Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

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Originally Posted by sabang

As for Mr Macron, Napoleon you are not- and look what happened to him anyway. Spent his last years in a sub-tropical paradise, far removed from the bordellos of Paree..

FFS, what next...

Originally Posted by Norton

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A wee parable about Joan of Freakin' Arc but you thought better of it?

It's amazing how quickly 'trumpdumb' has infected the UK body politic.

When you invest power in the hands of the stupid, the credulous, the ignorant and the inchoate, anything is possible.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

When you invest power in the hands of the stupid, the credulous, the ignorant and the inchoate, anything is possible.

Well said Stanley Unwin.

The UK did signup for the supranational thing, despite claiming otherwise, then, the EU project was always clear that full integration to preserve European peace was the main objective of the EU project, and that started with economic integration

and this is probably why from Day 1, there was 'resistance' in the UK for anything EU, and the reasons why Euro skeptics survived for that long, any proud English patriots could see the writing on the wall that economic cooperation always lead to greater political cooperation and eventually full integration.

I bet from day 1 there was a plan to exit eventually, and that day had come. Article 49 was not part of the EU constitution originally, it was only added at the last minute after the usual English traitors suggested it

anyay, you are out politically and that's all that matters for now, NO MORE VOTES FOR YOU, EVER

^ well full integration will be much easier now so carry on. It is going to be a treat watching the last days of Micron & the Speccy twat try to force their EU ambitions whilst Micron gets ejected from power with his OAP. Oh and the budget, that is going to be even funnier. No complaints here just entertainment.

As for Sausages & Syb, what a fuking pair of muppets. The irony of them switching it to say Leavers are complaining when we've just had 3 fooking years of them bleating on is hilarious. Look you ain't in the UK, you didn't vote so whats your problem - you've never really cleared that one up.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

^ well full integration will be much easier now so carry on. It is going to be a treat watching the last days of Micron & the Speccy twat try to force their EU ambitions whilst Micron gets ejected from power with his OAP. Oh and the budget, that is going to be even funnier. No complaints here just entertainment.

the tragedy of the UK during WW2 was that it never got invaded and learn the lesson of modern wars, instead it is acting like a virgin ice bitch full of prejudice and unrealistic projections

Micron is irrelevant in the EU thing, he doesn't have the power to change the mind of the others, he is a globalist, and he is old school

as for the budget, it will be fine, don't worry, you will pay some bits

Buttfly, you, Sausages and Syb seem to keep thinking anyone in the leave camp is worried about the EU, we are not - wish you well and here's to another 40 odd years. Remove the veto, increase the budget, make it impossible for anyone to exercise democratic rights and leave the club, get the EU Defence Farce up and running, keep upholding your standards and making like King Canute whilst all the time drowning in Economic Migrants. We'll chuck you a few herrings.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Remove the veto, increase the budget, make it impossible for anyone to exercise democratic rights and leave the club, get the EU Defence Farce up and running, keep upholding your standards and making like King Canute whilst all the time drowning in Economic Migrants.

well for someone not worried about the EU, you seem to be concerned a lot about the EU

That's not worry you are seeing its a contentment, I can sit back now and watch the procession of failed Belgian PMs trying to rekindle their glory days by making their little rules and regs, all the while remaining blissfully unaware of the growing malcontent across the clubs countries as they continue to poke their long screwdrivers into peoples lives. As i said, good luck.

If the Brxit numpties are not so concerned about the EU then why are they bothering to negotiate? Why not simply state now the UK will move to WTO status and give notice it will re-erect the trade barriers and have everything prepared for 1.1.21 including the end of passported financial services?

Because when BMW, PSA, Airbus, Nissan and Toyota serve notice on their employees that they are quitting the UK, and when the £ falls to $1.10, there will be no-one to blame except BoJo the Clown and his cabinet of Orcs.

The forthcoming year is simply a charade designed to deflect that blame when the shit hits the fan.

That's why BoJo and Goebbels have suppressed the studies of post Brexit trade outcomes which all indicate losses across th board.

Quite bizarre the way the pompous Brits bleat about democracy, sovereignty and taking back control from Brussels yet they are content to be treated like cultivated mushrooms under BoJo and be kept in the dark with shit showered over them.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

If the Brxit numpties are not so concerned about the EU then why are they bothering to negotiate? Why not simply state now the UK will move to WTO status and give notice it will re-erect the trade barriers and have everything prepared for 1.1.21 including the end of passported financial services?.

Because we have to see if the EU will budge at all before we go nap. Your post above shows how glaringly obvious it is that you were a CS. Staggering that the country has kept afloat with muppets like you keeping their knees under their desks for fear of floating away. Of course we may have to declare before the "Negotiation" timeline is complete because the EU has form on not making decision til the eleventh hour or 18th Dec-20 probably.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

the tragedy of the UK during WW2 was that it never got invaded and learn the lesson of modern wars, instead it is acting like a virgin ice bitch full of prejudice and unrealistic projections

Micron is irrelevant in the EU thing, he doesn't have the power to change the mind of the others, he is a globalist, and he is old school

as for the budget, it will be fine, don't worry, you will pay some bits

So, let the negotiations begin. Interesting piece from that bugle of all things remain, The Guardian. I'm fairly sure that even SA, picking the sausage skins from his depleted and chagrin encrusted teeth will struggle with:

‘Fighting like ferrets in a bag’ as EU tries to plug Brexit cash hole



UK’s withdrawal has left £62bn hole in bloc’s purse for the next seven years

Presidents, prime ministers and chancellors across Europe will pack their bags later this week in preparation for a long weekend in Brussels. They won’t, however, be taking in the baroque majesty of the Grand Place or savouring the local culinary treats. Instead, they will be preparing for that most infamous of events, a “four shirter”, to use the clothes-packing gauge adopted by male diplomats to measure the length and horror of EU leaders’ summits in the Belgian capital. The thorny subject this time around? Money. And the problem? Britain.

The UK’s withdrawal from the European Union has left a huge €75bn (£62bn) hole in the bloc’s budget for the next seven years, 2021 to 2027. “And now we are fighting like ferrets in a sack,” said one EU diplomat with a sigh.

Covering items ranging from agricultural subsidies to science programmes and the EU’s efforts to combat the climate emergency, the new multi-annual financial framework (MFF) needs to be agreed by the leaders and an increasingly unpredictable European parliament before the end of the year. Without agreement, everything risks grinding to a halt in just nine months’ time, including the flow of cohesion funds, the cash dedicated to supporting the poorest member states.

Budget discussions in Brussels are always rancorous affairs. But this one is of a different order: everyone will have to pay more. No one wants to. EU capitals are bristling for a fight when they come to Brussels on Thursday for day one. Ominously for the diplomatic corps, an end date for the summit has not been fixed, but four days of talking are on the cards.

There are two main rivals in the budget battle. On one side are those who proudly describe themselves as “the Frugals” – the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden and Denmark (although there are some concerns within the camp that the new Austrian coalition government, being a bit Green now, has been lost to them, and that the Swedes are going soft). As the biggest net payers, the Frugals have been insisting on a budget of no more than 1% of the EU’s gross national income. The European commission’s initial proposal was for 1.1% – around €1.25tn over the seven years.

Then there are the “Friends of Cohesion”. “The Friends of Corruption, you mean?” spat one EU diplomat from a Frugal state.
The 15 under the FoC flag are the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Estonia, Croatia, Malta, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Lithuania, Latvia, Romania, Portugal and Greece.
The Frugals say that the commission’s €90bn in cuts to agriculture and cohesion funding are not enough. The FoC say they are being unfairly targeted and that the richer countries should cough up some more, setting up a battle between east and west.

The debate is all the more toxic as the commission has proposed that cohesion funds should also, in the future, be conditional on member states respecting the rule of law. It is a red rag to the bulls in the nationalist governments of Hungary and Poland, who are already in a battle with Brussels over their judicial reforms, among other issues.

Then there is France and Germany. Berlin’s main concern is that they don’t come out of it looking worse than the French. In Paris, the government just worries about how much cash is going to go to its farmers, said one senior EU official. The fragmentation of the national debates leaves it impossible to say what will happen, said a second official, with even Irish politics in turmoil following the election that has made Sinn Féin the second largest parliamentary party.

Going in to the summit, the European council’s president, Charles Michel, a former prime minister of Belgium, has been engaged in furious shuttle diplomacy around the capitals.

Michel has put forward an alternative proposal for the budget to be 1.074% of the bloc’s gross national income (€1.094tn) in an attempt to split the difference between the warring camps.

“In this negotiation, we are not expecting member states to be happy, but the degree of dissatisfaction will be key,” said a senior EU official. “No chance,” responded a Frugal diplomat. “There is not a lot to say, except we won’t pay. And as the Rolling Stones song goes, ‘Time is on my side’.”

One wonders if there might be a repeat performance of "Auld Lang Syne" at the end of the budget talks. Har Har.

‘Fighting like ferrets in a bag’ as EU tries to plug Brexit cash hole | World news | The Guardian

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The EU in its current form will not see 2030, probably not 2025.

Care to make an even slightly less nebulous prediction?



Serbia and Montenegro may well have joined before 2025, for example.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Care to make an even slightly less nebulous prediction?



Serbia and Montenegro may well have joined before 2025, for example.

Indeed, jumping the queue perhaps, ahead of Turkey and Ukraine. Fortunately, the Republic of Ireland, with it's massive FDI (due to its extraordinary low taxes) I'm sure that they will cease their programme of building low cost/high rent accommodation and plough more money into the EU budget to make up any shortfalls.

Interestingly, was reading a piece today of how Sinn Fein and its surge in the polls scares the majority in the Republic. Unification is one thing, replicating the amount that the UK puts into the Northern Irish economy is another. Estimated to cost nearly 2000 euros per head in additional taxation if the Republic takes on the fiscal responsibility of the north.

Originally Posted by PAG

So, let the negotiations begin. Interesting piece from that bugle of all things remain, The Guardian. I'm fairly sure that even SA, picking the sausage skins from his depleted and chagrin encrusted teeth will struggle with:

‘Fighting like ferrets in a bag’ as EU tries to plug Brexit cash hole

I read this earlier and wondered just what was the point of it and the accuracy of the headline which was more subjective in its construction than anything else.
All parties in any democratic arena will bicker and fight their corner in budget negotiations - no-one wants to be shortchanged and no-one wants to pay more than their share.

The thing is, and this puzzles: just who on earth gives a flying fuck about a budget shortfall of EUR10 billions in a combined bid that equates to a total of EUR 160 billions?

A poor piece of manufactured hyperbole on a slow day in Europe for the bureau chief struggling for copy, evidently.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

That's not worry you are seeing its a contentment, I can sit back now and watch the procession of failed Belgian PMs trying to rekindle their glory days by making their little rules and regs, all the while remaining blissfully unaware of the growing malcontent across the clubs countries as they continue to poke their long screwdrivers into peoples lives. As i said, good luck.

indeed good luck to you, I think you should worry about yourself than ponder on our future without you,

it almost feel like buyer regret

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Many good pints there; Macron is a real danger to the EU and clearly wants to be the first President of a United Sovereign Europe. The Germans have a real problem now, and this has been heavily discussed/written about in the international press. It's exactly why the Germans fought so hard to stop Brexit - they know they're in an impossible situation. There is no reconciling the French concept of a united federal and sovereign Europe with the German model of controlling the ECB as much as possible while avoiding a joint French/German Fourth Reich. Once the UK has left, the French-German struggle will put the EU into self destruct, especially on the back of problems in the German economy and massive protests against Macron's vision of the future in France. The EU in its current form will not see 2030, probably not 2025.

another Brexiteer worried about our future

The EU budget thing is already a positive outcome of Brexit

It will force the EU to make the necessary savings by focusing on the essentials instead of the crap projects that the UK was probably promoting and pushing for money

win-win for the EU

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

another Brexiteer looking forward to the future

FTFY.

^^^^^

I don't disagree with that. However, it does draw comparisons between much of the EU states and their PR systems of government (read coalitions - often of unlikely partners) with constant compromise leading to inertia.

BJ in the space of a couple of weeks has (potentially) energised the UK, firstly with the Huawai decision (who thinks he's Trumps lap dog?), then with HS2. The next budget will no doubt see a raft of investment decisions which (apparently) lead to a rise in sterling beyond the decent rate achieved thus far this year.