Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Troy

Apparently the UK will be leaving EASA at the end of the year and go back to CAA for all aircraft related approvals, pilot licences and etc. That's going to take a bit to get back to times of old.

From the article you linked to:

"ADS has estimated that it would take 10 years and cost up to £40m annually to create a UK safety authority with all the expertise of EASA, against a current contribution to the European agency of £1m to £4m a year."

This is not the only certifying or regulatory authority that UK is losing access to and of which they have to create their own instead of chipping in together with 27 other countries. Will create some UK jobs and a huge UK cost..

Continues:

"It claimed a new regulatory regime could put jobs in the sector at risk."We have been clear that continued participation in EASA is the best option to maintain the competitiveness of our £36bn aerospace industry and our access to global export markets," the trade body said.
It added that the UK's influence within EASA "contributes to raising standards in global aviation" and helped make the industry "attractive to the investment it needs".
British Airways owner IAG said it was "disappointed" with the decision and said the Civil Aviation Authority "does not have the expertise required to operate as a world class safety and technical regulator".
IAG said: "The CAA will require fundamental restructuring from top to bottom which will take time. There is no way that it can be done by 31 December."

Originally Posted by Troy

I hadn't realised before; the UK will also be leaving Euratom

They are leaving lots of agencies..

^ Thanks, I misread your post. Yes, I meant JAA/EASA as one transformed into the other but I still refer to some JAA standards (training). A lot of them are the same or similar to the FAA standards and the old CAA standards. However, times have changed and CAA will need to play catch-up for a while.

Originally Posted by Troy

I hadn't realised before; the UK will also be leaving Euratom, the European nuclear agency. Not sure of the full implications of this either but wondering how UK will manage future Uranium imports and nuclear waste.

I was under the impression the UK would negotiate into both of these institutions. Apparently not as that would allow freedom of movement in these industries....aren't they um specialist enough?

I think that's part of the EU negotiation emergencies for this year,

So is the club going to use CORVID19 as an excuse to try to extend?

This supposed desperation among the EU for the UK to remain in is still a figment of BREXITer’s imagination then?

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

So is the club going to use CORVID19 as an excuse to try to extend?

extension has been required since day 1, let's see if Boris use this as an excuse to extend

^^Nah they don't want us they'll be fine without, can't see anything they need us for, certainly not Galileo or the Typhoon replacement or pretty much any of those techie things. The UK will have to limp along with cheap alternatives, still at least we will be able to offer Govt subsidies for Tech. after all the EU projects have become more affordable now we've left.

Where's Sausages, has his spleen finally been vented, has he got tired of his own repetition or did he mis-read self immolate for self isolate.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

So is the club going to use CORVID19 as an excuse to try to extend?

Sigh..
It is the Brits who has decided to leave Dec 31 whatever the outcome from the future relationship negotiations will be.
Corvid19 is what BoJo can use as an excuse for ripping up the law about leaving Dec 31 when he realizes that it is impossible to get a deal in that time frame.
EU can not "try to extend" , it is up to the Brits to ask for an extension which I'm sure EU will agree to.

To make it short and understandable for you - the Brits have the extension ball so only they can play it.

Originally Posted by lom

Sigh..To make it short and understandable for you - the Brits have the extension ball so only they can play it.

Correct but negotiations are not just about rules already written, they are about leverage. The Club ain't happy with the short time frame.

the short time frame was a good idea and it seemed like a good thing, but unfortunately it's not achievable

kudo to Boris for trying to get things done ASAP,

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

The Club ain't happy with the short time frame.

No sensible person would be happy, given the mountain of issues to be sorted out.

But BJ's agenda is 'Get things done', so politics is for the moment trumping practicality in the party.

I think bojo knew the time frame was unrealistic before he nailed it down, believing that there are months to go during which he can manoeuvre to exploit the smallprint for an extension. In this respect CV would have been unforeseeable but convenient, and if not that then he'll find another half plausible excuse.

I still wouldn't buy a used car from him, or a sparkling new one at half price.

None of this is about achieving anything worthwhile, it is about saving face by a right wing faction which has contrived a socio-economic misstep that has no benefit. The EU is manfully trying to help Britain salvage some sanity from it, and as the negotiations settle down the Tory Orcs will concede and quietly agree a solution that minimises the disaster.
When nothing good comes Brexit, the profits fail to materialise, and more Brits become frustrated at not being able to work and live in Europe, then we'll see rising resentment and a growing realisation the whole thing was a fuckup.

COVID-19 is a wonderful x factor that adds misery to the increasing buyer's remorse Brits are currently manifesting.

It truly is amazing the number of them who still think they can live and work in Spain etc.

I think, in the first instance, it is to make obvious to the begrudgers, footdraggers, and those who would even sabotage the democratic vote- to Get Brexit Done. Boris is the ideal windbag for such a job.

Originally Posted by sabang

I think, in the first instance, it is to make obvious to the begrudgers, footdraggers, and those who would even sabotage the democratic vote- to Get Brexit Done.

Brexit took place 1 Feb 2020 and I don't think there is any remainer believing that it can be reversed or sabotaged now so no need to make the already obvious more obvious.

He's just inventing 'comments' he can 'respond' to.

Been doing it for weeks.

Pretty harmless, and if it keeps him happy...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I've lived and worked in 5 countries outside the UK/EU. This board, has a lot of members who live and/or work in Thailand.

If I want to go and live and work in Spain, anywhere else in the EU or most places in the world, I can.

Not without a work permit and unless you are wealthy with considerable disposable income you will not qualify for residence unless contracting a marriage with someone lawfully settled there. But, of course that was obvious to anyone with the meanest of intelligence which naturally excludes the lumpen Brexiteers who think they can still rock up and work in some bar or timeshare agency, or ........teaching English, and stay in their villas for five months for winter.

But, strangely enough, this isn't about you but the thousands of Brits now fucked.

but the thousands of Brits now fucked.

thats obviously your recurring wet dream, but i doubt any of the brits with residences and work there will be fucked. the dagos will put the economy first and workarounds will be found. just as they will be in the uk.

long game and all that.

we need you Brits to buy our cheap wines and crappy cheese, so we can keep the good ones for us

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Not without a work permit and unless you are wealthy with considerable disposable income you will not qualify for residence unless contracting a marriage with someone lawfully settled there. But, of course that was obvious to anyone with the meanest of intelligence which naturally excludes the lumpen Brexiteers who think they can still rock up and work in some bar or timeshare agency, or ........teaching English, and stay in their villas for five months for winter.

But, strangely enough, this isn't about you but the thousands of Brits now fucked.

I thought it was about you and your need for attention - hence why you spout endless inanity... (as opposed to Cyrille, who inanely sprouts endlessly)

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

we need you Brits to buy our cheap wines and crappy cheese, so we can keep the good ones for us

We can buy cheap and crap Australian/US wines, and we have great cheeses of our own, thank you.

Macron forced through the pension laws without a house vote yet??? That's going down well with the unions...
(&, your farmers are gonna have to give up huge amounts of subsidies; it's gonna start rockin and rollin around France...)