Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Greece emerges from eurozone bailout after years of austerity

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-of-austerity

Lots of positive sentiment, which I suppose is the Grauniad's way of saying Greece has been hoisted from the gutter and will soon start contributing to the Union, just after they pay off Deutsche Bank, the IMF and/or everyone else they scammed money from, which won't be within long haul distance of the proposed 2020. Or, it could mean Greece won't be coming for more free money right now due to a new pack of discreet measures to prevent default, at least until its EU taskmasters compute how much they can throw into the Aegean after May's golden handshake if any.

Why do I feel the Grauniad is not to be trusted?

Also not sure what austerity Greece had over these pauper years, seeing as the people voted anti-austerity and are in hock for some 300bn much of which went toward paying for German stuff that would otherwise be rusting away behind giant screens in some desolate part of northern Europe, though it makes sense for this propaganda rag to pimp the image of a strong and stable Europe (not sure where I heard that before) where everyone prospers by working for the common good.

While it looks increasingly that Britain is moving toward a dark period, the EU is a crazed monster lurching into far worse.

soon enough, you fookers will ponder back on the good old days when you were part of the EU

thank god for us REAL Europeans, the English experiment nightmare is over, and we can finally progress and create a new kind of grand union for political and world economic dominance, while you silly islanders linger in misery and despair

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

soon enough, you fookers will ponder back on the good old days when you were part of the EU

thank god for us REAL Europeans, the English experiment nightmare is over, and we can finally progress and create a new kind of grand union for political and world economic dominance, while you silly islanders linger in misery and despair

I have reported your post for repetition, lack of factual analysis, and overbearing trolling. You’re the perfect example of why so many Brits want to leave a union full of loud mouthed, entitled, worthless, pig headed socialists.
Not to worry, you will soon be able to turn all the goodwill of member nations into dust.
Thank fook the majority of Europeans are nothing like you.

god, you are a truly pathetic English pensioner

Originally Posted by jabir

due to a new pack of discreet measures to prevent default,

I hope you aren't suggesting the EU financial cabal are not "transparent" and individually accountable for their actions, personally. It is, allegedly, the "western standard" not like some Asian countries.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

god, you are a truly pathetic English pensioner

Is that really all you’ve got troll? How sad and pointless you are these days.

Up your game, or move on. Right now, you are just a waste of a good skin.

Originally Posted by OhOh

I hope you aren't suggesting the EU financial cabal are not "transparent" and individually accountable for their actions, personally. It is, allegedly, the "western standard" not like some Asian countries.

Hole in one, precisely that.

SA: You come across as a smart guy with a clear view and the means to articulate the future, albeit through language from a council estate or the street. That’s good, and it also grants you the wisdom to suggest that leave voters were ill informed and didn't know what they were voting for. It's easy to fall for this one, as evidenced by you going on the offensive with scathing expletive filled criticisms of those that disagree with you.

But while you rage at 'ill informed' leavers, please explain why remainers were so well informed, before the event rather than after? To be fair I shouldn't be asking you since you know it all, but how about asking your average remainer to explain the relationship between the EU parliament and the EU commission. How does that work? I say badly and undemocratically, as close to tyranny as you can get within an ‘open’ society, while others may say the exact opposite, which is also irrelevant as our interest here is in context of your righteous rants, for the views of the average leave vs the average remainer. Or ask both camps what the EC actually do, or how the ECB or for that matter IMF have so much seemingly unaccountable monies to throw around, from which contributors and are those donations or do the sources expect to break even or show a profit? Do it, and learn how well informed those on both sides of the fence are.

I don’t pretend to have the answers and wasn't passionate, voted leave with a shrug, so in your eyes I must be thick and or ill informed and probably more than just a bit racist. But no remainers I've spoken with, generally professionals and career people over serial losers, have managed to explain why they voted remain, using actual facts. Why not? Because material facts in the public arena during those weeks were buried in stats, exaggeration, manipulation, lies, subterfuge and various other politically acceptable forms of deceit. If this is wrong, tell us which facts you knew before the referendum date, and how it was that only the dumbest of the dumb missed out on access to your impeccable sources.

It's easy to say that more people voted against you because they didn't know what you obviously knew, but it's not so easy to admit simply and honestly that your lot lost the debate because they weren't persuasive enough, or more accurately that they didn't lie enough. Maybe you lost the debate because you called anyone thinking to vote leave a thicko, which tends not to endear people to your cause, and you probably also lost one or two votes when Cameron wrote a script for Obama to parrot, threatening the end of the world if they leave. Are we on the same page yet?

Note that there's nothing wrong with voting on a broad principle without knowing all there is to know on a particular issue; it happens all the time. You don't need to understand in the finest detail about a set of fiscal or foreign or other policies to believe it probably won't work because those promoting it are self-interested weasels with a string of fails behind them. In fact most people vote on principle after weighing the information they have or believe, and rarely based on what they're told by a politician or the side of a bus.

Ashcroft showed that the main reason leave voters gave was not immigration, but that they believed the laws in Britain should be made in Britain by Brits. That was a good reason to leave. Nobody needs and few have an intimate knowledge of how Brussels works or how legislators end up with their final product, or even how they frame the outline on some of their more absurd tracks. Is it difficult to understand the principle of sovereignty?

Ashcroft also showed that most remainers believed remaining would leave us economically more secure. And this was their good reason to stay.

That was pre-referendum; what happened next was unpredictable for a number of reasons, not least that there was no precedent to work with.

But the real reason Brexit has turned out to be such a shitstorm is not because the majority are thick and ill informed, as you hawk, but because our leaders sacrificed all the potential benefits of Brexit for short term political gains, which to date have been a shambles since none of their cunning plans have panned out making HMgov a laughing stock not to be taken seriously. Instead of focussing on this critical issue facing the country, they've been busy either clinging to power or positioning themselves for a power grab with a gun to the head of the country, since most voters however thick or ill informed know the alternative is a Corbyn that would turn the nation inside out within a single term.

Do you remember the sheriff in Blazing Saddles putting a gun to his head as the angry mob approached, and threatening to shoot? Sure it was funny, but the underlying message was a threat not to him but to the people, that even though they might be angry enough to lynch him, without him they would be at the mercy of far worse.

As it stands, while May fluffs her way into early retirement and a brief mention in the history books, the only politicians saying what they actually think are the likes of Farage, Johnson and Rees-Mogg. What does that tell you, anything? You may not like what they say, so your preferred response may be to call them clowns or more likely f*cking clowns, but at least you know what they think because they're telling you, while others are making it up as they go along. And you do profess to being a reasonable and democratic person, even when confronted with differing views, right?

So while we go to town slagging off the Tories, how would you describe the other side of the Brexit coin haunted by people like Juncker, Tusk, Barnier and Verhofstadt? Are these our friends? I thought they are failed politicians mocked in their own country that found a way to become chief worms in a monster rotten apple.

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I'm really looking forwards to 'The gents' reply.

Jabir jabberings amount to no more than mental dyspepsia, a seemingly permanent ailment and no doubt the consequence of an enfeebled intellect attempting to engage with an external world hopelessly beyond his comprehension. I scan read it for a paragraph or two and dismissed it for the usual hackneyed rubbish.

The reasons to remain are myriad and proven whereas the arguments to leave are universally baseless and amount to no more than mere fanciful rhetoric spawned by wishful thinking underpinned by stupidity, bigotry, ignorance and a flimsily disguised attempt at commercial exploitation of the many by the few.

Only a fucking ignorant stupid cvunt cannot see it or just a plain nasty cvunt.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Jabir jabberings amount to no more than mental dyspepsia, a seemingly permanent ailment and no doubt the consequence of an enfeebled intellect attempting to engage with an external world hopelessly beyond his comprehension. I scan read it for a paragraph or two and dismissed it for the usual hackneyed rubbish.

The reasons to remain are myriad and proven whereas the arguments to leave are universally baseless and amount to no more than mere fanciful rhetoric spawned by wishful thinking underpinned by stupidity, bigotry, ignorance and a flimsily disguised attempt at commercial exploitation of the many by the few.

Only a fucking ignorant stupid cvunt cannot see it or just a plain nasty cvunt.

You being ignorant, stupid and very, very nasty have just failed the litmus test.
You are well know for vituperative and dismissive language on this topic.
When a poster goes to the trouble of framing a very polite question, you might at least have the decency to address it in like style, you ignorant pice of shit.

So that's obviously.

The gents 0-1 Jabir

Indulging fucking idiots has never been my strongest suit.

yup.. being a potty mouthed charlatan is a one trick pony

Fuck off you pretentious babbling oik. If you cannot contribute positively then swivel on it, dickwad.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Fuck off you pretentious babbling oik. If you cannot contribute positively then swivel on it, dickwad.

Originally Posted by Switch

Is that really all you’ve got troll? How sad and pointless you are these days.

Up your game, or move on. Right now, you are just a waste of a good skin.

it's not like you have any intrinsic value and deserve any better

indeed, what a sad and pointless pensioner you make in this big scheme of things

at the end the EU will win, and you will remain miserable, Brexit or not

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Indulging fucking idiots has never been my strongest suit.

Get a life 'The gents'. Don't take life so seriously.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Jabir jabberings amount to no more than mental dyspepsia, a seemingly permanent ailment and no doubt the consequence of an enfeebled intellect attempting to engage with an external world hopelessly beyond his comprehension. I scan read it for a paragraph or two and dismissed it for the usual hackneyed rubbish.

The reasons to remain are myriad and proven whereas the arguments to leave are universally baseless and amount to no more than mere fanciful rhetoric spawned by wishful thinking underpinned by stupidity, bigotry, ignorance and a flimsily disguised attempt at commercial exploitation of the many by the few.

Only a fucking ignorant stupid cvunt cannot see it or just a plain nasty cvunt.

indeed, I was going to say why bother with such a long piece when it's obvious to anyone else with an ounce of brain

only a misguided ignorant would go into such a lengthy essay to have an answer, only to demonstrate by this very exercise that he has no clue whatsoever on the topic

it's like engaging in a lengthy argument on why mass murders were committed under Stalin or Mao and trying to find some kind of justifications for them when there is none. It's simply ridiculous.


but kudos to jabir for trying something and taking the time for it

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

pretentious

may as well say: describe thegents

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it's not like you have any intrinsic value and deserve any better

indeed, what a sad and pointless pensioner you make in this big scheme of things

at the end the EU will win, and you will remain miserable, Brexit or not

Bwahahahaha

Originally Posted by jabir

But the real reason Brexit has turned out to be such a shitstorm is not because the majority are thick and ill informed, as you hawk, but because our leaders sacrificed all the potential benefits of Brexit for short term political gains, which to date have been a shambles since none of their cunning plans have panned out making HMgov a laughing stock not to be taken seriously. Instead of focussing on this critical issue facing the country, they've been busy either clinging to power or positioning themselves for a power grab with a gun to the head of the country, since most voters however thick or ill informed know the alternative is a Corbyn that would turn the nation inside out within a single term.

The real reason Brexit is such a shitstorm is that Brexit was all about destructive criticism of the EU with no constructive alternative plan put forward that could be debated as a better proposal. As I have said since the start, if leaving the EU and trading under WTO was a better alternative then it would have happened already. The problem is that even those that have passionately supported Brexit have no constructive alternative to offer.

Quite simply, one doesn't leave one's job without finding another one first. One certainly doesn't leave one's job only to ask for it back with better conditions.

The UK have little alternative but to agree to EU conditions to secure the withdrawal agreement in October. The UK and the EU both know this, it's just a matter of how to explain this in a dignified manner.

Originally Posted by Troy

As I have said since the start, if leaving the EU and trading under WTO was a better alternative then it would have happened already.

Possibly prior to agreeing to hold a referendum and upholding the result, the then government would have thoroughly investigated the result of an exit from the EU and published some facts to assist the voting public to understand, a cartoon video even.

Like I said, vapid empty rhetoric born out of wishful thinking but in Tax's case his delusional dementia has been accelerated by the inhalation of injudicious quantities of nitrous oxide whilst double-dealing the NHS all those years pulling teeth as a entrepreneurial, swashbuckling dental surgeon walking the wild side of hybrid health care in Neasden.

Har,har.