Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

I suspect the outcome would be around 40% remain, 35% leave, and 25% May's treaty, making leave the winner.

Which will immediately be rejected by remainers...and so on until they get their desired outcome.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

To prevent the leave vote being split, the percentage for leave and May's treaty are combined to give the initial outcome, and if totalling more than 50%

They are two separate options so combining the results makes no sense. Seems that the belief that a simple majority is the will of the people no longer applies

Realistically, those options are the same as I proposed earlier and it was pointed out that it would be seen as a deliberate attempt to split the leave vote and I can't help but agree.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

Educate yourself

I posted about several different forms of voting earlier. I'm pretty well up on how it's done, unlike the posters on this thread who have shown theybelieve a simple majority is the only form of democracy. The "biggest Democratic event in history" mob.

I think the referendum options should all be for leave but the options should be options that can be implemented and not the fantasy options which keep being proposed.

Just kick the can down the road again and again until everyone is bored of kicking it.

But, but, surely that would kick off the gammon revolution!!!!!

(apologies to Alex for putting this tune to this use, he was a great man)

Thought you might do that. I wondered if you'd remember you said exactly the opposite earlier.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I posted about several different forms of voting earlier. I'm pretty well up on how it's done, unlike the posters on this thread who have shown theybelieve a simple majority is the only form of democracy. The "biggest Democratic event in history" mob.
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Bob, what the fuk is the point in that statement, as is usual with most of your comments its contextual bollix. Its like someone has cloned the Gent but removed the gene sequence which causes tourettes - same outcome just slightly less flowery. Carry on, and on...

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

And if remain wins, leave will demand a best of three.

Source?

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Bob, what the fuk is the point in that statement,

Don't worry about it, it wasn't meant for you. If I wanted you to understand what I said I'd use crayons, itty-bitty words, and pictures of fluffy animals.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Doris and Corbyn are trying to come up with a deal even worse than hers. Meanwhile a bill is going through the Lords to basically make no deal illegal.

and that didn't work successfully it seems

Brexit: Labour and Conservative talks end after 4.5 hours
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47815599

Talks between Conservative and Labour teams have taken place for a second day, in a bid to end Brexit deadlock.

The discussions, which lasted 4.5 hours, were described as "detailed and productive" by the government.

Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer said earlier that the idea of a "confirmatory" referendum on any Brexit deal would be discussed.

MPs backed a bill on Wednesday which would force the PM to seek a new delay to Brexit.

The House of Lords are debating it in general terms - but detailed line-by-line scrutiny, when they will have the chance to propose changes to the bill, will not take place until Monday.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

An option of a confirmatory referendum will be offered to MPs in a few days.

what is the fooking point? you think EU27 is going to grant an extension on this alone when it should have been done 6 months ago?

hard brexit is the default, and I am starting to think the EU is looking forward to it

let's not be coward, let's go for hard Brexit, like real men would do

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

When Article 50 was designed it was thought that it would be triggered by a leave government with a clear plan hence only two years would be required to leave.

True. Nobody thought it would be triggered by the least intellectually capable government in 700 years. This is what happens when politicians appeal to populism, you end up with an executive whose only ability is parroting slogans. And yes, I’m aware that in the UK that started with Blair.

Phony Blair and New Labour, what was worse?
Thatcherism?

Maggie and Tony sitting in a tree k I s s i n g. ....

Even with Butter's occasional post you Brits whilst having clear disagreement have kept this debate civil. Kudos.

So no deal is off the table now? Brexit is becoming more confusing by the day!

Originally Posted by Norton

Even with Butter's occasional post you Brits whilst having clear disagreement have kept this debate civil. Kudos.

I reckon everyone is in agreement on taking the piss out of the whole situation

Can we have a vote on which hole Boris would take with May?

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

So no deal is off the table now? Brexit is becoming more confusing by the day!

No, it's not off the table. The UK Parliament have voted that no deal is not acceptable but the EU say no deal is the default. This is one of the basic problems, Parliament are constantly debating and voting on deals and solutions that are just not available. It is madness.

The EU will extend but only if there is a significant reason for it leading to the agreement being accepted, a revocation or a GE resolving the impasse. The 'confirmatory' referendum is a possibility, the terms of which are being thrashed out - presumably the question to be put to the people is either Brexit is under May's agreement or without it, but I should imagine the third option" that Brexit is abandoned" will be the sticking point for the stupid doctrinaires with their fingers up the anus of mob populism masquerading as democracy.

Thanks for clarification on your chosen hole

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

It's the "Brexit of Champions", har har.

The Tory party is coming apart at the seams. I told you all it would be destroyed by Brexit and there'll be no one left to pick up pieces other than Labour.

Honestly, you truly have to laugh, the irony is delicious. A Tory leader with a majority government gives it all away and kills herself by drinking from the most venomous of all poisoned chalices. Osborne and Cameron must be laughing like drains as those skin bags Gove and BoJo are hung out to dry on the scaffold of their hubris.

Careful mate, you're giving false hope to the Corbynistas and other middle of the road liberal socialists.

Originally Posted by NigelFarage

Playing dumb won't prove anything. If that's the attitude then we need to keep remain off the ballot.

Educate yourself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_splitting

No legitimate ballot could have a remain option; that's already been decided, and now the only choices remaining for voters if it comes to that should be about the details.

The 3 options you mentioned earlier, to leave, remain and May's deal, imply that the surrender Treaty is neither leave nor remain but hokey kokey.

The EU have shown its true colours to a half billion subjects and a handful of frightened elected leaders, some of whom are building up the courage to take on the Empire; but whatever the final outcome the gods will not come out of this smelling sweet.

Otoh, there's this story about the Tartar prince who was thinking to convert to Christianity, and wanted to go to Lyons to kiss the feet of the Pope and witness the purity of Christian morals. The King tried to deter him, being sure that once the Oriental viewed the true state of Western affairs he would start back in revulsion. But the Tartar insisted, and went, and returned from Lyons fully converted because, as he said, this must indeed be a great religion which can maintain itself when even its titular head and its retainers are so sunk in depravity and evil.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I posted about several different forms of voting earlier. I'm pretty well up on how it's done, unlike the posters on this thread who have shown theybelieve a simple majority is the only form of democracy. The "biggest Democratic event in history" mob.

I think the referendum options should all be for leave but the options should be options that can be implemented and not the fantasy options which keep being proposed.

Which leave options, iyvho can be implemented and which are a fantasy, keeping in mind you speak for yourself and many Remainers believe all leave options are a fantasy?

Originally Posted by foobar

Source?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Don't worry about it, it wasn't meant for you. If I wanted you to understand what I said I'd use crayons, itty-bitty words, and pictures of fluffy animals.

I see you've raised your debating standards, again.