Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Blair’s legacy is fatally tainted by Iraq.

IMHO you massively overstate his influence.

Oh and bunghole boy, yet again you have shown your ignorance of the Maastricht treaty. Ha Ha Ha...you stupid cnut.

Originally Posted by cyrille

And UK car production fell 45 % in April compared with the same period last year, amidst fears of crashing out without a deal.

What a hulking moron this idiot is.

So SeekingAss was asked to compare the economies of UK with those of France, Germany and Italy which of course he failed to do as it would have shown his previous post to be bullshit and then you not being able to help yourself with your 2 obsessions namely me and making a total tit of yourself decide to jump on his back. But again all you do is expose yourself as a no nothing thick twat who doesn't understand simple figures and what they mean. Go compare GDP, unemployment, inflation etc. And get back to me when you have even the slightest clue as to what you are talking about. You truly are an imbecile, again how the fuck have you spent your whole life in a classroom as an educator? You make Fluke and Socal seem intelligent.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Oh and bunghole boy, yet again you have shown your ignorance of the Maastricht treaty. Ha Ha Ha...you stupid cnut.

Again all you do is expose yourself as someone who has no understanding of anything but I think everyone can see that and why 99% of your posts are tedious pointless sniping attempting to hide behind and distract from the fact that you truly are a clueless thick twat with no knowledge on anything.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Blair’s legacy is fatally tainted by Iraq.

IMHO you massively overstate his influence.

Again another post showing what a total clueless twat you are, Blair has a huge amount of influence all around the world which he has used to hugely enrich himself. He maybe despised by many in the UK but that doesn't take away from the huge influence he still exerts.

Originally Posted by bungholeboy

blah blah verbose bollocks i have more money than you blah blah blah

Blair's influence is garnered through his very successful premiership extending for a decade in tumultuous times when he was at the centre of world politics, its protocols and institutions. He is therefore very experienced, a shrewd operator and, like Clinton, was capable of engendering a collegiate approach to problem solving. His wealth was derived from canny property acquisition and his post-premiership consultancy work in advising institutions and governments, including public engagements and speaking tours.
He no longer has an executive function and as such has no influence on outcomes other than as a possible advisor or mediator.
And that is it.

Betty is just a little bit insane.

BumBumboy is merely an oik but regurgitates what he gleans from the Express/Mail leader page.

Tax is an ageing blimp languishing in the embrace of long acquired prejudices as incipient dementia leads him into a hinterland of nostalgia and delusion fostered by rabid opinion pieces in the Daily Telegraph, and perusals of old album photographs of his whippet fucking days when Gladys Baldwhistle, barmaid at the Ferretfuckers in Shitbymoorside, Grimshire was on the rag and wouldn't take it up the bum.

Come October when the new PM begs for another extension the EU will insist on a long one, maybe two years, more uncertainty going cheap at 20-40bn...and on it goes; they will cling to us because they need us, and we don't have leaders with the stomach to break free.

Discussing anything with Brexiteers is difficult in much the same way getting a traffic cone, something which several posters herein resemble in terms of intellectual acuity, to understand quantum mechanics represents a challenge.

If the UK asks for another extension it will only be granted if one of two things occur, either the UK wishes to hold a general election or a second referendum. There can be no other option unless parliament intends to approve the withdrawal agreement signed off by May and the EU, and wishes time to administer it.

In terms of a strategic appreciation of the Brexit decision, the EU has made it clear that this is regrettable and unnecessary but if that is what the UK wants so be it. The protracted difficulty is negotiating a withdrawal arises out of one single issue, Ireland and NI. If there was no Ireland then the UK would have jettisoned itself on 29 April and no one in Europe would have given a fuck.

Brexit is only an issue for the British and the Irish, the rest of Europe frankly couldn't care too much. Britain represents a mere 3% of combined EU GDP, its nothing that cannot be absorbed. For Britain however, it's 13% of GDP and a significant loss of inward FDI. But the problem is, Britain's GDP is largely generated by the service sectors and these are no longer marketable in the EU, only trade in manufacturing sectors was subject to EU/UK agreement.

Britain is fucked no matter what happens and can only save itself if it abandons Brexit.

The reality.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I did this three years ago when your £ fell 20% reducing your income by a similar amount.

The difference between me and you is that I had/have a plan B. You appear to be a well educated person whereby I'm of the old secondary school system. I'd have expected that it would be the likes of me who would be the most financially insecure of the two? Strange that. No offence meant.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Discussing anything with Brexiteers is difficult in much the same way getting a traffic cone, something which several posters herein resemble in terms of intellectual acuity, to understand quantum mechanics represents a challenge.

If the UK asks for another extension it will only be granted if one of two things occur, either the UK wishes to hold a general election or a second referendum. There can be no other option unless parliament intends to approve the withdrawal agreement signed off by May and the EU, and wishes time to administer it.

In terms of a strategic appreciation of the Brexit decision, the EU has made it clear that this is regrettable and unnecessary but if that is what the UK wants so be it. The protracted difficulty is negotiating a withdrawal arises out of one single issue, Ireland and NI. If there was no Ireland then the UK would have jettisoned itself on 29 April and no one in Europe would have given a fuck.

Brexit is only an issue for the British and the Irish, the rest of Europe frankly couldn't care too much. Britain represents a mere 3% of combined EU GDP, its nothing that cannot be absorbed. For Britain however, it's 13% of GDP and a significant loss of inward FDI. But the problem is, Britain's GDP is largely generated by the service sectors and these are no longer marketable in the EU, only trade in manufacturing sectors was subject to EU/UK agreement.

Britain is fucked no matter what happens and can only save itself if it abandons Brexit.

The reality.

Again with your stupid 3% figure trying to make a point that is irrelevant. It is the trade with individual countries that matters and the importance of the UK market to them as in Hungary couldn't give a fuck but with us being the largest importer of German cars and French agricultural produce it will greatly affect them. As to the EU saying they won't renegotiate that's due to them believing that we won't leave without a deal and they were quite correct under Doris. A lot depends on who the new PM will be as to what direction things are going to take.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Again another post showing what a total clueless twat you are, Blair has a huge amount of influence all around the world which he has used to hugely enrich himself. He maybe despised by many in the UK but that doesn't take away from the huge influence he still exerts.

he might have interesting ideas and interesting things to say for people to listen to, but that doesn't mean he has a huge influence

Would you say Nigel has a huge influence? same same Tony, all talks, people listen, and then they go take a shit

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

The difference between me and you is that I had/have a plan B. You appear to be a well educated person whereby I'm of the old secondary school system. I'd have expected that it would be the likes of me who would be the most financially insecure of the two? Strange that. No offence meant.

Prag, you are 67, the only plan B is a fucking great void.

In terms of kin, the wingman is provided for in the scheme of things and if we wanted we can go anywhere in the UK and the EU but as things develop it is becoming increasingly an unwelcome prospect.

My only real desire apart from a long and happy life for me and mine is to see England crash and burn in flames.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

he might have interesting ideas and interesting things to say for people to listen to, but that doesn't mean he has a huge influence

Would you say Nigel has a huge influence? same same Tony, all talks, people listen, and then they go take a shit

Nigel has no influence compared to Blair, governments and NGO etc. Listen to Blair, seek his advice etc. He is still a cvnt though who should be in the Hague but fact remains he is a man of influence on the world stage.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

If the UK asks for another extension it will only be granted if one of two things occur, either the UK wishes to hold a general election or a second referendum. There can be no other option unless parliament intends to approve the withdrawal agreement signed off by May and the EU, and wishes time to administer it.

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Britain is fucked no matter what happens and can only save itself if it abandons Brexit.

The reality.

you seem to forget 2 things though,

1. The UK parliament voted against NO DEAL
2. The EU, with Merkel, doesn't want you to leave and was ready to give 2 years last time Theresa came begging and you will get it again with no conditions attached. Blame Macron instead for the 6 months extension

The only exit at this stage is not GE or REF2, it's simply REVOKE Article 50

Labour had to modernise and move towards the centre to win elections.

That happened under Blair, and now everything about Labour that isn’t left wing is supposedly Blairite.

Any perceptive person can see his influence on the modern day Labour party is overblown by the media.

This of course rules out bungholeboy, who possesses all the acuity of a half used toilet roll.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Prag, you are 67, the only plan B is a fucking great void.

In terms of kin, the wingman is provided for in the scheme of things and if we wanted we can go anywhere in the UK and the EU but as things develop it is becoming increasingly an unwelcome prospect.

My only real desire apart from a long and happy life for me and mine is to see England crash and burn in flames.

You back in denial mode about being English again Gerald? Ok your paddy ancestors came over to dig ditches but you are a self loathing Englishman.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Labour had to modernise and move towards the centre to win elections.

That happened under Blair, and now everything about Labour that isn’t left wing is supposedly Blairite.

Any perceptive person can see his influence on the modern day Labour party is overblown by the media.

This of course rules out bungholeboy, who possesses all the acuity of a half used toilet roll.

You really are a gormless clown totally clueless and oblivious to reality, the Labour is still full of Blairites as in most of their mps. Again is there any subject you actually know anything about?

Originally Posted by buriramboy

is there any subject you actually know anything about?

well, we could start with the fact that he's undeniably an expert at winding you up.

Originally Posted by raycarey

well, we could start with the fact that he's undeniably an expert at winding you up.

So his lack of knowledge on every subject and the constant way he continually ends up humiliating himself is just him winding me up, ahh got it now.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

you seem to forget 2 things though,

1. The UK parliament voted against NO DEAL
2. The EU, with Merkel, doesn't want you to leave and was ready to give 2 years last time Theresa came begging and you will get it again with no conditions attached. Blame Macron instead for the 6 months extension

The only exit at this stage is not GE or REF2, it's simply REVOKE Article 50

You have misread the current situation.
Revocation can only occur after a General Election or a referendum. This must take place before 31 October. If the Tories win a clear majority or the referendum advocates Brexit under any circumstances, then it will be a WTO Brexit or the EU can signal they will be prepared to re-negotiate. If the EU stick to their current stance of no more negotiation then it will be WTO Brexit. If the Tories are slaughtered in the polls and Lab/LD coalition wins then I suspect a referendum will be offered in which case a further extension might be sought and granted.I assume that a LD/Labour victory will result in a Ref2 decision rejecting Brexit. If there is no election but a referendum rejects Brexit then that is it. Revocation will ensue. Britain will resume its status as before and we are back to normality with the £ back to $1.50 and 54 baht.

The roller coaster goes on but eventually even the dimmest will give up on Brexit except for the true idiots and nutters.

The point is, once the new leader emerges and is told by the EU that there will be no more negotiation, the May deal is the only deal, then the Tories must decide to opt for either the GE or Ref2. There is no other option. The country has to decide. So, for the next two months the £ is going to trade at 38-40 baht. That is the only certainty.

^^It isn’t ‘knowledge’ per se, bungholeboy. It is a viewpoint. You are constantly confusing the two and doing victory jigs that expose you as rather desperate and an utter cock.

My view on Blair is pretty similar to thegent’s, but you’re not so desperate to score puerile points against him, right?

Needless to say, you are failing dismally yet again, you blustering dickhead.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Well, the question asked was easy enough, cyrille.

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union

33,577,342 people voted. I am not yet aware of any research that shows how many people "too stupid to deal with this stuff" voted leave and how many people "too stupid to deal with this stuff" voted remain.

I am also not aware of a 'too-stupid-to-vote' test for the referendum so we'll just have to accept the result:
Leave: 17,410,742 votes
Remain: 16,141,241 votes

Winning margin: 1,269,501 votes.

Very difficult to argue against this. Brexit was offered, Brexit was chosen and Brexit it must be.

The agreed Brexit negotiated by May though fails to deliver what those voting for brexit want and puts the UK in a worse position than staying in. It is a bad compromise and was rightly voted against in Parliament.

I don't see an answer by October that will satisfy either camp apart from Boris being PM and a complete withdrawal from the EU. If this turns out to be a mistake then further loss of sovereignty will be the cost.

Troy, have you had a fucking stroke or what? You're talking gibberish man. It's fucking obvious that 17.4 million in favour of Brexit were by definition too fucking stupid to vote. Fuck me, get a grip. And what loss of sovereignty, the UK like all other states can derogate on national interest grounds and only concedes on matters in its own and every other fucker's interests viz, clean water, health, hygiene, working conditions and free trade etc.

Sort yourself out and get back on the right side history.

Incidentally Cyril, the only points Bumbumboy scores off me are his own goals.

Originally Posted by cyrille

^^It isn’t ‘knowledge’ per se, bungholeboy. It is a viewpoint. You are constantly confusing the two and doing victory jigs that expose you as rather desperate and an utter cock.

My view on Blair is pretty similar to thegent’s, but you’re not so desperate to score puerile points against him, right?

Needless to say, you are failing dismally yet again, you blustering dickhead.

Again you show what an idiot you are, you continually post made up shit as in Blair or just expose your ignorance as in debt/deficit now try to say your excuse for being a thick twat is that you are expressing viewpoints. You probably just delete your account to save making a bigger tit of yourself.