Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Troy

Breaking News

Brexit talks will be extended .................................................. ..........again!


Ho! Ho! Ho!


What a freaking joke!

The EU and the UK have, sensibly agreed to continue negotiations, past the EU imposed Sunday deadline. The brexit deadline has not been extended.

Must give Europe every possible chance to capitulate, otherwise, certain posters will blame the UK.

Originally Posted by Switch

Troy has no idea about RN duties, training and operational commitments in the current orbat. In case you missed it, RN vessels are no longer made from oak.

Originally Posted by Switch

Must give Europe every possible chance to capitulate

They might do that, but will call it something different.

Originally Posted by Switch

The EU and the UK have, sensibly agreed to continue negotiations, past the EU imposed Sunday deadline. The brexit deadline has not been extended.

It was a deadline that had been set by both sides and it has been extended.

There is no way a deal can be written up by the end of the year but a deal will be made. After all, it was BoJo that proclaimed, only last year, there was a 1 in a million chance of a no deal.

Time to stop trying to polish turds Chas.

Raab being grilled on the Andrew Marr show today...

Originally Posted by Switch

Must give Europe every possible chance to capitulate, otherwise, certain posters will blame the UK.

Being offered some scraps from the dining room table is not what I would consider capitulation.

I imagine there will be some transition towards the UK being allowed to keep a higher percentage of the fishing catch from UK waters. In return there will be a grace period for the UK to adhere to future EU policies.

The UK will be proclaiming a victory of sorts, the EU will continue on regardless.

Originally Posted by Switch

past the EU imposed Sunday deadline

4 more years.

4 more years.

4 more years.

^ Go away unless you have something constructive to say. There's enough noise in this thread already.

Originally Posted by Switch

Take your German passport and live by unqualified majority in the EU.

I am a British citizen and will remain one for my lifetime. I find any notion of changing citizenship quite silly and have no intentions of doing so.

The current trade negotiations have an effect on UK citizens that are permanent residents in the EU unless dual citizenship has been adopted. It is even more complicated if the UK citizen has married a third national and exercised their right according to the Treaty of Rome.

The local immigration authority are having a bit of a headache at the moment.


To think that Brexit only affects those that live in the UK and citizens living elsewhere should STFU is quite absurd.


There has to be a trade deal and there will be one. The idea that the UK will trade under WTO has always been a complete nonsense.

Originally Posted by Troy

To think that Brexit only affects those that live in the UK and citizens living elsewhere should STFU is quite absurd.

To think that the UK and the EU will tailor a solution that fits your unique circumstances is equally absurd, but you carry on hoping.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Well the stage is now set for BoJo to do what he's done throughout his entire political career.

Pathetic climbdown sold as skilfully engineered victory on the way.

Here we go...

A post-Brexit trade and security deal could be sealed as early as this week after Boris Johnson made a key concession over the weekend, the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, has told ambassadors and MEPs in Brussels.

Brexit trade deal possible within days after Johnson concession, says EU | Brexit | The Guardian

^ Is that the EU capitulation that chas keeps talking about?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Low pound: Great for Exports, great for tourism.

Imagine how good you guys would be doing if your currency value was reduced to near zero.

The point seemingly lost on the Brexit rabble is that after four years of economic self harm involving a 2% decrease in GDP, over 25% reduction in FDI and a 20% devaluation in Sterling, the ERG/BoJo crew will at the very best sign a deal that is worse than what the UK had before 2016, a deficit that all are agreed, except the propagandists and deranged, cannot be made up from global commerce through trade with others outside the EU.

In economic terms this farrago by the British marks the first time in world trade that a country willingly entered into an agreement that prejudiced its trading position in such a grievous manner and for no discernible or measurable benefit.

As Heseltine and Patten said yesterday, echoing my comments over the past four years, it is quite simply the stupidest move in British political history.

Originally Posted by Troy

I imagine there will be some transition towards the UK being allowed to keep a higher percentage of the fishing catch from UK waters. In return there will be a grace period for the UK to adhere to future EU policies.

^ Typical Brexit bravado...how very sad to see in the 21st century.

Meanwhile, what about the trawlers sailing under the UK flag that never sail into UK ports.

Originally Posted by Troy

what about the trawlers sailing under the UK flag that never sail into UK ports.

No worries. All will be sorted soon.

Foreign-owned vessels which are UK-registered must meet certain conditions to show an 'economic link' to the UK.
The Government is proposing to strengthen the rules from Jan 1 2022, requiring these vessels to land 70 per cent of their catch in UK ports or to hand back some of their quota.

Daily Mail.

Interesting post, shamelessly stolen...

I work in Exports; the customs model I've been working on for a customer... Brexit Complexity

Not sure if this going to be interesting or eye opening to anyone - but in case it gives some detail you can throw at Brexiteers in arguments, its worth me putting on here.

I work for a top 10 UK freight forwarder doing work exclusive on a large account - predominately export related, but also import. I thought it might be interesting to share the customs model we've proposed to our customer and where Brexit becomes a nightmare.

Scenario: Our customer has its own trucking fleet that go across Europe, with many different "runs" where one truck may drive across multiple EU countries stopping at a hub in each city to drop off a shipment. They need a freight forwarder to help with customs requirements, of which they have few dealings with.

For this example - lets assume the truck needs to go from Birmingham, via Dover, to Paris, Brussels and finally, Berlin

Current: To date, we rarely had to get involved with customs clearance processes on their behalf. Maybe 5 times in 5 years. As long as the driver is qualified & legally allowed to drive a vehicle and has a passport there are zero customs requirements and they can send goods freely around the EU, pick stuff up and bring it back to the UK.

The truck is loaded, no customs documentation - drives and delivers to each city with the same amount of customs restrictions an Amazon prime driver has delivering to a UK doorstep.

Jan 2021:

• The truck needs an Export Declaration (SAD) document pre-lodging on the UK CHIEF system for each of the 3 consignments (1 for each city)
• The truck needs a TAD (Transit Accompany Document) for each shipment (3), as a guarantee on the duties and taxes - this is raised through the NCTS system.
• The TAD must give the codes of the terminating customs office in each country,
• The shipper (our client) needs us to arrange this paperwork on their behalf - although they could do aspects of this themselves.
• The consignee in each city needs pre-emptively arrange local customs paperwork specific to the commodity onboard (e.g. duty and tax emption if applicable, or any extra paperwork required by customs)
• Once all parties have given the green light & the truck driver has his paperwork, he can finally leave Birmingham
• He has to go to one of the forwarders depots on route- e.g Heathrow to put the Export Entry into a status called "permission to proceed" - we currently understand this "PTP" needs to be granted in a specific designated export place (DEP) - but the advise is hazy, and it maybe that in the coming weeks this could be done at the customers site at point of load
• The TAD also needs to be set live at a DEP, although in the last few days govt have advised they can use one of 5 spots in Kent.
• so once this is done, the driver needs to go on a govt link/app and enter a number from the ED/TAD - called a Movement reference number (MRN), into a portal to gain access to Kent - if not, he risks a 300 quid fine.
• Once he's in Kent, he needs to log onto a French government portal called SI BREXIT - and then again, register his truck details for the imminent crossing
• The UK should have a system called GVMS by July 2021 that is a SMART border crossing system (equivalent to the French SI BREXIT and other EU port systems), but alas - its not ready yet.
• A document called an Import Security and Safety Declaration also needs to be predeclared before crossing - this is in dispute between us and our French agent to confirm if we/or they can do this
• The driver will sit in the queues, and then cross from Dover to Calais
• Once in France, he has to go to our agent office in Lens - near calais - specifically to their site - where they will finalise clearance with the local customs office - depending on the commodity carried, they may have to give him documentation that he then has to drive personally to a customs office (2 stops to clear it)
• Once the customs office has cleared him in France and all duties and taxes are discharged/paid up, he can drive into Paris and deliver the first shipment
• The same steps have to be repeated to clear the shipment in Belgium, and Germany respectively.
• For the record, our partners in France, Belgium and Germany are all different companies - meaning the truck has to be coordinated between 4 different freight companies, 3 consignees and the shipper, not to mention 3 different customs offices inside the EU
• If in Germany he wants to collect a shipment and take it to the UK, then our dutch agent has to create customs paperwork that we discharge in the uk
• the driver would still need to register on SI Brexit to leave
• This costs - fees, duties & taxes aren't cheap
• There are also a lot of admin functions that need to be prepared for - retaining customs records, additional billing, retrospective paperwork amendments, paperwork queries - its all time consuming and its all chargeable.

Summary: It is incredibly long winded, yet our customer is relatively well prepared - it already has an EU Registration and Identification number and knows how to create customs paperwork due to exporting all round the world. All it takes is the minority to not be prepared, and our driver will be stuck behind them in a long long queue.

A lot of companies don't even know how to ship Non-EU to EU/vice versa - they don't even have their EORI's yet, or know how to raise customs paperwork.

This will be countered by companies simply airfreighting goods, which is easier from a customs point of view. It is however expensive, and airfreight is reeling from COVID - hugely reduced capacity due to passenger cancellations has meant cargo is a huge premium. Even AKE's on medium haul routes are going for in excess of 2500 GBP - a few years ago, you could get them for 750 quid or less. Vaccine transportation means that temp control airfreight will compete with food, of which RKN environtainers are already like gold dust to find.

Although the above is predominately export focused, the two are linked. A queue one way will log jam the other, as drivers seldom do one way trips and come back with an empty load. EU hauliers are already refusing business to the UK fearing their trucks will get stuck in export queues.

TLDR: If the above is too longwinded to read, then it is indicative of the problem we face - there is no chance in hell UK business can go 0-60 and integrate these customs hurdles into their processes in a matter of days during the festive period.

Time to set up that hot-dog stand on the M20

Originally Posted by OhOh

But may eventually accept a Melton Mowbray pork pie receipt, as indicating a valid indicator of meeting the "economic link" requirement.

I was just wondering, does anyone have any idea wtf this guy is on about most of the time?

Klondick's English is just too poor to bother fathoming, but this guy seems genuinely out to lunch.

^ I gave up reading his posts ages ago...

Originally Posted by PAG

I remember this
Cod Wars - Wikipedia

You couldn't even deal with..............Iceland


Bravado

^ Defended waters against Iceland with 22 frigates and now only 13 in RN service.

Four gunboats against the EU fishing fleet...ha! ha!

Originally Posted by helge

ou couldn't even deal with..............Iceland