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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    I guess/hope Trump rather shook up Juncker and now he's dawdling closer to reality.
    Neither the EU rep or the ameristani rep are in a position to agree or sign anything "promised". Neither have the political clout and are beholden to EU countries political leaders or ameristani state political leaders.

    As usual the MSM have given a lot of praise for actually, nothing more than empty promises.
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    The sheer stupidity of the masses is such that ignorance has become almost a currency where the rates of exchange are so fluid that the buyer and seller are often incapable of understanding what the price may be for any of the pigs in a poke sold in the market.

    Let's take free trade deals. These are fiercely complex affairs requiring multilateral negotiations whereby divergent national interests must be reconciled in a settlement that satisfies criteria determined by socio-economic-political factors that themselves often shift according to emerging perceptions in the negotiation process. One may start with a common intention but the process is dynamic and requires constant evaluation. The Sino - Australian FTA took ten years to conclude and that was when both parties were onto a winner. Yet, among the stupid an FTA is now something that can be spirited from the ether in a moment and is no more complex than a politician's promise.

    Trump is a moron. That we all know, and anything he says is transitory. The EU has the best political and economic cadre on the planet in terms of ability. They already know that the solution to deal with a demented, uneducated, boorish pig with narcissistic psychotic tendencies is to smile at him and tell him he is the best whilst offering empty blandishments his monstrous ego confuses with reality.

    Brexiteers are similarly afflicted but in a different way. They are so stupid that they thought that an advantageous exit could be secured simply because of two beliefs: a) they were British and therefore innately superior in every way and b) the EU would sacrifice their core principles for money, a presumption based on the current British philosophy that everything resolves to profit.

    The wheels have fallen off. The Tory government is an exercise in political futility garbed in farce and now resolves to a cadre within a Downing Street bunker led by a sclerotic, desiccated hag whose policies are no more than weird projections of increasingly deranged minds.

    And of course the insanity of all this is that the people who voted for it, in their credulous ignorance, bigotry and petty prejudice, will not benefit one jot.

    The Home Office is now setting up a system to mark all EU residents in the UK with a digital cross. You couldn't fucking write it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Farage nails it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    It does seem odd that Junker can fly off to the US, talk to Trump for an hour or so then they both say some deal has been struck with no or low tariffs, but Junker cannot or will not do the same for the UK.
    Why is that odd?
    Trump announced import restrictions a few month ago and some of them got into place from June 1, it doesn't take much to rewind that.
    Rewinding 40 year of EU membership and attempting to do that in 2 years is more difficult.

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    ^^Indeed, a man who couldn't get elected despite leading a party with 4 million supporters, a self- professed pauper who is being divorced by his wife because he is a proven cvunt and a man whose social life revolves around alcohol, tatty bars and trying to fuck ugly women.

    Yep, he's nailed it and is living the dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Neither the EU rep or the ameristani rep are in a position to agree or sign anything "promised". Neither have the political clout and are beholden to EU countries political leaders or ameristani state political leaders.

    As usual the MSM have given a lot of praise for actually, nothing more than empty promises.
    Don't underestimate these people. They are extremely powerful, ideologically polar, and each leads an army of political, economic and administrative troops with immense resources that exist simply to fulfil their every wish, vision and command.

    TDS can work overtime and everyone knows anything involving Trump must be bad for the universe and beyond, but let's enter lalaland anyway and say, for example, that Trump did shake up Juncker who in turn tells Verhofstadt, Barnier and other elected and unelected Eurotyrants that the roof's about to cave in if they don't make concessions that move toward what Trump believes is a level playing field.

    What happens next, considering these characters are not used to having yellow cards waved in their face, and even they know 7-high rarely bluffs out a royal flush? No way would they up the ante, knowing the other side can and will fight back, which bullies tend not to like, but instead install measures for first avoidance and then damage control, which imho ain't such a bad thing even it was the T-man that brought it on, whilst calling it some sort of victory over the crazy guy.

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    Perhaps things might be easier all round if you posted in fucking Swahili.

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    I could do just that if it helps you understand.

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    This should get the Remainers bristling...

    Infectious diseases such as super-gonorrhoea could spread more rapidly if the UK leaves the European Union, health chiefs have warned.


    Britain is said to be under “significant threat” from such diseases after Brexit if the government doesn’t work out a way of maintaining a close working relationship with European health bodies.

    The UK’s proximity to mainland Europe and high levels of cross-border travel across the continent mean that without a closely joined up approach the results could be disastrous.


    Niall Dickson, chief executive of the NHS Confederation, told the Standard: “At the moment our strongest concern is the huge level of uncertainty. We are just not clear where this is all going to land.

    “The only positive is that we can say this is not only about UK patients, it is about European patients who would be affected as well.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-a3898186.html

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    Brexit is like trying to do a brain transplant for the first time on a patient in less 2 hours,

    what could possibly go wrong, with only one scalpel and no anesthetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Brexit is like trying to do a brain transplant for the first time on a patient in less 2 hours,

    what could possibly go wrong, with only one scalpel and no anesthetic
    We turn into brainless Belgians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    We turn into brainless Belgians?
    worse, you become nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    It does seem odd that Junker can fly off to the US, talk to Trump for an hour or so then they both say some deal has been struck with no or low tariffs, but Junker cannot or will not do the same for the UK.
    The Junker/goldilocks "meeting" was a photo op in it's entirety. Subsequent to the "meeting" there was billed, announcements to be delivered at an official press conference, where normally, discussion points and possibly agreements made are listed and questions regarding the discussion points or agreements are allowed and answered.

    This time one "joint" speech by goldilocks announcing that they will get together "in the future" and discuss "ways" of "creating" a "zero trade" "agreement". Then announcing "No questions will be taken" and walking away hand in hand into the rosy sunset.

    Brexit negotiations are currently: position papers are created by either side. The two meet argue or beg to differ and they break. Back home some MSM comments are made which mean nothing. After a few months the two get back together with modified position papers, rinse and repeat. For what 2/3 years!

    Now we have calls for another referendum!!!!!

    How many referenda will it take until the "people", now armed with more misleading MSM fairy tales, choose the "correct" choice, as determined by the false opinion polls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    This should get the Remainers bristling...
    is he worried that the supply of foreigners using the NHS for free, will dry up I’d Brexit happens.

    Less pressure on NHS resources could see him out of a job.

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    the future of the UK after Brexit

    UK MPs call for social media regulation

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44967650

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    My apologies for disturbing the educated discussion in this members debating forum on important news for those whose minds still have a corner to decide England's future.



    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    They are extremely powerful, ideologically polar, and each leads an army of political, economic and administrative troops with immense resources that exist simply to fulfil their every wish, vision and command
    In theory you may be correct. On one side we unfortunately we have ongoing "discussion" regarding ameristan and China "trade". Goldilocks announces trillions of US$ sanctions. Now we have the ameristani political houses voting to defeat goldilocks:

    Defying Trump, US Senate Votes to Cut Tariffs on Hundreds of Items Made in China


    "The move is seen to run in direct conflict with the trade strategy of President Trump's cabinet, a member of which warned Thursday that the United States and the European Union would now be joining forces "in the fight against China."
    The Senate unanimously passed a bill cutting or completely eliminating tariffs on foreign-made consumer goods including toasters, industrial goods like chemicals, and about 1,660 other items, almost half of which are produced in China, Reuters has reported.

    The bill passed unanimously, with no debate. The measure, called the "miscellaneous tariff bill," has now passed in both the Senate and the House, with the two chambers now expected to resolve minor differences before sending the bill to the president's desk for signing.

    Supporters of the bill claim that the tariffs the bill removes target industries which don't even exist in the US anymore, and that removing them would boost the US economy. Beneficiaries would include companies such as Hamilton Beach, a maker of domestic appliances, which used to make its toaster ovens, irons and other goods in the USA, but now makes them abroad.

    Opponents of the bill say it would allow foreign-made goods to undermine American-made products, particularly those produced by smaller US companies.

    President Trump made it a key plank of his campaign during the 2016 election to rebuild America's industrial base and has resorted to imposing stiff tariffs on foreign-made steel and aluminum, as well as washing machines, solar panels, and other goods. The president slapped $50 billion worth of tariffs on Chinese goods in March, prompting China to threaten to curb imports of US goods such as soybeans. Canada, the European Union, and Mexico responded to Trump's steel and aluminum tariffs by targeting American agricultural goods, liquor, jeans, motorcycles, and other items."

    https://sputniknews.com/us/201807271066731615-senate-defies-trump-on-tariffs/

    https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018...e=sectionfront

    Some might suggest it's Russian fake news, which it might be. But it is easily disproved.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr4318

    What it doesn't show is "an army of political, economic and administrative troops with immense resources that exist simply to fulfil their every wish, vision and command". If true it's just the opposite.

    Unless of course goldilocks will override the democratically elected ameristani politicians with an imperial diktat.
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    Well this can't be fake news as its on the interweb.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-a3898186.html

    And here am I only worried about the price of beer when my cock could be dropping off. Those f***ing Belgians again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Brexit is like trying to do a brain transplant for the first time on a patient in less 2 hours,

    what could possibly go wrong, with only one scalpel and no anesthetic
    Depends who the patient is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orrens View Post
    Well this can't be fake news as its on the interweb.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/b...-a3898186.html

    And here am I only worried about the price of beer when my cock could be dropping off. Those f***ing Belgians again.

    Orrens
    Belgians are the least of the EU's problems. Despite all the posturing it still hasn't seeped in that on top of their awesome unaudited exes and financial obligations the EU's greedy and spiteful dictators now need to find another annual 9-10bn to cover Britain's net contribution. Oh, and that pales to the next 50-60 billions to bail out Deutsch Bank when Greece turns up with razor and begging bowl in hand, and a few more satang will need to be printed when Italy and other larger economies don hiking boots in the queue for their rightful non-repayable loans.

    The longer this thread goes on, the more convinced I am that Britain is likely though not certain to be heading down a lethal slope, yet even against those odds remains far better off without our Socialist 'friends' across the Channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    is he worried that the supply of foreigners using the NHS for free, will dry up I’d Brexit happens.

    Less pressure on NHS resources could see him out of a job.
    Since the recent Tory measures to restrict access to free NHS treatment were introduced, the majority of funds recovered have been from Brits returning from abroad.

    Incidentally, the savings made by the NHS through this charging of Brits wouldn't pay for one F35 fighter bomber.

    And the cost of the so-called health tourism to the NHS of foreigners and these dangerous returning Brits justifying the Tory cvuntish measures? Around £300 millions, just enough to buy three F35s, excluding maintenance of course.

    But that's the thing about you Switch/Chas, you think like a stupid geriatric old woman hoovering up Daily Mail propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Belgians are the least of the EU's problems. Despite all the posturing it still hasn't seeped in that on top of their awesome unaudited exes and financial obligations the EU's greedy and spiteful dictators now need to find another annual 9-10bn to cover Britain's net contribution. Oh, and that pales to the next 50-60 billions to bail out Deutsch Bank when Greece turns up with razor and begging bowl in hand, and a few more satang will need to be printed when Italy and other larger economies don hiking boots in the queue for their rightful non-repayable loans.

    The longer this thread goes on, the more convinced I am that Britain is likely though not certain to be heading down a lethal slope, yet even against those odds remains far better off without our Socialist 'friends' across the Channel.

    SA: Sorry mate, you can google to Swahili yourself.
    You truly are a defective, aren't you?

    I know this is ficking hard for you to comprehend but let's try - who knows we may get lucky.

    The annual EU budget is around £150 billions. That equates to about 1% of its combined wealth. The EU is the largest wealthiest trading bloc on the planet with 500 million of the richest consumers in the world. Britain's pissant annual contribution, the equally pissant Greek economy and the fucking Deutsch bank liabilities are not even fucking loose change down the back of the fucking sofa.

    Britain is irrelevant to the EU in any strategic terms - Brexit is a fucking speed bump to it, no more, no less.

    Now the British are finally acknowledging the reality of their idiocy and like the raggedy-arsed numpties of the 1970s they so wish to emulate they are now preparing to stockpile canned foods and fucking medicines and use the army to distribute it when the wheels fall off the Brexit jalopy, as if that will alter anything. The entire road haulage industry and road network in South East England will collapse in a fucking week and supermarkets will close, and fuel will run out everywhere.

    Three fucking million lorries travel to the Continent though the Eurotunnel and Dover in a fucking year. Just half an hour delay in embarking will have the traffic jammed all the way back to the Dartford crossing in no time.

    I really, really hope the mad cvunts Mogg and Johnson get their way and we crash out on 1/4/19.

    The EU will be laughing like fucking drains.

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    ^^^ The EU post Brexit budget plans have already been published. A combination of cost cuts and payment increase from some countries has all but been agreed. The majority of cuts are on the developmment of poor countries and poorer regions of richer ones. It's known as the cohesion budget and can easily soak up the UK contributions.

    The UK has a huge national deficit, which will look that much bigger percentagewise if gdp drops. A hard brexit will cause gdp to drop. That drop, together with increased inflation, may be a trigger for worse to come.

    The UK cannot afford the risk of a hard brexit with such a debt.
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    ^^ ...and all for what amounts to no more than 1.5% of UK expenditure, the EU contribution doesn't even register on a pie chart ffs. That's without the rebate so the UK could offer it as a white dove when asking to stay and still end up better off than the brexit alternatives.

    As for the leave capaign ads that were run on social media. The people supporting those lies should be made to pay for brexit. Farage should also forfeit all his EU earnings to me personally for being a cilly sunt with a hittable face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    But that's the thing about you Switch/Chas, you think like a stupid geriatric old woman hoovering up Daily Mail propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post

    The EU will be laughing like fucking drains.
    oh yes we will

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