Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Brexit: What does the UK think of all this drama?
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-polit...all-this-drama

If the extension goes ahead the we still have thr unacceptable backstop position to resolve.

Must watch

Protests as Parliament is suspended
The prorogation of the Commons saw unprecedented scenes with some MPs holding signs saying "silenced" while shouting: "Shame on you."
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-polit...all-this-drama

Corbyn has no spine like his mate has no sense of humour.

^ yes, Corbyn gave up his values on this issue a long time ago; allowing the Blairites to piss all over the Labour voters.

Basically, the Blairites have decided to take over the party, use Corbyn as much as they are able (and he is playing along like abheeesit and the junta...) then turn it back into a right of centre platform for the globalists.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Must watch

Protests as Parliament is suspended
The prorogation of the Commons saw unprecedented scenes with some MPs holding signs saying "silenced" while shouting: "Shame on you."
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-polit...all-this-drama

Are these the same MPs who have silenced the people's voice/referendum vote and bought shame upon themselves???

What is clear is that apart from the EU problem, we also have a constitutional problem that needs resolving; half our MPs would rather work for EU interests than our own parliament's.

Originally Posted by Warwick

They may go for longer. The rationale would be to ensure that within that time frame Corbyn is replaced by Starmer, Boris by Hammond and the UK electorate so thoroughly bored that the threat of the Brexit Party winning any significant number of seats is nullified.

Fair assessment, and while boundaries also come into play to favour the ruling party there will also be many leavers that finally realise those of our 'friends' that are not cnuts were scammed into being controlled by cnuts.

anyway, Brexit is not happening on Oct 31

where is Chass in his morning shit?

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

If the extension goes ahead the we still have thr unacceptable backstop position to resolve.

The backstop is a comfortable condition to many Remoaners as it keeps us attached to the EU, stranded and compromised, making it more attractive for a future weak electorate to take us back in.

Worst case scenario with the backstop is timing, that we capitulate and return just before it goes pop. And for clarity, does anyone on this thread honestly believe the EU will not begin to visibly dissolve within 5-10 years?

Originally Posted by jabir

The backstop is a comfortable condition to many Remoaners as it keeps us attached to the EU, stranded and compromised, making it more attractive for a future weak electorate to take us back in.

Worst case scenario with the backstop is timing, that we capitulate and return just before it goes pop. And for clarity, does anyone on this thread honestly believe the EU will not begin to visibly dissolve within 5-10 years?

QED

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ yes, Corbyn gave up his values on this issue a long time ago; allowing the Blairites to piss all over the Labour voters.

Basically, the Blairites have decided to take over the party, use Corbyn as much as they are able (and he is playing along like abheeesit and the junta...) then turn it back into a right of centre platform for the globalists.



Are these the same MPs who have silenced the people's voice/referendum vote and bought shame upon themselves???

What is clear is that apart from the EU problem, we also have a constitutional problem that needs resolving; half our MPs would rather work for EU interests than our own parliament's.

Brits can be bought cheap, and it wouldn't surprise me if the EU have a bunch of UK MPs on the payroll. While it's a powerful and well organised group, the direction it has taken could only be secured by pwning leaders through corruption and coercion.

nobody cares about the backstop, it's not the issue. It's only an issue for those who want hard Brexit or Revoke

Originally Posted by jabir

Brits can be bought cheap, and it wouldn't surprise me if the EU have a bunch of UK MPs on the payroll. While it's a powerful and well organised group, the direction it has taken could only be secured by pwning leaders through corruption and coercion.

more QED

it's all a big EU conspiracy

Originally Posted by jabir

The backstop is a comfortable condition to many Remoaners as it keeps us attached to the EU, stranded and compromised, making it more attractive for a future weak electorate to take us back in.

It is quite possible that if UK did leave with the current deal and the back-stop was (inevitably in my opinion) triggered, then further down the road if the UK requested re-admittance, there is no guarantee that the EU would permit this. And why should they, the UK would then be in the position of a colony of the EU, unable to leave without the EU's express permission, subject to all its rules, with no seats in the EU parliament and paying for the privilege of being so.

Related

The BBC doing another pro-Soros propaganda piece; is this what the British taxpayer pay for???

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-49584157

Title: Why is billionaire George Soros a bogeyman for the hard right?

Last Paragraph:

Prof Deborah Lipstadt, who won a famous legal battle to expose a Holocaust denier in the British courts, is deeply uneasy too.
"It terrifies me that this kind of rhetoric, which used to be heard in beer halls and dark corners, is being spoken by politicians, by leaders of countries, the deputy prime minister of Italy, the prime minister of Hungary. That this kind of language is being used is shocking."

The BBC is a total disgrace, a Neo-Liberal propaganda tool...

Originally Posted by Warwick

It is quite possible that if UK did leave with the current deal and the back-stop was (inevitably in my opinion) triggered, then further down the road if the UK requested re-admittance, there is no guarantee that the EU would permit this. And why should they, the UK would then be in the position of a colony of the EU, unable to leave without the EU's express permission, subject to all its rules, with no seats in the EU parliament and paying for the privilege of being so.

All true, and guess what, some MPs actually voted for that!

Originally Posted by Warwick

It is quite possible that if UK did leave with the current deal and the back-stop was (inevitably in my opinion) triggered, then further down the road if the UK requested re-admittance, there is no guarantee that the EU would permit this. And why should they, the UK would then be in the position of a colony of the EU, unable to leave without the EU's express permission, subject to all its rules, with no seats in the EU parliament and paying for the privilege of being so.

Has it occurred to any of you that these were factors that some/many who voted remain foresaw? If not always so specifically, then at least 'Remaining in is better than all achievable alternatives'

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

If the extension goes ahead the we still have thr unacceptable backstop position to resolve.

The border will be moved to the Irish Sea and to satisfy Boris & Co it will be called stopback

^^
Couldn't return anyway, squirrel, though the ecj ruled that A50 could be revoked with no penalty it doesn't mean that's the case and if we revoke we continue as was.

While we have the right to revoke with or without Ref2, the EU need to reinforce its message to other potential escapees by insisting on punitive demands which would invariably include the £. And who in their right mind aside from a handful of TD jokers would advocate joining a currency that's on the brink of disaster?

Originally Posted by jabir

^^
Couldn't return anyway, squirrel, though the ecj ruled that A50 could be revoked with no penalty it doesn't mean that's the case and if we revoke we continue as was.

While we have the right to revoke with or without Ref2, the EU need to reinforce its message to other potential escapees by insisting on punitive demands which would invariably include the £. And who in their right mind aside from a handful of TD jokers would advocate joining a currency that's on the brink of disaster?

Your post is based solely on supposition. You do this a lot.

Flabbir.



And you think the future of the Euro is worse than the future and current state of the pound?

Originally Posted by cyrille

Has it occurred to any of you that these were factors that some/many who voted remain foresaw? If not always so specifically, then at least 'Remaining in is better than all achievable alternatives'

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Related

The BBC doing another pro-Soros propaganda piece; is this what the British taxpayer pay for???

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-49584157

Title: Why is billionaire George Soros a bogeyman for the hard right?

Last Paragraph:

Prof Deborah Lipstadt, who won a famous legal battle to expose a Holocaust denier in the British courts, is deeply uneasy too.
"It terrifies me that this kind of rhetoric, which used to be heard in beer halls and dark corners, is being spoken by politicians, by leaders of countries, the deputy prime minister of Italy, the prime minister of Hungary. That this kind of language is being used is shocking."

The BBC is a total disgrace, a Neo-Liberal propaganda tool...

I don't know, I think the BBC is making a valid point, and you do fit perfectly the definition of a right wing loon with your conspiracy allegations

hence the BBC has successfully QED you,

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

is that Boris surrendering to the EU and calling for a revoke?

and to bring another layer of mindfucking, we have now this

Brexit: Scottish judges rule Parliament suspension is unlawful
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-49661855

Boris Johnson’s suspension of the UK Parliament is unlawful, Scotland’s highest civil court has ruled.

A panel of three judges at the Court of Session found in favour of a cross-party group of politicians who were challenging the prime minister's move.

The judges said the PM was attempting to prevent Parliament holding the government to account ahead of Brexit.

The UK government said it will appeal against the ruling to the Supreme Court in London.

The Court of Session decision overturns an earlier ruling from the court, which said last week that Mr Johnson had not broken the law.

But it is currently unclear what impact the judgement will have on the current suspension of Parliament - a process known as proroguing - which started in the early hours of Tuesday.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I think the BBC is making a valid point, and you do fit perfectly the definition of a right wing loon with your conspiracy allegations

And like Jabir's comments regarding the EU, betty's response is mere 'article of BREXITer faith' than an opinion that he even attempts to justify. This thread is littered with them.