lower and wages higher in Germany compared to UK.

    Germany is having its problems, but nothing like the UK.


    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Originally Posted by helge
    That's good for you

    My guess would be that, if you made an effort for it, could find some places in the EU that are more screwed than the UK.

    Would be pointless, but just as worthy as your ...example
    I realise you're a Johnny Foreigner, but do try to keep up with the conversation, there's a good chap.
    You pick one country to compare with Brexit-UK

    I only told you, that you could have picked one worse off.

    True or not ?

    And as for your "good chap" comment:

    Your butthurt is showing, Troy.

    Now there's a good chap

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    ^ Numpty was having his usual go at Germany falling apart at the seams. There is no need to compare other eu countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Numpty was having his usual go at Germany falling apart at the seams. There is no need to compare other eu countries.
    Fair enough

    Bit hard to guess what you are commenting on, when their isn't a quote in your post

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    That someone can continue to use the term 'scaremongering' regarding the monumental fluckup that is BREXIT is quite staggering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ Numpty was having his usual go at Germany falling apart at the seams. There is no need to compare other eu countries.
    Erm no I wasn't. I acknowledge the UK is in a mess, not all Brexit related as Seeking Botty Would have us believe but I was pointing out that Germany is also struggling, as are many other EU countires. The difference with Germany is that the EU depends upon it financially as it contributes roughly half of the contributions to pay for the 18 countries who are net takers in the EU. If German is in trouble the EU is in trouble.

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    I presume posters saw this gem last week and read the comments of the beleaguered British holidaymakers threatening to boycott Spain as this is "just because of Brexit...Spain is a poor country and they don't realise how much they need us."



    What is Spain's 'PS97 a day rule' and how can I prove that I have the right funds?

    Yet another episode in the "this is what you voted for" series.

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    Britain, the new coon state in Europe.

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    ^ Indeed, the EU is admitting as many coons and ragheads as it can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I realise you're a Johnny Foreigner, but do try to keep up with the conversation, there's a good chap.
    he's borrowed LD's spurtle to mix it up a bit, or a 'hygge' overdose

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Indeed, the EU is admitting as many coons and ragheads as it can.
    It shouldn't cause Britain any problem, she is 100% in charge of her own borders now.

    #takebackcontrolbrexit

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