Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Originally Posted by Norton

Wonder if Northern Ireland will say, screw this and say good bye to UK.

You're from the US, right?

Originally Posted by foobar

Why would it be in the interest of the Tories to call another GE so that: "someone[another party, not the Tories] will be campaigning to remain in the EU in their manifesto with the EU hoping that party wins and then no need for a deal" ?

Surely, the Tories would prefer to instead call another referendum, the end result would be the same but they are guaranteed to stay in power, while a GE means they risk losing the power they currently hold?

Ref2 is not something to be simply announced and done, so that Ref1 outcome becomes irrelevant. Representative democracy (Parliament) voted for the people to decide whether to leave or stay, and unless you are hypnotised by Troy's meaningless meanderings on Ref1 being advisory and not binding, the people decided and UK is legally and politically obliged to leave the EU; end of.

How it's done is a different story, though it will be done against whatever the EU attempts to prevent it.

While Ref2 crap deal/no deal is legitimate, any Ref2 with a stay option leads to immediate and serious political and legal issues which could drag on for years, by which time thankfully the EU in its current form would cease to exist for us to make that decision. Face it, the Emperor has no clothes, your idols are hollow, and the European Superstate, an Empire adored by hypocrites professing to despise Empires, is a glorious fantasy.

Tax, you do realise the Irish enjoy salaries and pensions at least 30% more than those received by the English, don't you?

what others may receive is of little interest to me. all my working life i have managed my own financial affairs in order to be able to provide for me and mine after retirement, and have never looked over my shoulder or compared my earnings or benefits with others.

and so far this modus operandi has served me well enough.

i suspect that the irish of whom you speak would need 30% more than the brits seeing as they are stuck with the euro. everything euro is more expensive, probably by around 30% too.

re. brexit, i am convinced now we will never get a deal with brussels, we could negotiate for the next 100 years and would still be no closer to a deal that is acceptable, thats how brussels works. they did it to greece, and they are doing it to us.

we need to come out right away with no deal, take the undoubted big hit, and rebuild from there, singapore style, (but with more heart )

otherwise we risk remaining shackled to the eu forever , losing our sovereignty and becoming no more than a small insignificant appendage of an increasingly bureaucratic, dictatorial, undemocratic and regulation driven eu superstate, overseen by drones in brussels working to and ticking boxes according to the alogarithms kindly foisted upon them by germany.

Originally Posted by Norton

Finalizing the divorce and moving through new trade agreements deals will go on for years. Reckon May is safe for a few years.

Wonder if Northern Ireland will say, screw this and say good bye to UK. Scots may jump off the UK ship as well. Both figuring they prefer the EU over the UK.

Summer (June-Aug) she goes.

Scots may jump off the UK ship as well.

a backstop with scotland, that should present no problems at all.

Originally Posted by cyrille

You're from the US, right?

US passport but haven't lived there in decades.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

'clean' Brexit will of course ensure the break-up of the union and sterling's near parity with the US$.

Any form of British exit from the EU will be a precursor to the collapse of the oscillating engineered, undemocratic faux casino that is the EU. The UK will not be the cause of that collapse. That blame lies at the feet of the commission and the council for their unbridled money lust.

I just checked and even after the vote debacle last night, the GBP is trading at $1.30 +. Even forgetting your original claim of parity, getting close is not on the menu. Dipshit angry old duffer.

Originally Posted by jabir

Summer (June-Aug) she goes.

Probably but then what? How will a new PM change anything?

Originally Posted by Norton

Finalizing the divorce and moving through new trade agreements deals will go on for years. Reckon May is safe for a few years.

Wonder if Northern Ireland will say, screw this and say good bye to UK. Scots may jump off the UK ship as well. Both figuring they prefer the EU over the UK.

The Scots need an income from the EU, to replace the largesse they currently squander on behalf of the English parliament.
As for NI, it’s possible there is a gap in your understanding of that insoluble conundrum. Historical and complex, does not even come close to it.

Originally Posted by Switch

As for NI, it’s possible there is a gap in your understanding of that insoluble conundrum.

No perhaps about it. No doubt about it.

May herself is expected to support ruling out a no-deal exit on 29 March. Referring to Northern Ireland, she said she was conscious of “the potential damage to the union that leaving without a deal could do when one part of our country is without devolved governance”.


Neither Dublin, London nor the EU have published their no-deal plans for Northern Ireland because they have been deemed so sensitive.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hort-of-police

Originally Posted by buriramboy

It's no different to Switzerland. They have borders too.

Guess you just have to choose who to believe.

Originally Posted by Norton

Probably but then what? How will a new PM change anything?

Nobody knows but hopefully by then Brexit will have a firmer direction, otherwise turn on the blender and see what we end up with.

Also hopefully EU continue overplaying their hand and reject an extension, leaving just crap or no deal on the table. No way out, gun to the head, which is probably what May engineered from word go, except it should backfire and no deal win since Parliament would otherwise look even more foolish than before by backtracking on recent resounding votes.

But with a couple weeks to go, EU form for last minute 'generosity' and their fear of a no deal becoming reality, there's still time for them to make last minute concessions, er, clarifications. And never mind our resident hypocrites and lost souls desperate for sanctuary in a European Empire controlled and managed by Yermany, right now the gods are shitting themselves beneath those smug expressions and defiant announcements.

Originally Posted by jabir

right now the gods are shitting themselves beneath those smug expressions and defiant announcements.

The 'defiant announcements' have mostly been 'Ummm...so could you tell us what you do want sometime?'

You really have floated off into cloud cuckoo land.

Thanks for the laughs during testing times, anyway.

Originally Posted by Switch

I just checked and even after the vote debacle last night, the GBP is trading at $1.30 +.

That's because Bremain is getting closer.

No surprise regards last night's vote. The vote today is the important one. No-deal needs to be chucked off the table. A pity this couldn't have been done back in December.

What's the prediction ?

Originally Posted by Norton

Probably but then what? How will a new PM change anything?

Because we currently have a PM who voted remain doesn't believe in Brexit yet has been charged with implementing it. We voted for Brexit and what Doris has given us with her failed deal is Brexit in name only. The woman has no charisma, no vision and doesn't listen, I didn't think it was possible that I'd see a worse PM than Gordon Brown in my life time but Doris has proved me wrong. If Labour didn't have an extreme socialist as their current leader, Doris would lead the Tories to electoral oblivion. Something has to give soon personally I think a General Election is the only way forward.

Originally Posted by Troy

No surprise regards last night's vote. The vote today is the important one. No-deal needs to be chucked off the table. A pity this couldn't have been done back in December.

What's the prediction ?

Have you actually read the wording of what is to be voted on? No deal even after it will be voted down tonight is still the default position.

Originally Posted by cyrille

The 'defiant announcements' have mostly been 'Ummm...so could you tell us what you do want sometime?'

You really have floated off into cloud cuckoo land.

Thanks for the laughs during testing times, anyway.

You’re a long way behind on this one.

Suspend the collective responsibility of th e cabinet and hand government decisions over to MP’s ring any bells for you?

Its an EU May stitch up. Bullying the house to dance her way, backed by apparent intransigence from Barnier et al.

The EU is fighting for its very own survival!
If Britain goes then the EU will collapse, every fooker in politics knows this.
That is why the politicians will never deliver a clean Brexit.

A new party with balls and a strong leader needs to step up and sweep the old guard parasites aside.

Originally Posted by taxexile

what others may receive is of little interest to me. all my working life i have managed my own financial affairs in order to be able to provide for me and mine after retirement, and have never looked over my shoulder or compared my earnings or benefits with others.

and so far this modus operandi has served me well enough.

i suspect that the irish of whom you speak would need 30% more than the brits seeing as they are stuck with the euro. everything euro is more expensive, probably by around 30% too.

re. brexit, i am convinced now we will never get a deal with brussels, we could negotiate for the next 100 years and would still be no closer to a deal that is acceptable, thats how brussels works. they did it to greece, and they are doing it to us.

we need to come out right away with no deal, take the undoubted big hit, and rebuild from there, singapore style, (but with more heart )

otherwise we risk remaining shackled to the eu forever , losing our sovereignty and becoming no more than a small insignificant appendage of an increasingly bureaucratic, dictatorial, undemocratic and regulation driven eu superstate, overseen by drones in brussels working to and ticking boxes according to the alogarithms kindly foisted upon them by germany.

Are you taking medication these days Tax?

First things first. The EU couldn't give a fuck about what Britain wants, does not want or can put up with, it only insists that NI and Ireland and left out of the equation. Let NI remain in the EU and tell the ERG/DUP to fuck themselves and you can kiss as much American/Chink arse as you like, the EU couldn't give a toss.

Secondly, no one gives a fuck about your sovereignty. No one gives a fuck about your parliament, your rights, your benefits, your laws or your drunken untermensch, you can do what you like because in the 45 years of EU membership you have done precisely that - in all that time the British have voted against the EU on a mere 2% of divisions in the E.Parliament. Even David Davis has conceded that sovereignty was never a fucking issue because when it comes to national interest any fucking state can derogate.

Thirdly, Brexit is, was, and always shall be, a construct of the right wing fascist Tory geriatric party that got nowhere over 45 years until it tapped into the ant-coon British demographic that believes all the austerity shit was because of niggers, coons, wogs, spics, muslims and East Europeans.

Christ Tax, I thought fucking dentists were meant to be intelligent.

Originally Posted by Troy

No surprise regards last night's vote. The vote today is the important one. No-deal needs to be chucked off the table. A pity this couldn't have been done back in December.

What's the prediction ?

Difficult to predict when nothing anyone says can be trusted. Just a couple of weeks ago May stood firm and refused to remove no deal from the table; today best she has is unacceptable, with default whether deal or no deal on 29th.

Originally Posted by cyrille

You're from the US, right?

it's quite easy to explain, the NI represent the Irish traitors that "collaborate" with the English

while the Republic of Ireland are the heroes that gained independence

Originally Posted by lom

That's because Bremain is getting closer.

can't let that happen, the fookers need to go ASAP