Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

and we have round 2

Brexit bill to rule out extension to transition period
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50818134

The government is to add a new clause to the Brexit bill to rule out any extension to the transition period beyond the end of next year.

The post-Brexit transition period - due to conclude in December 2020 - can currently be extended by mutual agreement for up to two years.

But an amended Withdrawal Agreement Bill the Commons is set to vote on this week would rule out any extension.

The PM told MPs it would put an end to three years of "deadlock and delay".

As the House of Commons assembled for the first time since the election, Boris Johnson said his priority was to "get Brexit done". He also promised to seek "common ground" and to approach politics with a "new and generous spirit" after the rancour of recent years.

Jeremy Corbyn congratulated the Conservative leader on his victory but said he would be "judged" on whether he delivered on the "many, many promises" he made during the campaign, including to longstanding Labour voters.

So, the government is going to pass a law to stop itself doing something that it had already promised not to do.

On the surface, that doesn't change much.

Because the decision on whether to extend the transition period lies with the prime minister anyway, not with Parliament.

And with his new majority, Mr Johnson knows his critics can't do anything to force his hand.

But as a statement of intent, this announcement is important.

By reaffirming Mr Johnson's guarantee that the transition period will not be extended, it suggests there will only be enough time to agree a pretty basic trade deal which would leave many important issues unresolved.

That means a quick 'zero tariffs zero quotas' deal on goods could be done, as long as the UK is prepared to sign up to the EU's main conditions.

They include the UK sticking with EU rules on environmental and social policy, and on state aid for companies.

Such an agreement wouldn't get rid of all border checks, though, and it wouldn't do anything for the services sector.

The PM could of course change his mind again - he's done that before.

But this is also a warning for businesses - they could be in for a bit of a bumpy ride at the end of next year.

So much for the bojo bounce, then.

The UK’s FTSE 100 is down 14 points, or 0.19% at 7,505.15 as the ‘Boris bounce’ fizzled out. Housebuilders and banks are among the biggest fallers, along with Unilever, which warned of weaker-than-expected sales growth today.

The pound has tumbled 1.3% to $1.3160 – back towards levels seen before Thursday’s general election. The government is preparing to pass legislation that could cause a cliff-edge Brexit at the end of next year.

Originally Posted by cyrille

So much for the bojo bounce, then.

That's well timed. I have to send some pounds back to Scotlandia to change into scottish groats.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

By reaffirming Mr Johnson's guarantee that the transition period will not be extended, it suggests there will only be enough time to agree a pretty basic trade deal which would leave many important issues unresolved.

That means a quick 'zero tariffs zero quotas' deal on goods could be done, as long as the UK is prepared to sign up to the EU's main conditions.

It means the EU is no longer in any position to table conditions, main or otherwise. If they continue to vacillate for the next 12 months, Johnson will inherit the default position. Not ideal, but surely better than being dictated to.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it's the follow up from the above BBC article, you frigging boring twat

Buttfly what Syb means is its not a Guardian article.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That's well timed.

Every time 'No Deal' rears its head, the pound tanks.

indeed, BoJo plan will backfire, it needs the extra time to accomodate a smooth transition, the WA is the political agreement, the rest will be negotiated by technicians and they need all the time they can get

giving extra pressure to finish everything fast is a sure sign to fuckup the final agreements,

it's like asking to build a new space rocket in 11 months instead of 24 months just to please management, not technical requirement

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Yeah, as Switch says/implies, Johnson is trying to get some control back from the absolute surrender of May's position since day 1.

It's somewhat unfortunate for you that the actual facts do not support your argument here, but like the Java Nut Juggler you have a history of not letting facts inconvenience you.

Johnson voted in favour of May's agreement which you term 'absolute surrender', and the main thing he has done with his modified version is sell Northern Ireland down the river by agreeing to a 'border' in the Irish Sea. This was why he was the toast of Brussels on his last visit.

The framework, spunkbubble, that's what I'm talking about. Just as your mate the Greek Marxist said, the entire framework was unworkable and should never have been agreed.

Now, clearly you've had some traumatic times in Java, but there are therapists that can help you: https://saudi.vezeeta.com/en/doctor/...y/saudi-arabia

I've taken the liberty of looking through for you, and reckon this lady will see you alright. Remember: U can!

Are you transgendering, Battyboob?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Are you transgendering, Battyboob?

I'm sorry I played with your mate, Cyrille - I promise not to do it again, but please don't use such extreme insults towards me...

How's Boris doing for you so far, Mr Sausage?

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it needs the extra time to accomodate a smooth transition

A hard Brexit will be fine. It's the EU that fears one.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

A hard Brexit will be fine. It's the EU that fears one.

You're right.

Over time, it's easy to buy into the framed discourse such as "cliff edge" and the endless media remoaner panic, but to go back to the start (and understand that so many areas have been worked out already: there's no such thing as a cliff edge/hard Brexit, that style of managed Brexit works for us just fine, perhaps better than any other sort. It's the EU who would struggle with that...

The problem is project fear plays on peoples adversity to short term issues and unfortunately the UK has through the last 20-30 years become satisfied with mediocrity and adverse to change and risk.

Its what people like the Gent for all his flowery prose existed on most of their lives and life imside the EU where unelected commitees make rules, regulations and laws up for you whilst your country is slowly but surely subsumed to the degree (as is their goal) it no longer is a country with is own autonymous thought and pride. Fuk the EU and all who sail in her, Gent you are welcome to it for what remains of your pathetic existence.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

So, the government is going to pass a law to stop itself doing something that it had already promised not to do.

On the surface, that doesn't change much.

Because the decision on whether to extend the transition period lies with the prime minister anyway, not with Parliament.

And with his new majority, Mr Johnson knows his critics can't do anything to force his hand.

But as a statement of intent, this announcement is important.

By reaffirming Mr Johnson's guarantee that the transition period will not be extended, it suggests there will only be enough time to agree a pretty basic trade deal which would leave many important issues unresolved.

That means a quick 'zero tariffs zero quotas' deal on goods could be done, as long as the UK is prepared to sign up to the EU's main conditions.

They include the UK sticking with EU rules on environmental and social policy, and on state aid for companies.

Such an agreement wouldn't get rid of all border checks, though, and it wouldn't do anything for the services sector.

The PM could of course change his mind again - he's done that before.

But this is also a warning for businesses - they could be in for a bit of a bumpy ride at the end of next year.

Anyone trust him not to embed some cleverly worded smallprint in the no-extension clause?
Turk stock, should be watched closely.

Nothing's changed, £ still in ICU, no way to renegotiate in a year leaving surrender, WTO, or that's right another 'legal' extension. Meanwhile, he's putting no-deal back on the table to present the EU with a cliff edge; it's a dangerous, high risk strategy that says he knows how to play poker when the cards are dealt fairly. The EU cannot take him for granted as they did May, or rely on him playing to their preferred rules.

Expect a volatile £ next year, esp with a long overdue market crash.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

...England is offering to buy in this transaction, the EU is the seller. If you can't pay the price, you don't get the goods.

So who will they sell it to? I know, they can pay Greece to buy the lot!

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Are you transgendering, Battyboob?

he had an overdose of coffee, I suspect too many Kazaar pods

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

A hard Brexit will be fine. It's the EU that fears one.

and you should be too, Brexit wanker, because it will be the end of the UK

The French still needs your military expertise at sea, so that's your only leverage

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and you should be too, Brexit wanker, because it will be the end of the UK

The French still needs your military expertise at sea, so that's your only leverage

555555 oh 5555555. Give it 20 years the EU HQ buildings will be just another of Belgiums terrorist ghettos. I'm going to love this.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

and you should be too, Brexit wanker, because it will be the end of the UK

The French still needs your military expertise at sea, so that's your only leverage

Says a no mark lowlife teenager of indeterminate origin. France needs logistics to look after their empire. So handy to have Brit friends in the UK MoD.
That nuclear carrier is a dogs breakfast now. How long ago was the last re-fit?

^ At least it has catapult and arrestor systems....

Who on earth builds a carrier without them?

Originally Posted by Troy

^ At least it has catapult and arrestor systems....

Who on earth builds a carrier without them?

let me guess, the British Navy

for our Brexit wanker friends

Brexit will harm UK more than EU, warns Ursula von der Leyen
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...-von-der-leyen

President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen has warned that forthcoming Brexit negotiations face another "cliff-edge situation".

Mrs von der Leyen said the timetable for talks - due to conclude by December 2020 - was "extremely challenging", adding: "This would clearly harm our interests, but it will impact more on the UK."