Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

^ She's 10 MPs short of a government.

Meanwhile with UK soon to be out of the way, Germany continues on its way to taking over the EU with this latest pact between the master race and the cooks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46908205

The vain Macron, who is about as popular as a fart in phone box, probably sees himself as equal partners with Germany as they form plans that lesser EU members will have no choice but to go along with; no need to consult them of course, German arrogance dictates that their way is the best way,

France is useful to Germany at the moment as they provide a veneer of legitimacy to their aims, which of course includes building an EU 'peace keeping' force. I wonder who they plan to impose their 'Peace' on - Ukraine?

Britain’s steady growth to beat Europe’s big players

Sharp slowdown in eurozone to drag on world economy, IMF warns

Philip Aldrick, Gurpreet Narwan
January 22 2019, 12:01am,
The Times


Britain will grow at least as fast as its biggest eurozone neighbours over the next two years as a sharp economic slowdown in the single currency bloc drags on global growth, the International Monetary Fund has said.



Downgrades for Germany and Italy were to blame for the IMF’s decision to reduce its world growth forecast for this year to 3.5 per cent, below its October projection of 3.7 per cent.

The outlook for the UK was left unchanged at 1.5 per cent this year and 1.6 per cent in 2020, which means that Britain is expected to grow faster than Germany and Italy and just as fast as France. Of the nations in the G7, only the United States and Canada are expected to outpace Britain.



The IMF, which was founded in 1945 and has 189 member countries, stressed that the forecast for the UK assumed that a Brexit deal would be struck with the European Union and that there would be a transition to new terms as part of its withdrawal. The forecast is supported both by “the offsetting negative effect of prolonged uncertainty about the Brexit outcome and the positive impact from fiscal stimulus announced in the 2019 budget”.

Gita Gopinath, the IMF’s chief economist, told a press conference in Davos before the start of the World Economic Forum in the Swiss resort today that Brexit uncertainty was the “dominant factor” weighing on Britain’s growth. “We’ve already seen the negative effect of this on British investment,” she said.

A no-deal was one of three risk “triggers” that would damage world economic prospects. The others were an escalation in trade tensions, particularly between America and China, a rapid increase in borrowing costs and a Chinese slowdown. Official figures showed yesterday that the Chinese economy grew last year at its slowest pace since 1990, at 6.6 per cent.

The IMF also highlighted high debt levels, particularly in the developing world, which could exacerbate difficulties. In 2020, global growth is set to pick up to 3.6 per cent, but that is 0.1 point lower than the forecast in October.

The eurozone’s outlook has changed remarkably over the past few months. A stand-off between Italy and the EU over the former’s budget and the impact on Germany of tougher car emissions standards and “softer” global trade have all led the IMF to downgrade eurozone growth from 1.9 per cent to 1.6 per cent this year.

German growth was cut from 1.9 per cent to 1.3 per cent and Italy from 1 per cent to 0.6 per cent. France was downgraded from 1.6 per cent to 1.5 per cent “due to the negative impact of street protests” led by the gilets jaunes.

Christine Lagarde, IMF’s managing director, said that it was too early to discuss the threat of a global recession. “The world economy is growing more slowly than expected and the risks are rising,” she said. “But does that mean there is a global recession around the corner? No.”

The IMF said that risks were “skewed to the downside” but if nations “resolve their differences without raising trade barriers further and market sentiment recovers, then improved confidence and easier financial conditions could reinforce each other to lift growth above the baseline forecast”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...-imf-zf975d76g

To paraphrase Jacob Rees-Mogg when it was pointed out that the UK was lagging the EU: all economies are cyclic and not necessarily in synch. It isn't something to be concerned about

I noted several articles suggesting that the German car industry is lagging with electric and hybrid variants. I have seen the prototype BMWs and Audis that have been undergoing tests for several years now. They are often seen on the A9 between Munich and Ingolstadt. Prestige cars, that command good prices and retain them need to be quality products. No point putting crap out on the street early.

Originally Posted by Troy

To paraphrase Jacob Rees-Mogg when it was pointed out that the UK was lagging the EU: all economies are cyclic and not necessarily in synch. It isn't something to be concerned about

I noted several articles suggesting that the German car industry is lagging with electric and hybrid variants. I have seen the prototype BMWs and Audis that have been undergoing tests for several years now. They are often seen on the A9 between Munich and Ingolstadt. Prestige cars, that command good prices and retain them need to be quality products. No point putting crap out on the street early.

However good they are, the still require a market. The global market is shrinking at the moment.


Interesting that of the 3 IMF factors endangering growth, the IMF chief economist put Brexit as the first issue, while the US China debate only merits second. Chinese growth also slowing is placed 3rd.
Really?

Originally Posted by Troy

Two more incidents in Derry yesterday, but NI secretary and PM May are quite sure it has nothing to do with Brexit or the talk of changing GFA. Just some amateurs fooling around according to the all-knowing Switch.

We need Snakeeyes to give us a report from on location.

Are expat Brexiteers just a little hypocritical? Moaning about immigration but living in another country! If they were reall patriots they would go back to Blighty and contribute the the society that they apparently love.

So second Referendum, unite Ireland and get the skirt wearers an independence vote so Billy Cranky can fuk off to the EU - G&T summer ahead and looking forward to it - this could be a great result.

Originally Posted by taxexile

Britain’s steady growth to beat Europe’s big players



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/b...-imf-zf975d76g

Well, on that basis quite clearly we shouldn't compromise our economic future by being bullied into accepting May's crap deal.

Yes, Troy, we.

Not sure who would replace May:

Borris- a buffoon and his outwardly racist nature would make him a poor choice in what will be an era of securing trade deals.
Mogg- Far too out of touch and twatty- but if you want the working class sold down the river then I suppose he is the man for the job.
Farage- unelectable, his once got beaten by a dolphin

Originally Posted by jabir

Well, on that basis quite clearly we shouldn't compromise our economic future by being bullied into accepting May's crap deal.

Yes, Troy, we.

Cave ab homine unius libri

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

Are expat Brexiteers just a little hypocritical? Moaning about immigration but living in another country! If they were reall patriots they would go back to Blighty and contribute the the society that they apparently love.

This is a stupid fucking argument for the simple reason no one is against legal controlled immigration. It is uncontrolled mass immigration that has led to the NHS, housing, schools and all public services being overwhelmed that people have had enough of. You being young and childless and not spending much time in the UK would be unaware of reality on the ground and why people voted Brexit and just like to shout racist and bigot at everyone who did and that is why you will also lose a second ref should there be one.

things are starting to move, finally

Brexit: MPs put forward rival plans to May's deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46955437

MPs have begun putting forward proposals to change the outcome of Brexit ahead of next week's scheduled vote on Theresa May's amended deal.

Mrs May will meet her cabinet after telling MPs on Monday that she was focused on altering the Irish backstop.

But Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the prime minister was in denial about the level of opposition to her deal.

Among the MPs' amendments are plans to prevent a no-deal Brexit and to extend the deadline for leaving the EU.

Hopefully the EU will refuse to extend A50 deadline but doubtful as they want Doris deal signed off as it's basically a deal written by the EU. A50 extended by 3 months is my bet.

Kick the can a bit further down the road eh bboy?

The reason the NHS is in such a mess is not so much immigration as the Tories not spending anywhere near the same amount as say Germany or France. You can't close hospitals and blame that on immigrants.

MPs are there to protect their constituents from their self-destructing behavior,

extending A50 why not, but to re-negotiate the same deal ? hello earth

Populism Vs representative democracy. A bit like asking the doctor to kill you because of a headache instead of heal you.

MPs need to take over and re-instate the common market and free movement,

deal done and dusted

Next, fuck off and good riddance

Originally Posted by Troy

Kick the can a bit further down the road eh bboy?

The reason the NHS is in such a mess is not so much immigration as the Tories not spending anywhere near the same amount as say Germany or France. You can't close hospitals and blame that on immigrants.

Not my choice to kick the can down the road, if up to me we leave on March 29 with a clean Brexit.

As to the NHS it's fucking obscene the amount of money it has thrown at it, wastage in that organisation is off the scale. Doctors being able to retire in their 40s and 50s with a million £ in their pension pot doesn't help either. Everyone knows the NHS needs reforming but because Labour weaponise it at every election it makes reform impossible.

NHS is probably used also as a front for financing certain political parties, like it is in France, that's why it's so fooking expensive

Originally Posted by Troy

Populism Vs representative democracy. A bit like asking the doctor to kill you because of a headache instead of heal you.

Would this be the representative democracy where people stood on a manifesto to implement the result of the referendum then decided once elected they no longer wanted to represent the people who elected them. Just bring on the riots.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Would this be the representative democracy where people stood on a manifesto to implement the result of the referendum then decided once elected they no longer wanted to represent the people who elected them. Just bring on the riots.

British don't do riots, they will take it and shut up. Unlike their parliament where MPs like to shout and are not afraid to speak up

Originally Posted by Troy

Cave ab homine unius libri

You're right, we should all rely on what you post.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Just bring on the riots.

Riots?

Originally Posted by foobar

Only mere days before the big vote, the Brexiteers took to the streets of the nations capital and the UK's biggest city( pop. +8million ) in the so-called Brexit betrayal march, it was a show of strength to demonstrate their outrage at any potential soft Brexit and to remove any doubts around rumours that the will of the people had changed...


Tommo was there to make sure the Brexiteers showed up in numbers at this historic time...


Tommo did draw the numbers but it wasn't the numbers he was looking for:

....a joint Ukip and Tommy Robinson demonstration, which claimed to speak for the 17.4 million people who voted leave in 2016 – attracted a crowd of little more than 2,000 people to Whitehall in central London.

...But even he(Tommo) may have cringed at the lack of numbers because nearby, separated by a thick police presence, a 10,000-strong anti-Fascist rally dwarfed his own.

One Brexiteer eloquently explained the embarrassingly low turnout thus:

It may have been better on a Saturday,” mused one demonstrator, driver Steven Woods, outside the nearby St Stephen’s Tavern pub. “People like to have a pint when they come to something like this. They like to make a day or a weekend of it.

Or maybe the EDL will have another demonstration?