Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

May has achieved nothing other than ruining the Conservative party - and she still just keeps on going; she's fukin nuts...

This will be a very testing month for the EU all across Europe.

Is this woman dumb and deluded beyond comprehension believing she is delivering what the people voted for, and just plain screwed up by handing over everything for nothing at the start of negotiations, or is she smarter than credited with a plan all along to scupper Brexit in return for earthly benefits?

I go for wilful sabotage.

The Brexit Party is set to get more votes than the Conservatives and Labour combined in the European Parliament elections, according to a new poll. Nigel Farage’s party has doubled its support in the last fortnight – now in first place – and is now on track to get 34 per cent of the votes in this month’s elections.

The latest Opinium poll shows Labour come in second place with 21 per cent of votes, falling seven points in the last two weeks, while the Tories lag behind in fourth place with 11 per cent. The Lib Dems are in third position with 12 per cent, having risen five points.



https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/11/brexi...-poll-9500438/

Nigel Farage’s Brexit party is on course to secure more support at the European elections than the Tories and Labour combined, according to the latest Opinium poll for the Observer.

In the most striking sign to date of surging support for Farage, the poll suggests more than a third of voters will back him on 23 May. It puts his party on 34% of the vote, with less than a fortnight before the election takes place.



With the Brexit party securing more than three times the level of support for the Tories, the poll confirms the concerns of senior Conservatives that it is haemorrhaging support as Brexit remains unresolved. Just a fortnight ago, the Brexit party was neck-and-neck with Labour on 28%. Now it has a 13-point lead over Jeremy Corbyn’s party.

The Conservatives are now only narrowly ahead of the Brexit party when voters are asked who they would vote for at a general election. The Tories are on 22% support, down 4% on a fortnight ago, with the Brexit party on 21% backing. Labour leads on 28%, but is down five points on the last poll.

Leave voters seem to be flocking to the Brexit party. A fortnight ago, it was joint first with the Conservatives among leave voters in terms of general election voting, with both on 33%. It now appears to be the clearer choice of leave voters, with 40% saying they will vote for the Brexit party and 27% backing the Conservatives.

May is also close to losing her lead over Corbyn as to who voters regard as the best prime minister. Her lead has dropped from four points to just one point.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-combined-poll

Having never fought an election before and the party only been in existence a few months even if they only ended up with 10-15% of the vote it would be a massive achievement but to get over 30% if the polls are correct is staggering especially when you compare it to the CUKs who formed at about the same time and are polling even lower than UKIP.

The Brexit party also have a realistic chance of taking the Peterborough by election. We shall see.

that should send a clear message to that silly Merkel witch, the Brits confirm their choice of exit, and you can't stop them

but BB makes a valid point, it's 33% Hard Brexit, 33% Soft Brexit, and 33% Remains so at the end no clear direction

country is clearly divided, and will never recover from that cleavage no matter the results

only 1 solution: the Queen makes the final decision

Brexit: Gavin Williamson attacks Theresa May's talks with Labour
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48241606

Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit talks with the Labour Party are a "grave mistake", according to former defence secretary Gavin Williamson.

Mrs May is hoping to reach a cross-party consensus on her withdrawal agreement after failing to get it through Parliament three times.

But Mr Williamson - sacked over the Huawei leak - told the Mail on Sunday the talks were "destined to fail".

He added Jeremy Corbyn's only real interest was a general election.

BBC political correspondent Jonathan Blake said a Downing Street source had indicated Mr Williamson had been "supportive of the process while he was in the cabinet" and that he had "not been involved in the talks himself".

The Conservative MP for South Staffordshire said doing a deal with Labour on Brexit "sounds so simple and so reasonable" - but would not work.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

only 1 solution: the Queen makes the final decision

Tories should drop to a single digit, that might shake them up, a bit!

Farage calls for private health firms to 'relieve burden on NHS'

He really is a visionary, isn't he.

Originally Posted by cyrille

He really is a visionary, isn't he.

What's your view on how to reform the NHS then which everyone agrees needs radical reform as you clearly don't agree with Farages? Or as per usual you have no counter argument or original thought on any topic or subject.

State: Taxpayer's money = quality of public service to Taxpayer

Private: Taxpayer's money - profit = quality of public service to Taxpayer

Originally Posted by foobar

State: Taxpayer's money = quality of public service to Taxpayer

Private: Taxpayer's money - profit = quality of public service to Taxpayer

If labour hadn't started with the PFI's to fill the coffers which are now costing the taxpayer a fortune the already obscene amount of money thrown at the NHS each year would be more than sufficient. Go have a Google on how many billions the NHS wastes every year, the figure is staggering.

As I said everyone agrees it need radical reform but the main problem is Labour weaponize the NHS at every election so any cross party discussion which is needed becomes impossible and on it goes on in its unsustainable present form.

This is a Brexit thread but - in 2015 the NHS was the 5th largest employer in the world. Given the rather poor level of service, does that not argue that it is just a teensy bit inefficient?

Originally Posted by buriramboy

If labour hadn't started with the PFI's to fill the coffers which are now costing the taxpayer a fortune the already obscene amount of money thrown at the NHS each year would be more than sufficient. Go have a Google on how many billions the NHS wastes every year, the figure is staggering.

As I said everyone agrees it need radical reform but the main problem is Labour weaponize the NHS at every election so any cross party discussion which is needed becomes impossible and on it goes on in its unsustainable present form.

Sounds like youre agreeing that private companies getting involved with the nhs is a bad idea.

Originally Posted by foobar

Sounds like youre agreeing that private companies getting involved with the nhs is a bad idea.

Depends how it's done, the PFI's signed under Labour were certainly a costly mistake.

No matter how its done, it means profit being extracted so it will always effect the quality of service due to the fundamental laws of arithmetic.

Public services can be reformed and made more efficient by government ...it's a myth and a scam that only the private sector can successfully make these changes, in reality the opposite is true because once profit is extracted from the taxpayer then there is obviously less to spend on the actual service.


I see the current Tory project to upgrade the communications system for the emergency services is coming in at an eye watering £10bn and not even as reliable as the old system.

Wastage needs to brought under control, their procurement policies are shocking. Private sector input in these areas could save billions.

The private sector already makes a fortune from the NHS, agencies being a prime example and the rates they charge for supplying staff.

The public sector cant run shit hence Thatchers privatisation policy was a such a huge success.

Privatisation has hit the buffers since then though.

Prisons and Trains - both a mess.

As with a lot of Thatcherites, your rose-tinted spectacles went out of style a long time ago and no longer provide accurate viewing.

Rail privatisation hasn’t worked. It’s time to reverse it

https://www.citymetric.com/transport...everse-it-3613

And the prisons sound a bit like Crewe...

Peter Clarke is not one to mince his words. The chief inspector of prisons for England and Wales has released a string of reports into the shocking state of the correctional services. Each one has highlighted deteriorating conditions, rising violence, drug abuse, suicides and overcrowding. His latest report following an unannounced inspection at the main prison in Birmingham does not buck the trend.


Mr Clarke found “a state of crisis remarkable even by the low standards . . . in recent years”. Wardens at the prison, contracted out to the private security group G4S, were in “tenuous control”. Staff vehicles were torched in an arson attack during the inspection. Rats and cockroaches were everywhere, with windows broken and violence as intimidating as in any UK jail. Drug use was so widespread that the chief inspector inadvertently got high from breathing in the atmosphere, he wrote.

https://www.ft.com/content/ddfea480-...f-a7ae1beff35b

Rats and cockroaches were everywhere,

thats what prisons are for, societies rats and cockroaches.

and if they dont want to be locked up, then all they have to do is keep the right side of the law. they chose their fate. let them suffer.

Simple Sybil a Corbyn loving socialist who pays no tax in the countries where he works and spends his time, thus contributing nothing to the services the governments of those countries provide. A truly despicable parasite.

indeed.

the worse the conditions become in britains prisons, the better.

maybe the thought of living in cockroach infested cells, eating lousy food and being surrounded by drug addled violent psychopaths will act as a much needed deterrent.

because its clear that the activities and priorities of the police "force", the leniency of the courts and the cloying sympathies of the liberal elite are more of an encouragement than a deterrent.