Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Backspin

It was Cameron before the referendum you clownish fool

Oh wow, thanks for the history lesson, you raging moron.

Cameron was/is a remainer, and where did I say Boris was PM?

You really should engage that pitifully underworked organ between your ears before posting.

But yeah, being called 'clownish' by coco himself...

Originally Posted by Backspin

Well Cameron was the head of govt and it doesn't so much matter what the mayor of London was muttering about does it..

Keep digging, you idiotic wanker.

Having a fucking scooby what you're talking about is completely immaterial to you over on planet google, isn't it.

I stated over 4 years ago that there'd be a no deal 'Brexit'. Do I win anything?

^ The UK signed a Withdrawal Agreement, so no you don't.

The WA is a cloth by which the intransigence of the EU will hang itself.

It has been quite clear for some considerable time, that the EU has a superiority complex on behalf of itself. They wanted 25%, and they were offered 30%.
The fishing issue is a comparatively minuscule part of any deal financially, but the EU has dug its heels in to save face. In doing so, they have undermined the level playing field they insisted on having, as key to the negotiations.
Time for the uk to say goodbye, we tried but were met with deaf ears on their side. The lunatics clearly feel they are special, and will tolerate no compromise.

Its like debating with SA. He only listens when he is talking.

Originally Posted by Switch

They wanted 25%, and they were offered 30%.

Initially the EU were offering to reduce the value of its catch to 15-18% and the UK were asking for 80% reduction. The UK dropped the demand to 60% and the EU upped its offer to 25%. The latest offer from the UK that I heard was Monday with 35% reduction phased in over a period of 5 years. I think the EU were hoping for a 10 year period.

Do you have a link to 30% or was that the "about a third" quoted in some papers?

In all the toing and froing, in the end there are european families who rely on fishing for a living. No deal will be the very worst outcome for these foreign fishers and the EU in its' headlong dash to dictate what will happen in British waters, could end up with the worst possible deal for the very people it is trying to protect. Maybe if the EU acknowledged Britains right to regulate their own EEZ from the start and negotiated from there, rather than initially being so intransigent on the status quo, they may have found some middle ground by now. The fisherman do not care who sets the rules as long as they can continue fishing. Those large company super trawlers need to go though.

Originally Posted by Troy

Initially the EU were offering to reduce the value of its catch to 15-18% and the UK were asking for 80% reduction. The UK dropped the demand to 60% and the EU upped its offer to 25%. The latest offer from the UK that I heard was Monday with 35% reduction phased in over a period of 5 years. I think the EU were hoping for a 10 year period.

Do you have a link to 30% or was that the "about a third" quoted in some papers?

My abridged version is much easier to follow. If I can find a link, you seem much better informed to find it yourself.
The fact that you are quibbling over minor numbers indicates the topic is much more important to remain losers.

Originally Posted by Switch

The fact that you are quibbling over minor numbers indicates the topic is much more important to remain losers.

It's a major stumbling block to a deal being reached.



But then you've clearly demonstrated throughout this thread that you don't follow the news, and only come here to attempt a feeble post-gobble wind up.

'lol'

The issue at stake is not around £250 millions worth of kippers and cod, but saving the fat-arsed Bozo BoJo the Clown's face because he's made such a fuss over "sovrinty" and wanting the last word.

Pitiful, of course, in a trade deal for a country which derives a mere 9% of its entire GDP through manufacturing of which 48% is exported to the EU.

The deal, if it is accepted by the EU as an act of getting rid of a pain in the arse, is a thin one at best but the Brexit monkeys of course cannot see that. 80% of GDP is from services and these are not embraced by the forthcoming pact.

I was hoping the Dutch, Danes, French and Belgians would block it but I suspect that realpolitik will overcome resistance on the grounds that it is unworkable and the French pecheurs will fuck it off in due course so signing it is really a nugatory act.

Originally Posted by Switch

My abridged version is much easier to follow.

Factually incorrect, 'abridged versions' are a common trait amongst the brexit brigade...

Originally Posted by Troy

Factually incorrect, 'abridged versions' are a common trait amongst the brexit brigade...

It is correct though, despite the unnecessary detail you feel the need to post. The belligerence and verbosity required of any remoaner, just to keep posting about a lost cause, is evident when you check the source of contributions on here. Seeking Ass shows the limits of his maturity by name calling like an angry 5 year old, and Cyrille has joined the schoolboy insults club, as he becomes ever more frustrated by the loss of his risible argument.
Never mind chaps. Soon be over now. LOL

Originally Posted by Switch

Soon be over now. LOL

Soon starts now. <- that's how fun it will be watching it.

I'm sure that those interested will have seen the widely reported sidelining of Barnier yesterday by von der Leyen with the final touches being directly between her and Johnson. Seems to be a ground swell of anger from many of the EU countries that Barnier has become, as a former French Fisheries Minister, too representative of the interests of Macron rather than the EU as a whole.

The value amount of fish in dispute is less than the amount that Manchester United paid in transfer fees for Paul Pogba (ironically, he's French also!). So, it's become a 'my dicks bigger than yours' contest between Macron and Johnson.

On an associated note, I've been watching live interviews being conducted with lorry drivers stuck outside Dover with the French having stopped all lorries from crossing the Channel for the past two days, ostensibly because of the new Covid variant. Obviously the conditions for the drivers, predominently EU (and by that I mean not British) are not ideal, and who by and large are returning to Europe empty and just want to get home for Christmas. Lot of anger being directed to the French/Macron, who (and not without plausible reason) who they feel are using the suspension of freight crossing as just another means of exerting Brexit pressure.

Originally Posted by Switch

It is correct though, despite the unnecessary detail you feel the need to post.

The starting position is important and missed from your post. You made it seem as though the argument was only about 25% vs 35% return of value, which is misleading and factually incorrect.

In fact the UK wish to prevent access to its EEZ within the 6-12 mile zone and the argument is about whether this breaches Articles 61 - 63 of UNCLOS.

The EU put substantial aid into the fishing industry and a lot of research into the harvesting of fish in different waters. Other coastal countries within the EU have also habitually fished in these areas. The UK is also not able to catch 100% of the available stock.

Why is Euchre so popular in Cornwall?

Read the laws rather than the papers...

https://www.un.org/depts/los/convent...s/unclos_e.pdf

Originally Posted by PAG

I'm sure that those interested will have seen the widely reported sidelining of Barnier yesterday by von der Leyen with the final touches being directly between her and Johnson.

That would, seen from the other side of your fence, also mean that David Frost has been sidestepped.

Yes, it seems there is a groundswell of opinion that Frost has become too [Fill this bit in with...flannel....tosh...one-eyed desperation...]

Originally Posted by lom

That would, seen from the other side of your fence, also mean that David Frost has been sidestepped.

That bastion of all things remain, The Guardian, only speaks of vdL taking over from Barnier. Good descriptionof current events in today's Times.

Originally Posted by PAG

That bastion of all things remain, The Guardian, only speaks of vdL taking over from Barnier. Good descriptionof current events in today's Times.

Both sides negotiation teams has finished their meetings.
Von Der Leyen is trying to break a deadlock, do you think she is in talks with the British negotiation team or with BoJo?
Do you think BoJo is sidestepping David Frost by talking with her?

You obviously didn't read that Guardian article in detail.

It should be clear by now...BREXITers aren't big on detail.

Originally Posted by lom

Both sides negotiation teams has finished their meetings.
Von Der Leyen is trying to break a deadlock, do you think she is in talks with the British negotiation team or with BoJo?
Do you think BoJo is sidestepping David Frost by talking with her?

You obviously didn't read that Guardian article in detail.

Better report in The Times, as usual.

Barnier made a statement yesterday that the negotiation teams could do no more without political intervention.

It is up to Boris to carry the can for failing to secure a trade deal by year's end. It is up to him to decide if Fisheries should be subject to separate negotiations next year, along with the other points that cannot be agreed.

A deal is imminent, how disappointing.

I was so looking forward to the WTO chaos. Still, the £ is recovering and my pensions are now looking to flourish again.