Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

there is obviously a clash of culture and understanding between little England and the rest of the civilized World,

hence why the UK doesn't belong to EU, and why DeGaulles vetoed for so long for them to join

Brexit is a new beginning, unfortunately it's too late to happen, and Doris deal seems to be the only bad compromise on the table

between little England and the rest of the civilized World,

you french, with your short memories, your pomposity, your garlic breath and your failed colonial ambitions, (you got kicked out of every country you invaded thanks to your brutality and greed) seem to have forgotten that it was england that civilised the fucking world.

For fuck's sake Tax, did you ever think it was right and decent that 3 million folk who had made the UK their home, laid down roots, raised families and paid taxes for over a decade or more should have been made to apply for some fucking nazi registration system or risk deportation and exclusion?

of course not. that's politicians playing games, making threats and frightening people........

many enjoyed the expertise and bureaucratic sophistication of its civil servants over the years.

oh ffs, pass the sick bag. its the anti brexit civil servants who just love influencing public opinion and making sensationalist headlines by enforcing this kind of shit when tolerance and flexibility is called for.

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A field guide to Whitehall’s mandarins

Steerpike



Steerpike

26 August 2019

11:10 AM

Britain’s civil service is supposed to be the envy of the world, seamlessly executing the will of whichever government happens to occupy the offices of state. But Mr S wonders whether the reality can be rather different. Disgruntled civil servants have toppled more than one over-mighty minister. Others have admitted actively trying to undermine government policy when it comes to Brexit.

Much like different nations, Whitehall’s various departments – and the people who inhabit them – have their own eccentricities and foibles. So to help readers out, Mr S has put together a guide for the avid Whitehall twitcher, making it easy to spot the difference between the lesser-crested FCO adviser from the bold-headed DFID PermSec:

Treasury:

Economics graduate, preferably Oxbridge. Considered a job with one of the Big Four but found the proximity to power more alluring. Fully aware that a brief stint at the Treasury doesn’t look too bad on the CV. In a cruel twist of fortune, no-deal planning is now taking up most of their time. A subtle hint of superiority, conscious of the fact that all other departments rely on Her Majesty’s money men.
Invariably wears intellectual-esque specs. Paper of choice: Financial Times.

Department for International Development:

Probably considered themselves a bit of a hippy back at university. Read anthropology or some other wishy-washy humanities degree; dabbled in Foucault. Now doing God’s work but planning a move to the third sector, preferably an international NGO. Religiously carries around a reusable coffee cup. Paper of choice: the Guardian.



Department for Exiting the European Union:

DExEU was supposed to be the Civil Service’s equivalent of a sexy start-up, cannibalising all the most interesting parts of other government departments to supercharge the nation for a potential no deal. Its creation is now widely seen as an error across most of Whitehall. All the high-level decision making has been taken over by the Daily Operations Committee, an organisation whose nickname, XO, is perhaps even cooler than DExEU. Newspaper of choice: Daily Express (only joking).


David Davis’ time at the top at DexEU was far from memorable

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs:

Tweed-clad Royal Ag College grads. Brimming with plans to replace the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy. They’ll know at least two people with a Land Rover Series I. Holidays in the Cotswolds or goes fly-fishing on the Spey. Magazine of choice: Farmers Weekly.

Foreign and Commonwealth Office:


Studied international relations and/or languages at university. Has a biography of Bismarck at home. Angling for a cushy embassy job, preferably somewhere tropical and politically stable. Either that or a phone call from MI6. Magazine of choice: the Economist.

Department for International Trade:

Stuffed full of ex-Treasury officials who jumped ship soon after Brexit hoping to enjoy the jet-setting trade envoy lifestyle. Needless to say, the Fiji trade deal wasn’t quite what they were hoping for. Newspaper of choice: using the Treasury’s old FT log-in.

which one were you?

Originally Posted by taxexile

you french, with your short memories, your pomposity, your garlic breath and your failed colonial ambitions, (you got kicked out of every country you invaded thanks to your brutality and greed) seem to have forgotten that it was england that civilised the fucking world.

when you say civilized the fucking world, you mean enslaving it, right?

while we 'educated' your first colony, America, with our ideas of freedom and humanity

another boring week to come, nothing has changed

Brexit: Boris Johnson updates cabinet on deal talks
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50032500

Boris Johnson is updating the cabinet, as UK and EU officials hold talks on getting a deal done in time for the 31 October Brexit deadline.

Commons Leader Jacob Rees-Mogg said "compromise" was inevitable and the PM could be "trusted" to get an agreement acceptable to Leave-backing MPs.

Parliament will meet on Saturday and vote on any deal achieved by Mr Johnson at a Brussels summit this week.

Labour said it would "wait and see", but would oppose anything "damaging".

Shadow business secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show: "We don't think the Tories have moved too far on on their deal."

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon told the same programme: "We will not vote for the kind of deal specified by Boris Johnson."

One good thing that's possibly come from brexit is my new passport. The ones from January will be the blue ones, which means the red one with no EU printed will be like a limited edition. It could be a collector's item in 20 years or so.

My old one wasn't returned. Anyone know if this is new policy? I have all my other old ones.

Tax, you silly old fogey, Steerpike is a collective of second rate Etonian bumboys at the Spectator led by that old queen, Charles " i licked Thatcher's anus" Moore who is BoJo's ball sack holder at the Telegraph. Looks like they let the teaboy have a go at lampooning but the poor sap clearly has never been near a civil service department in his life.

Cartoon people with cartoon minds. Which one are you Tax?

do not expect to much from Boris latest lies,

'Brexit: 'Big gap' remains in UK-EU deal discussions
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50035156

The UK is willing to make concessions to its plans for the Northern Ireland border after Brexit but "a big gap" remains over customs arrangements, EU ambassadors have been told.

In a briefing on UK-EU weekend talks on a Brexit deal, EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier said UK plans on the tracking of goods were unacceptable.

Earlier, Boris Johnson told his cabinet "significant work" was still needed.

It comes as his government's agenda is to be set out in the Queen's Speech.

Plans for life after Brexit, crime prevention and ending rail franchises are all expected to be outlined in the Queen's address on Monday, which opens the new session of Parliament.

Meanwhile, the UK and EU negotiating teams are due to meet again in Brussels today, as efforts continue to reach a deal before a summit on Thursday and Friday.

The government says that, if it can strike an agreement at the summit, it will introduce a withdrawal agreement bill to be voted on next Saturday in a special Parliamentary session.

It is seen as the last chance to do this before Brexit is due to happen at 23:00 GMT on 31 October.

Why does this fat albino sack of shit present it as as if next Saturday is the last opportunity to decide the issue when it palpably is not. If there is no substantive deal to put to parliament by the 19th then he simply seeks an extension which the EU have already signalled they will grant and there will then be either more substantive negotiations with the UVF terrorists and DUP, or we have an election and/or a second referendum. This reduction of the process to "th last chance" is typical puerile BoJo/ERG drivel.

Originally Posted by taxexile

it is all the (insert your nation here) cares about. seizing more and more control over their citizens

Hardly exclusively a EU gov agenda.

A reasonable analysis of the latest "deal":

Two propagandists for the Putin anti-EU commie regime, one a struck off fraudster British lawyer, spunking their puerile drivel to each other like two frotting tossers in a public toilet, are your font of knowledge, Battyboob?

No wonder you are away with the pixies.

possibly a breakthrough for a deal?

Brexit: Narrow path to deal at EU summit, says Barnier
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50044873

There is a "narrow path" to a Brexit deal this week, but the two sides have to agree the details by the end of Tuesday, the EU's negotiator has said.

Michel Barnier said it was "time to turn good intentions into legal text" if EU leaders were to back the terms of the UK's exit at a summit on Thursday.

As talks intensify, Boris Johnson has spoken to France's Emmanuel Macron.

The BBC understands the two men agreed there was "positive momentum" but there were "many hurdles" left to overcome.

Our political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, said she understood the two leaders had agreed on the need to avoid any further delays if possible.

The PM has repeatedly said the UK will leave the EU on the 31 October deadline, but he is compelled, by law, to request an extension if no deal is in place by the end of Saturday.

After updating EU ministers, Mr Barnier signalled that he expected the UK to share the legal text of any changes to the withdrawal agreement - previously rejected three times by MPs - within hours.

This is designed to give enough time for European capitals to study the precise wording ahead of the two-day summit of EU leaders starting on Thursday.

He said there was a "narrow path" to be trod between the EU's objective of protecting the single market and Mr Johnson's goal of keeping Northern Ireland in the UK's customs territory.

While there had been progress in strengthening the role of Northern Ireland's political institutions in agreeing new regulatory arrangements, Mr Barnier said there was still a big disagreement about the inclusion of so-called "level playing field" provisions in the political declaration sketching out the two sides' future trade relationship.

It's nearly the end, so the EU are probably interested in a deal now...

They are ‘probably interested’ because BJ’s big idea is to cave in on the question of a border in the Irish Sea.

Water is a damn fine border.

Where's the part of the deal about the channel tunnel getting filled in ?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

It's nearly the end, so the EU are probably interested in a deal now...

Takes two to tango..

Repatriate all the Celtic fans to Ireland and the Prodies to Scotland.

Problem solved apart from they'll have no one to fight with.

So, it took three years to get to the point reached three years ago?? The DUP will have to accept the reality that if the ERG Tories are to have their Brexit then they will have to concede NI remains a de facto member of the EU's economic bloc. The only alternative if it is rejected by the DUP is for BoJo to threaten a referendum in NI which will no doubt result in a landslide victory for the Remain camp. The DUP know this and would simply boycott the referendum and exhort their electorate to embark on a return to a civil disobedience campaign. Welcome back, NI politics.......Brexit always was Ebola.

The DUP are a squalid, medieval sectarian minority whose support extends to a mere 292,000, although sufficient to give them a slim majority in the 2017 General Election.

In the end, even the mightiest walk with a limp if they have a stone in the shoe.

It is oxymoronic, but their intransigence and embedded bigotry and prejudice are the greatest allies to the Remain camp in the UK given that the return of any violence in NI will poison Brexit terminally - no economic deals with the US will be possible if the NI nationalists are threatened and the EU will almost certainly treat the UK worse than Syria.

Fucking bizarre that only four years ago the UK was riding high in exiting the 2008 crash, with both the IMF and OECD lauding it for its management of the economy, the £ was over $1.50, 1.43 Euro and 54 baht.

Brexiteers are truly a contagion and the ERG Tory party is its vector.

Three wasted years, billions lost and the country is teetering on recession, and all because a bunch of losers conned 17.4 million credulous idiots.

apparently a deal is imminent, Boris has conceded to everything, even Barnier was impressed, was on the news last night

but again with 2 face Brits, you can expect a last minute surprise

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Boris has conceded to everything

He voted 'yes' to May's deal, so no surprise there.

Just a load of utter BREXIter bullshit inbetween that and now.

The whole calculation being simply that if the thing can drag on sufficiently then the sole comparison point with this deal is no deal.

The comparison point should be remaining in the EU, and that beats May's deal hands-down.

not clear if deal is really imminent, they are trying to play it down so as not to upset the Brexiteers

Brexit: Talks enter last day before crunch EU summit
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50063022

EU and UK officials will resume Brexit talks this morning in the hope of reaching a deal that can be agreed by leaders at a key summit on Thursday.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to update the cabinet on the progress of the negotiations, which continued through the night.

On Tuesday there were reports a deal was imminent, amid claims the UK had made concessions over the Irish border.

But Downing Street said there was "more work still to do".

After talks ended on Tuesday, No 10 said the discussions had been "constructive" and progress was being made.

The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, will update the bloc on the state of the negotiations later when he briefs EU commissioners and ambassadors.

Mr Johnson is facing a race against the clock to reach a new Brexit deal before the two-day gathering of EU leaders.

Any deal will need to be published - along with a legal text - if the EU27 are to consider ratifying the withdrawal agreement at their summit.

That meeting is crucial because under legislation passed last month - the Benn Act - Mr Johnson is compelled to ask the bloc for a delay to Brexit if he does not get a new deal approved by MPs by Saturday.

The UK is due to leave the EU at 23:00 GMT on 31 October and the prime minister has repeatedly insisted he will not request a delay.

I'm worried that the BBC remoaners have been positive - must be a terrible deal...