Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

So no deal is off the table now? Brexit is becoming more confusing by the day!

No deal was firmly voted off the table but is very much on the table until it is removed which it won't be until it is replaced with something else they're trying to agree with just a week to go before we leave with a no deal. Confused yet?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The EU will extend but only if there is a significant reason for it leading to the agreement being accepted, a revocation or a GE resolving the impasse. The 'confirmatory' referendum is a possibility, the terms of which are being thrashed out - presumably the question to be put to the people is either Brexit is under May's agreement or without it, but I should imagine the third option" that Brexit is abandoned" will be the sticking point for the stupid doctrinaires with their fingers up the anus of mob populism masquerading as democracy.

GE doesn't resolve the impasse but delays it. Otherwise once we wade through your gutter talk you almost make sense, not sure, too much shit in the air.

They are not going to let us leave, the only way some Doris-Corbyn deal is going to get through is if they attach a second referendum to it in the name of a peoples vote as that sounds nicer and can pretend it's not actually a second referendum. If Doris agrees to that Corbyn demand she will finally be toast as half her cabinet will resign which is the only positive. There will be another long extension and another after that if needed until we permanently stay.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Starmer has said in the past (repeatedly) that the two options should be May's deal or remain. So, seems as he is trying to put a customs union and other hand cuffs onto May's deal which make it worse than just staying, he is just playing games to get Brexit stopped. He is a total lying, politiking kunt. Not so different from May...

I think there's doubt in any reasonable person's mind that our PM, ministers, MPs and civil service were from day one determined to do what it takes to stay in.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

They are not going to let us leave, the only way some Doris-Corbyn deal is going to get through is if they attach a second referendum to it in the name of a peoples vote as that sounds nicer and can pretend it's not actually a second referendum. If Doris agrees to that Corbyn demand she will finally be toast as half her cabinet will resign which is the only positive. There will be another long extension and another after that if needed until we permanently stay.

One of many problems with Ref2 is that there can be no politician-proof options to leave since it is the politicians themselves that must confirm the action. And if they were prepared to deliver we wouldn't be in this situation.

A50 extension leads us into an endless loop from which the only escape is the warm embrace of the communal suicide pact.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

When Article 50 was designed it was thought that it would be triggered by a leave government with a clear plan hence only two years would be required to leave.

I thought you were arguing earlier that the UK had a clear plan...

If there is to be another referendum, or a confirmatory vote, then it should be between only two options. The Parliamentary agreed way forward for brexit, confirmed by the EU, or remain.

Originally Posted by Norton

Even with Butter's occasional post you Brits whilst having clear disagreement have kept this debate civil. Kudos.

Brits love to disagree cordially and do nothing, that's why they are so inept in accomplishing anything, and why they have been a liability all those years in moving EU forward, they are basically dead weight

not even a tsunami would panic those fools

Originally Posted by DrB0b

No, it's not off the table. The UK Parliament have voted that no deal is not acceptable but the EU say no deal is the default. This is one of the basic problems, Parliament are constantly debating and voting on deals and solutions that are just not available. It is madness.

it's frigging amusing I say, they should turn the whole thing into a TV series with 25 seasons

WTF??? couldn't Tusk just shut the fuck up and not raise hopes for the MPs loons?

Brexit: EU's Donald Tusk 'suggests 12-month flexible delay'
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47821646

European Council President Donald Tusk is proposing to offer the UK a 12-month "flexible" extension to its Brexit date, according to a senior EU source.

His plan would allow the UK to leave sooner if Parliament ratifies a deal, but it would need to be agreed by EU leaders at a summit next week.

The UK's Conservatives and Labour Party are set to continue Brexit talks later.

Attorney General Geoffrey Cox has told the BBC that if they fail, the delay is "likely to be a long one".

The UK is due to leave the EU on 12 April and, as yet, no withdrawal deal has been approved by MPs.

Downing Street said "technical" talks between Labour and the Conservatives on Thursday had been "productive" and would continue on Friday.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

^^ Why would no deal not be an option when it's likely (but could be confirmed) that's what most brexiters voted for?

Tusk's flextension is an interesting proposition. After all, there's no reason why Article 50 needs to be fixed at two years other than that's the way it was drafted.

It can be the option if it's the way forward for brexit, agreed in Parliament.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

That's silly. Brexiters who believe in pure brexit and don't want an EU treaty will probably boycott a referendum choice between the existing EU treaty and May's new EU treaty, making a nonsense of the vote.

At the moment there is no majority for any form of brexit. If there was, the UK wouldn't be in the mess it's in. If you can't decide what you want and all options are inferior to remain then the choice is obvious.

REF 2 got to be:

Maybot DEAL Yes
Maybot DEAL No

I don't see a possible remain question there,

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

Moving it forward to where?

Many on the continent are fearful about the loss of the British common sense and restraining influence.

moving forward into making one big united EU with no political and economic frontier,

Originally Posted by Troy

At the moment there is no majority for any form of brexit. If there was, the UK wouldn't be in the mess it's in. If you can't decide what you want and all options are inferior to remain then the choice is obvious.

The only option superior to remain is a clean Brexit which is what people voted for but the government will never implement it and they will never put it on any future referendum either as they are shit scared people would vote for it. No one leaver or remainer wants Doris deal or any form of it on that we can all agree so any future vote should be remain or a clean Brexit but that ain't gonna happen as we are never leaving.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

moving forward into making one big united EU with no political and economic frontier,

Sadly my little Algerian friend that will never happen as we ain't leaving and will continue to thwart progress towards your federalist superstate.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

That's silly. Brexiters who believe in pure brexit and don't want an EU treaty will probably boycott a referendum choice between the existing EU treaty and May's new EU treaty, making a nonsense of the vote.

But no vote is still a vote.

They need a functioning parliament and a strong, decisive and capable leader like NZ / Adern.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Sadly my little Algerian friend that will never happen as we ain't leaving and will continue to thwart progress towards your federalist superstate.

don't worry, we might ask all EU members to forfeit all royal institutions before they become fully integrated with EU

that should be the breaking point for you to revolt and go full hard brexit

Originally Posted by buriramboy

The only option superior to remain is a clean Brexit which is what people voted for but the government will never implement it and they will never put it on any future referendum either as they are shit scared people would vote for it. No one leaver or remainer wants Doris deal or any form of it on that we can all agree so any future vote should be remain or a clean Brexit but that ain't gonna happen as we are never leaving.

It's what you voted for and what you think is superior to remain. The government forecasts for no-deal suggest you are wrong in your belief.

Apples vs. Oranges.

Originally Posted by Troy

It's what you voted for and what you think is superior to remain. The government forecasts for no-deal suggest you are wrong in your belief.

All forecasts about what would happen after a vote to leave were wrong to.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

The EU should be obliged to assist member states that exercise a democratic desire to leave, rather than trying to punish them into having a second referendum and trying to force responsibility for protecting the single market in Ireland onto the UK.

The EU dreams of having a greater GDP than the USA. Without the UK it's impossible.

I agree , but , if I understand this correctly , you guys don't just want to leave. you want to leave with a special status, and there lays the rub.
What person or entity does not desire a special status? I know I do! and if allowed everyone would want a special status, IMO it would be the beginning of the end of the EU. How would the EU falling apart , which is what IMO would happen, help the EU's desire for a greater GDP?
Then we have the issue that whatever happens ,a significant portion of your population would feel wronged, if thing don't work great , which IMO will not, because Brexit or no brexit, there will still be other challenges ahead.. How do you guys plan to address that issue??

The problem is the disconnect between politicians and the people and the politicians refuse to implement what the people voted for and the losing side in the referendum refuse to accept the result and will stop at nothing in trying to overturn it. Bit like libtards in the US refusing to accept Trump and trying all the can to get rid of him.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

REF 2 got to be:

Maybot DEAL Yes
Maybot DEAL No

I don't see a possible remain question there,

I thought you want us to stop bothering you.