Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Strange how all the retainers have disappeared now the election is over. hahahahahahhahahahaha

The WA signed by BoJo and passed by parliament before the election is in fact the deal that was signed off in December 2018 albeit with NI now remaining within the EU trade compass. I have no idea why you are gibbering like a palsied simian, we remainers have not disappeared and nor are we converted to your imbecility.

Brexit is, was, and always shall be, for fools, the stupid, the deluded, the bigoted, the xenophobic and the aged entering their dementia.

The recent endorsement by the majority simply confirmed what we already knew, the English are not very bright, to put it charitably.

like buriram said, it's BINO

you guys will still remain over the next 2 years

Originally Posted by raycarey

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i can assure you that US corporate interests are salivating.

I wouldn't bet on it, the UK has strong traditions with certain things, and the integrity and independence of the NHS is one of them

Reachy has demonstrated his fiscal expertise lies in Oil so forgive him.

Brexit is, was, and always shall be, for fools, the stupid, the deluded, the bigoted, the xenophobic and the aged entering their dementia.

The recent endorsement by the majority simply confirmed what we already knew, the English are not very bright, to put it charitably.

aaaah, that must be why angela merkel said today that she fears that unless a satisfactory deal can be reached then she fears that britain will become the eu's strongest competitor.

Spend some time in the UK and you'll see fuk loads of mercs, audis and beemers none of them paid for all on the never never contracts driven by people who at the slightest hint of an economic downturn will see their pride and joy repo'd alongside their hutch. That is what Germany is affraid of. It popularised munich for the masses and like a clit every Lady Garden has one, they drive like peaches though... albanian one.

House prices to rise in Scotland, get your residency legalised while you can.

awesome news, conservatives showing their true colors, that is cowardice

and to think all this has been made possible by Theresa May incompetence

Will the BREXIT, assuming it happens, be a catalyst for countries like Italy and Greece with huge EU loans and possibly looking to do the same and exit the Union?

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Will the BREXIT, assuming it happens, be a catalyst for countries like Italy and Greece with huge EU loans and possibly looking to do the same and exit the Union?

Could be wrong but I don't think Greece or any of the PIIGS could seriously consider leaving; they may turn up with more (illegal) bailout demands and razor in hand, but they're too far up the EU ass to actually threaten more than a highly embarrassing default, and it serves the EU well to spoonfeed them until it can no longer avoid the buffers.

Meanwhile, by hook or more likely crook the EU has to demonstrate to potential secessionists that they are better off in than out, and the current deal gives them ample scope for that.

The GE has changed little beyond allowing bojo to push through May's surrender treaty v2, though he can claim it was not unconditional because he could choose the wallpaper.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Will the BREXIT, assuming it happens, be a catalyst for countries like Italy and Greece with huge EU loans and possibly looking to do the same and exit the Union?

David, before you enter into the debate, would you please take your head out of your arse.

this is why boris johnson, if he can stick to his plans, not piss off too many colleagues or be distracted into stupidity, he will save britain from being subsumed into the approaching dystopian euro failure. but those who think of him as far right just dont get it. ( as mayor of london he was extremely liberal)

all hail the boris, he has saved the uk from turning into a cold grey horror of a big state socialist gulag overseen by humourless committees controlling street level revolutionaries and mealy mouthed trade union enforcers making sure the populace adhere to the precepts of the latest proscribed dogma to emanate from westminster. the country would have become a pastiche of 1950's eastern europe within 2 years.

but we have been saved from all that.

It is this aspect of Boris’s politics that some of his close allies insist has been misunderstood. He has done what no other conservative leader in the West has done: He has co-opted and thereby neutered the far right.

The reactionary Brexit Party has all but collapsed since Boris took over. Anti-immigration fervor has calmed. The Tories have also moved back to the economic and social center under Johnson’s leadership. And there is a strategy to this. What Cummings and Johnson believe is that the E.U., far from being an engine for liberal progress, has, through its overreach and hubris, actually become a major cause of the rise of the far right across the Continent. By forcing many very different countries into one increasingly powerful Eurocratic rubric, the E.U. has spawned a nationalist reaction.

From Germany and France to Hungary and Poland, the hardest right is gaining. Getting out of the E.U. is, Johnson and Cummings argue, a way to counter and disarm this nationalism and to transform it into a more benign patriotism. Only the Johnson Tories have grasped this, and the Johnson strategy is one every other major democracy should examine.

Consider, by contrast, Germany, where the center right is reeling and the extreme-right AfD has 91 seats in the Bundestag. Or, for that matter, France, where the mainstream right has collapsed and Marine Le Pen won 34 percent in the last presidential election. Compare it with the U.S., where the GOP has been overthrown by a far-right insurgency and turned into a disturbingly fascistic personality cult. Or Hungary and Poland, where reactionaries control the entire system. The Tories under Boris, helped in part by the winner-takes-all electoral system, have kept the far right at bay, now favor tax cuts for the poor, have a strong program for climate change, and have proposed an Australian-style immigration policy to defuse native panic.

They are not socially conservative in the American sense. And all of this has been made possible by Boris Johnson’s shameless ability to shift and reinvent his politics, betray his allies, lie to the public, and advance his own career. One of those close to him told me that the next group he will betray is the ERG, the hard-right Tory Brexiteers. And if he wins this election by a solid margin and seizes the center, he may force the Labour Party to reexamine how far left it has traveled in the past few years.

What Boris is offering as an alternative is a Tory social democracy rooted in national pride and delivered with a spoonful of humor and entertainment. In some ways, his personality is part of the formula. His plummy voice and silly hair and constant jokes are deeply, even reassuringly, British even as demographic change has made Britishness seem fragile. And if you still believe in the nation-state, in liberal democracy, and have qualms about the unintended consequences of neoliberal economics, it’s about as decent a conservative political blend as is on offer in the West. It makes the GOP look deranged by contrast.

Yes, Boris has shifted and lied and betrayed on his path to this moment. But he will gladly point out that the same criticisms were made of Churchill, who switched parties, alienated almost everyone in the Establishment, and was regarded long into the 1930s as a crank and a joke with a funny way of speaking. But Churchill was right about the one thing that mattered, and Johnson not so subtly implies the same is true about him and Brexit. It takes a large ego to use Churchill as an analogy, and Brexit is hardly the Battle of Britain (and Churchill famously wanted a united Europe after the war).

But in defense of Britain’s independence from foreign power and its unbroken national sovereignty, without foreign invasion, for a thousand years, you can see, or rather feel, the parallel. And when it comes to chances for political analogies, Boris the opportunist will take what he can get.

*This article appears in the December 9, 2019, issue of New York Magazine. Subscribe Now!

The Blundering Brilliance of Prime Minister Boris Johnson

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The WA signed by BoJo and passed by parliament before the election is in fact the deal that was signed off in December 2018 albeit with NI now remaining within the EU trade compass. I have no idea why you are gibbering like a palsied simian, we remainers have not disappeared and nor are we converted to your imbecility.

Brexit is, was, and always shall be, for fools, the stupid, the deluded, the bigoted, the xenophobic and the aged entering their dementia.

The recent endorsement by the majority simply confirmed what we already knew, the English are not very bright, to put it charitably.

You stopped listening to anything but the sound of your own, whiney voice. Just stfu and go away. Idiot. You lost.

nobody lost, the EU wins

finally getting rid of silly wankers

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

nobody lost, the EU wins

finally getting rid of silly wankers

Your lack of vision prevents you from seeing the impending disaster that is the EU. It got too big for its boots and it will now fail. The main net contributors want someone else to pay for their mistakes. Sad to say, the UK has left, just as your minor nations are struggling with debt, corruption and plummeting unemployment.
Seeking ass lost and so did you.
Suck it up big time buttercup.

So you still support Momentum is what that above was all about Sausages?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Changed their tune, tone and words...



Fukin hilarious... Lying scumbags are now petrified and starting to grovel - just as we knew they would as soon as our remoaners stopped working on their behalf...

Tell them to fuk off, Boris - we don't want a deal with them, don't give them a dime, watch the EU implode which will turn these scumbags to dust and support the majority of EU citizens who are constantly abused by this inane ideological project.

Gosh, you are bitter. Is that why you are scraping a living in that dreadful dystopian Asian treadmill?

^^Momentum was a construct of Corbynism and always peripheral to the main Brexit issue.

I have no idea why you continue to talk through your arse in labelling me a Corbyn devotee, he was a sclerotic neo-Marxist whose lacklustre and disingenuous support for the Remain in Europe lobby ensured that the several million lower class northern Labour twats voted to leave.

I am essentially a Blairite Labour supporter who appreciated the Ken Clarke/Grieve/Hammond/Gauke Tory axis but despised what May did during her tenure as Home Secretary.

You of course are a mere oaf whose ability to compute is limited by the number of your digits.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I have no idea why you continue to talk through your arse in labelling me a Corbyn devotee

He's spent the last four days semi-permanently on here and completely pissed, sa.

Don't bother.

It seems that the more simple-minded folk on here ache for a poster who actually ever rated Corbyn, and since there isn't one then he must be invented.

Syb chimes in with eaux de irony. I've been too busy with jobs to do the beer proper justice. I seem to recall its you who spent your 10 weeks getting wankered morning, noon and night on the deck becoming increasingly belligerent. Nice to see you taking a leaf out of LDs book and dry humping Sausages leg.