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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    As it's all so easy for you though, what's to stop May using her discretion to delay for two years by a revoking and immediately invoking
    umm, the fact that she does not have actually have the discretion to do that? Is this a trick question? An act of Parliament authorising the PM to do something once does not give her infinite discretion or to do that thing ad-infinitum.. She was given the discretion to invoke a50 on a day of her choosing, not over and over and over again.

    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    That's why lawyers have argued about it for months and there is still no definitive view.
    The miller case provides prececedent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    So what in the 2017 act limits her discretion? You don't know, because you're guessing. And since the Wightman decision occurred since Miller, it's a new and different situation.
    What? The Wightman case says the UK can revoke A50 unilaterally. That doesn't mean Teresa May can do what she wants. It still requires an act of Parliament.

    The leaving the EU act gave May the power to invoke A50, she did so and that was that. It's not some bloody souvenir she keeps in the sideboard to take out and use again whenever she feels like it. It authorised her to notify the EU that the UK was leaving
    she did so and that was that as far as notification went.
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    Are we leaving on April 12 ? Of course we are not. Accept it we ain't leaving it's a hotel California x 100000.

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    The Miller case meant Parliament had to have a vote to stop Doris just leaving with her clusterfuk deal and thank fuk Miller did that as otherwise we would be screwed. But also Miller case we would then leave with no deal if one wasn't agreed hence the extension and the one now as its enshrined in law thanks to Miller that no deal is agreed then we should have left on March 29 with no deal. But we didn't hence the stitch up continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    You're talking shit, and you don't even know which act related to the Miller case. The Notification of Withdrawal act, not the leaving the EU Act
    FFS you moron, it’s the same thing. I paraphrased as I was walking down the street while replying to you on my phone. Just how thick are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    Bob is confused by it all in thinking Miller took away the executive's discretion to do pretty much everything.
    The executive doesn’t have that discretion. You have watched too many episodes of the West Wing. This is not America!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Netherlands? That seems strange to me. Where did you hear that?
    Do try to keep up Trotsky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Do try to keep up Trotsky.
    Why don't you just answer him instead of being a dick? You probably think you look clever but when you refuse to answer a reasonable question you just look like a cnt.

    Some newspapers have reported that "sources" say France, Belgium, and Spain will veto a lengthy extension. This seems unlikely to me as such an action by a small group of countries would be a major breach of EU protocol. Sample here, https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.c...y-8956976/amp/


    However, as Troy rightly intimated, the Netherlands is not one of those countries. The average Brexiter probably doesn't know the difference between Belgium and the Netherlands anyway.

    See, Switch, that's all it takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Why don't you just answer him instead of being a dick? You probably think you look clever but when you refuse to answer a reasonable question you just look like a cnt.

    Some newspapers have reported that "sources" say France, Belgium, and Spain will veto a lengthy extension. This seems unlikely to me as such an action by a small group of countries would be a major breach of EU protocol. Sample here, https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.c...y-8956976/amp/


    However, as Troy rightly intimated, the Netherlands is not one of those countries. The average Brexiter probably doesn't know the difference between Belgium and the Netherlands anyway.

    See, Switch, that's all it takes.
    Of course it’s perfectly acceptable for the master to expect facts to be accepted on his word, but not for anyone else.

    I am simply copying Troys policy of keep up idleness.

    My facts are just as valid as yours, and there are plenty of reports about French and Dutch reactions to Mays request.
    Its not my job to educate you. Stop being pompous and expecting others to do your research for you.
    Even the Germans are pissed off with May now.

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    The Dutch PM is under pressure. Brexit, Terrorism, Populism and lost economic opportunities.

    https://nltimes.nl/2019/03/15/dutch-...nds-clarity-uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Knowledge is more important than intelligence when making decisions. A decision based on ignorance is worthless now matter how intelligent we may be.

    It is blindingly obvious that most brexiters lack knowledge of what the EU is, how it works, and what the consequences are of either leaving or remaining. Knowledge is the result of learning while intelligence allows us to use that knowledge. Intelligence also enables us to change our minds when we acquire new knowledge. It is no coincidence that those who believe knowledge and expertise are unimportant generally lack both.

    Frankly the opinion of people on a subject in which they lack all knowledge is worthless, hence the comtempt felt by so many for Brexiters who not only display a lack of knowledge on subjects they pontificate on but also display an almost uncanny inability to acquire new knowledge, process it, and modify their opinion based on new information. Of course that doesn't necessarily mean they lack knowledge or intelligence in other areas, it means they are relying on faith and belief rather than knowledge in their approach to Brexit and in that sense their beliefs are more religious than political and consequently almost unshakeable.

    Yes, intelligence and knowledge are not the same thing but they do go hand in hand. Intelligence without knowledge is as useless as an engine without fuel. After all, chimps and dogs are intelligent but we don't value their thoughts and opinions.
    There goes our sermon for the day.

    Brexiters may be intelligent though they're clueless, while Brit haters and Europhiles are both knowledgeable and intelligent, and awesome and superior, though they need to prove their points with a deluge of insults that cover for fictional facts. Is that about right, Doc?

    There ya go, squirrel, fufu, assguy and Belgian, without the likes of you we would soon die off, courtesy of your comrade the deluded doc's latest outpouring.

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    Originally Posted by fufu
    It's not a claim, its a fact that Brexiteers are stupid and the rational reaction should be to ignore the malformed opinions of stupid people.
    I hope that is honest enough for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    May be honest, though rather dumb as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I don't think May is honest, but I agree she's dumb.
    Do yourself a favour mate, don't join the cnut farm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    It seems that France or Netherlands might veto the UK request for another extension. Unless of course, they have been primed by Juncker to put the frightened on Mrs May?
    Juncker doesn't fart without Frau's approval, she's the rule maker/breaker and we'll be seeing more of her as she takes personal charge, rather than delegate to lieutenants.

    I reckon she's cornered herself by failing to address the insoluble, that she desperately needs us in her Empire for reasons too obvious, while the last thing she wants is a reluctant and recalcitrant UK in the Chamber giving her front end a mucho hard time.

    What will she decide next? So much uncertainty, even the educated, intelligent, knowledgeable, perceptive, awesome and morally and ethically superior Doc's guess would be as good as any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    I don't think they will. I think they want to but they won't act alone, the EU usually aims for unanimity in decisions like this. The veto is pretty much the nuclear option in the EU and is rarely used. I think May will get her year-long extension in the end, these rolling extensions are just pissing everyone off. It's only the raving arseholes of the extreme Brexit faction that want to see the UK go down the shitter. The EU doesn't, even the ERG doesn't now they're faced with the reality. I think a lengthy extension is a given, it just remains to see what the conditions are.
    Docs and typewriters...I agree, but only in part Doc so don't go steaming off as though it's a carte blanche, though I've no doubt that's furthest from your mind!

    A lengthy extension probably, and this effective translates to no Brexit at all except in name. And ftr the ERG accepted the surrender Treaty as the least worst of terrible options, through you forgot to qualify that bit preferring to simply 'state the facts'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    The UK is not a PLC. Governments exist to protect the population and provide safety, security and the best possible lifestyle for that population. The government serves the people - all the people, it is NOT a board of directors serving shareholders. That is why the people allow governments to exist in the first place. Countries are not businesses and this stupid, ignorant, and evil idea that they are has caused untold suffering.
    What colour soap box, Doc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Where's the crayon, matches, lighter fuel, fluffies, law books, no one has ever studied law on here except Bob - all hail the Bob. Bob ...Bob
    I thought he was a medical Doc; my bad, didn't realise he's a Doc of Law, Business, Politics and everything else, and modest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    I'll say it again, it could be done in days - Bob knows better because he breathes the rules unlike most here
    Doesn't matter how long revocation would take though likely days over weeks despite what our resident expert says; and if she leans in that direction the gods will bend over for her, as will the legislature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    Still chasing shadows Jacko?
    Where you been, I missed you!

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    Hey Doc my son just asked me the colour of thunder, answer please, he's waiting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Have I got this right? He thinks that you are pretending to me even though I've been on this forum 11 years longer than you? Is that what he's on about? Fck me, we really do have some mental dregs on this forum
    I agree, we do have mental dregs here, and I put it down at least in part to being on TD for 13 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    That is only part of it, apparently you, me, luigi and someone called sid are all the same person.
    Luigi's a fun guy, wouldn't be caught dead associating with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelFarage View Post
    You're talking shit, and you don't even know which act related to the Miller case. The Notification of Withdrawal act, not the leaving the EU Act, was needed by May as triggering A50 would repeal existing legislation. The Miller case didn't consider revocation as nobody knew it could be done at the time.

    Revoking and immediately retriggering A50 would not repeal any legislation, it would merely delay leaving, hence could be done without new legislation, presumably as a discretionary act by the executive. So tell me again, how is the Miller case a precident for this?
    Don't be hard on him, he saw the Miller case somewhere, decided hey that'll show I'm smart and that's why he brought it to our attention. Since you challenged him he huffed off for a proper read, and only then once on solid ground starts to turn fiction into fact.

    Fire away Doc, real smart people understand that others can also read.

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